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[Valtiel]

I'm stuck on the final boss of Throne of Bhaal, I guess because my party is kinda shit (being evil): Wizard(Necromancer) - Dorn - Sarevok - Korgan - Imoen - Viconia , any advice? I reached the third phase but then i'm getting oblitarated. Why there must be 1 planetar on screen only

 

[ga♥]

I'm stuck on the final boss of Throne of Bhaal, I guess because my party is kinda shit (being evil): Wizard(Necromancer) - Dorn - Sarevok - Korgan - Imoen - Viconia , any advice? I reached the third phase but then i'm getting oblitarated. Why there must be 1 planetar on screen only

With or without ascension installed? What levels your chars are?

 

[hell bovine]

Valtiel
That's actually a very good party. Melissan has a ton of immunities, so your best bet is fighters whirlwinding her with 5+ weapons. Ironically, the best tanks in the game at this point are your wizards, due to the spell: protection from magic weapons, and Korgan. Not sure if you can rearrange your spellbooks at this point, but I'd suggest loading them up with defensive buffs like stoneskin, pfmw, spell immunity (abjuration, to counter any dispels). Once your frontline is blocking her, place Dorn and Sarevok with 2-handed 5+ weapons behind your mages and have them hit Mel with all the whirlwinds they have left. Viconia isn't very useful at this point, as much as I like her.

 

[Cael]

Valtiel
That's actually a very good party. Melissan has a ton of immunities, so your best bet is fighters whirlwinding her with 5+ weapons. Ironically, the best tanks in the game at this point are your wizards, due to the spell: protection from magic weapons, and Korgan. Not sure if you can rearrange your spellbooks at this point, but I'd suggest loading them up with defensive buffs like stoneskin, pfmw, spell immunity (abjuration, to counter any dispels). Once your frontline is blocking her, place Dorn and Sarevok with 2-handed 5+ weapons behind your mages and have them hit Mel with all the whirlwinds they have left. Viconia isn't very useful at this point, as much as I like her.

Can't Viconia summon fallen angels? Those are pretty nasty additions to the party.

 

[Krivol]

You can also replenish your spells with some wish spell IIRC, so if you spent all your mana on 2 previous stages, it is a god-send.

 

[hell bovine]

Cael
She can, but so can the other clerics, except Jaheira and Anomen can also fight, and Aerie is a literal spell spam bot at this point.

 

[ga♥]

I never found the need for the "wish abuse" thing until Ascension tbqh. The last fight in the vanilla game should be pretty doable by any party. I don't know about Dorn though.

The guy should give more info about his gear/level and what not.

 

[Cael]

Cael
She can, but so can the other clerics, except Jaheira and Anomen can also fight, and Aerie is a literal spell spam bot at this point.

We need to work with what he has. I was just pointing out that Viconia isn't completely useless. She can still contribute with the right spells/abilities.

 

[Dzupakazul]

I'm stuck on the final boss of Throne of Bhaal, I guess because my party is kinda shit (being evil): Wizard(Necromancer) - Dorn - Sarevok - Korgan - Imoen - Viconia , any advice? I reached the third phase but then i'm getting oblitarated. Why there must be 1 planetar on screen only

My friend, you have a party with 2 arcane spellcasters and three top-tier martials including Sarevok's Deathbringer Assault letting you bruteforce encounters if you're persistent enough (200-400 damage strike can suddenly win you any fight). A "vanilla" evil party (just the original BG2 evil NPCs and maybe a wild-card Neutral or the Neutral-Good-But-Actually-Don't-Care-Imoen) is one of the most cookie cutter power composition, as the NPCs have great stats, good kits and are generally solid, if not absolutely outstanding.
Viconia is great too, you just have to keep in mind that she's best as a support / damage soak right now. All that magic resist she has means that you can let her just soak damage, there's a belt to get her to 18 CON, and a plethora of Cleric buffs to make her untouchable. Just make her catch aggro, regular AI doesn't really care if Viconia will hit the enemy or not. If you want Vicky to deal damage, give her a Sling of Seeking and buff her STR to 25 using Clerical spells (20+ damage with each bullet, and Vicky has high innate DEX) or just conjure Energy Blades. Yes, Clerics are way past their power spike, but you still want them for the Deva and immunities, most importantly to level drain, but she can also cure poison if needed (Mariliths deal poisonous attacks).
IMHO you probably need to just dispel the defenses as they appear (Breach, Spell Thrust, Secret Word, Lower Resist, there's a wand of Ruby Ray of Reversal at some point, etc.) - you need to do that, for instance, against the Mariliths, because they like to use Protection from Magic Weapons on top of their own natural immunity to normal weapons, so until you stack up your dispel game, you can't hurt shit. Use every single consumable you can possibly need, and don't shy away from using any and all wands.
You have a heavy martial party / frontliner, so IMHO you should just focus on making sure they can cut through stuff by dispelling shit. Martial DPS is the best DPS in the game, you just have to enable it.
Also use Khelben's Warding Whip on tougher things because it makes sure recasting defenses doesn't work.
Once Amelissan shows up you should go full speed ahead on destroying her. Again, use Viconia to draw away her escort if you need to, with enough buffing and natural magic resistance she can last for longer than you give credit for - she doesn't need to do damage, she just needs to soak. Three fighters with Greater Whirlwind should hack Amelissan to pieces. Stack Hardiness on your fighters to help beeline for the kill. Use your Rod of Resurrection instead of wasting time on healing spells during the fight, it's virtually an instant heal for anyone who wasn't chunked. Either of your mages can also, actually, help the frontline by simply soaking damage with PfMW, in case you run out of spell slots (use Project Image / Simulacrum to preserve them!) and ideas.
Time Stop doesn't work, so don't use it, it is no use in a party environment.

