Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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The big 4X thread (also unofficial patches + mods, also questions about these)

Discussion in 'Strategy Gaming' started by JarlFrank, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. Make America Great Again Agesilausgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Yep, I got it on a whim yesterday and tried playing it for an hour just now. It's been a very, very long time since I played a civ-type, but it's fun. I think it would be better game if they tightened up the time frame, and reviewed the faction selection, and tried to strengthen the theme more, but whatever. The combat is fun, research and city-development is unobtrusive, and they did an okay job with the theme of Ancient China.
     
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  2. Forkrulgender: ⚧ Novice

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    Stars in Shadow looks nice. Just hope they can implement good AI, and i will definitely buy this when it's finished.
     
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    Source: http://steamcommunity.com/games/464880/announcements/detail/536326320036081918
     
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    I was wondering what is the best sci-fi 4x one can play in 2017. I have played MoO 2 too many times. I have been playing a lot of the other genre representatives and for most of them one game was enough.

    New Master Of Orion ? Snoozefest
    Stars In Shadow ? Nice, but left me cold
    Armada 2526 Supernova ? playable / belongs to the better ones
    Lost Empires Immortals ? It has an epic scope, but that's about it
    Sword Of The Stars 1 ? Nice combat, but awful UI NAvigation and almost no planetary development
    Sword Of The Stars 2 ? Just No
    Distant Worlds ? Not my cup of tea at all
    Stellaris ? Nice to look at, but boring as heaven
    Galciv 1-3 ? Generic, okay for one playthrough
    Endless Space 1+2 ? Enjoyable / they belong to the better ones / I did replay 1 a few times

    As I was about giving up on the genre, a little gem found its way on my hard drive: Star Drive 2
    It's much more MoO-like as Stars In Shadow and the new official Master Of Orion. You can create a creative race and the races are clearly inspired by MoO. Star Ruler 2 is a big tribute to MoO, but more fun than the other titles claiming the same.

    Perhaps I lucked out with the settings for my first game, but the AI is putting up a hell of a fight and I can say I didn't have as much fun with a 4x since MoO 2. Unfortunatly the game seems to be abandoned by the (one !) developer.
    Others found it to be buggy and the AI braindead. Yes, I stumbled on some bugs, but nothing too serious, that can't be circumvented in one way or the other. Give it a try. It's the best MoO clone.
     
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  6. Galdredgender: ⚧ Generalist Patron

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    Did you mean Star Drive 2 or Star Rulers 2?
    If the former, the dev is on the codex :)
    Armada 2526 seemed to be well suited to multiplayer. My copy keeps CTD for some reason.
    I found Space Empires 4 quite fun in multiplayer. It has a Dominions 4 like battle system (but simpler) where you have to give basic orders to your units, and endless customization options. Not sure it is still played these days in MP, though, but I suppose it still is.
    I agree with most of your other assessments.
     
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  7. Miner 2049ergender: ⚧ Novice

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    I was writing about Star Drive 2. I believe I checked Star Ruler (1) for an hour and found it to be an inaccessible, uninteresting real time mess.
     
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  8. tindrligender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Space empires IV with mods and patches

    and then space empires V with patches and mods
     
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  9. tindrligender: ⚧ Arcane

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    try star ruler 2 with expansions and patches.. .its... its.. very different but if you manage to get into it.. you will find it to be complex and deep.. personaly i have it parked for years and still i install it every time i do format and shit
     
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  10. Miner 2049ergender: ⚧ Novice

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    Eventually I may give Star Ruler 2 a try (if the rivers are turning blue and the 3 moons are meeting in the zenith).

    Back to Star Drive 2, I have to say the idea of a tactical combat layer is great. Sure the implementation left a lot to be desired, that's why the expansion abolished it, but I salute the dev for trying.
    You research new weapons and modules and equip your troops and heroes with them. In combat you direct every single tooper that you have equiped to be a medic, a melee or a gunner or even a specialist that is designed to walk over toxic environment. Unfortunatley and in contrast to ships, troops don't gain XP.

    Imagine a 4x with a ground (incl. ship boarding) combat layer on the quality level of Temple Of Elemental Evil or Jagged Allience 2, where your heroes gain XP and you can choose skills from a tree on leveling up. The more RPG elements, the better. Add a little pinch of Heroes Of Might And Magic, too.
    I know there are purists thinking that has nothing to do in a 4x. For them there has to be the opportunity to auto resolve the battles, but a 4x with a great ground combat layer is not far from my dream game.
     
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  11. Make America Great Again Agesilausgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    In regards to all the chatter about Star Drive 2: why does it have so many shitty thumbs down reviews on steam, including recent ones? Outside of this thread, and maybe a review or two, it seems people disliked the game and the developer.
     
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  12. Lord Azlangender: ⚧ Arcane Patron Shitposter

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    Looking for a space 4X where interaction with aliens actually means something.

    There is a Steam sale coming up and I want to be prepared. The screenshots of aliens in the various games looks so impressive but it seems there is some sort of 4X conspiracy where alien encounters are mostly just boring.

    What am I looking for?

    I guess some story line, adventures, missions, build a federation, learn something interesting about aliens. Something Star Trek, Star Wars. Anything other than the current stalemate where aliens seem like another tool or another consideration.

    I have:

    Endless Space
    Gal Civ 2
    Space Empires IV
    Sins Trinity
    AI:WAR
    Star Ruler 1-3

    I know some of the Codexians are experts in the genre. Does this game even exist or are the templates set down by Civ set in stone?

    So what about MOO2, Star Ruler, Stellaris, Gal Civ 3, Starpoint Warlords, Stars in Shadow, The Last Federation?

    Can I get any serious 1 on 1 alien action intercourse or not?
     
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  13. Make America Great Again Agesilausgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Sounds like you want something like Star Control 2.
     
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  14. Destroidgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Try Emperor of the Fading Suns or Imperium Galactica, ground combat looks like below:
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    Star Drive 1 was complete garbage abandoned by the dev to make a sequel when he hadn't even finished the first one. Didn't even bother to look at Star Drive 2, too disgusted.



    Try Reunion.
     
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  15. Galdredgender: ⚧ Generalist Patron

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    SE4 remains the best option for space 4x Multiplayer IMO. Many 4x have cool features that the AI cannot make good use of, and are unsuitable for MP.
    SE4 has tactical combat similar to Dominions in which your fleets fight automatically according to preset "plans". It beats reading a book while waiting other players resolve their battles in Master of Orion 2 IMO.

    Unfortunately, it does not seem very active lately :(
     
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  16. tindrligender: ⚧ Arcane

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    yep.. spaceempires.net is in archival mode for more than a year :rage:
     
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