tl;dr: SHE CALLED DOWN THAT THUNDER, NOW LET HER REAP THE IMPROVED WHIRLWIND

 

[ga♥]

I akschually think Adalon was a lot harder than Melissandre (without cheese like a single guy party playthrough).

 

[Grunker]

The question is whether you're on Ascension/SCS. That can make the fight difficult. Though I still think one of if not the toughest fights in the entire saga is SCS'ed BG1 end battle. God fucking damn that fight is some bullshit without optimised party. It's not that hard if you use un-SCS'd Protection From Magic scrolls to kill Angelo and Semaj, but if you don't, it's tough as balls.

 

[ga♥]

Never played with SCS but in BG1 you can just "invisibility potion", backstab Sarevok, "invisibility potion", backstab again, repeat, and that's it.
Unmodded BG1/BG2 I stand with Adalon as the hardest one, otherwise Ascension battle vs the Five (especially mofo Baalthazar in the EE version of the mod).

 

[hell bovine]

I'm stuck on the final boss of Throne of Bhaal, I guess because my party is kinda shit (being evil): Wizard(Necromancer) - Dorn - Sarevok - Korgan - Imoen - Viconia , any advice? I reached the third phase but then i'm getting oblitarated. Why there must be 1 planetar on screen only

including Sarevok's Deathbringer Assault letting you bruteforce encounters if you're persistent enough (200-400 damage strike can suddenly win you any fight).

Mel might be immune to it, actually.

edit: Considering her list of immunities is very long, another trick to try would be a fighter whirlwinding on her with the answerer sword, followed by horrid wilting spam from the mages.

 

[Grunker]

Never played with SCS but in BG1 you can just "invisibility potion", backstab Sarevok, "invisibility potion", backstab again, repeat, and that's it.

Trying real hard not to be snarky here, but that reply is like saying "dunno about getting an A but you can get an F just by handing in a blank piece of paper!"

In SCS, you can't damage Sarevok at all until you kill all of his lieutenants:

1. Diarmid, an archer in a Protection From Magic bubble.

2. Tazok, standard Fighter that drinks a shitton of potions.

3. Angelo, Fighter/Mage level 12.

4. Semaj, Mage level 12.

When you kill each of them, they generate an AoE-like Flamestrike-effect and spawn a Skeleton Warrior.

So yeah, invisibilty potions aren't really gonna cut it*

*though is a valid part of a strat if you're soloing. The fight is sort easier if you're soloing, actually.

Unmodded BG1/BG2 I stand with Adalon as the hardest one, otherwise Ascension battle vs the Five (especially mofo Baalthazar in the EE version of the mod).

Which is why I'm saying the question is whether he's on SCS or Ascension or both or not. If he is, the standard advice isn't gonna cut it.

 

[razvedchiki]

The question is whether you're on Ascension/SCS. That can make the fight difficult. Though I still think one of if not the toughest fights in the entire saga is SCS'ed BG1 end battle. God fucking damn that fight is some bullshit without optimised party. It's not that hard if you use un-SCS'd Protection From Magic scrolls to kill Angelo and Semaj, but if you don't, it's tough as balls.

that battle was impossible to win for me with scs because sarevok was unkillable due to a bug (he went near dead but didnt die}.i had to revert to console cheat to kill him.

 

[Grunker]

The question is whether you're on Ascension/SCS. That can make the fight difficult. Though I still think one of if not the toughest fights in the entire saga is SCS'ed BG1 end battle. God fucking damn that fight is some bullshit without optimised party. It's not that hard if you use un-SCS'd Protection From Magic scrolls to kill Angelo and Semaj, but if you don't, it's tough as balls.

that battle was impossible to win for me with scs because sarevok was unkillable due to a bug (he went near dead but didnt die}.i had to revert to console cheat to kill him.

They fixed that since. I can win the fight with an optimised or OK party but with shitty parties I have to use Protection from Magic. Need to git gud I suppose

 

[razvedchiki]

the bug was with the latest scs version (31),or one of his captains was still alive and invisible.

 

[Krivol]

The question is whether you're on Ascension/SCS. That can make the fight difficult. Though I still think one of if not the toughest fights in the entire saga is SCS'ed BG1 end battle. God fucking damn that fight is some bullshit without optimised party. It's not that hard if you use un-SCS'd Protection From Magic scrolls to kill Angelo and Semaj, but if you don't, it's tough as balls.

that battle was impossible to win for me with scs because sarevok was unkillable due to a bug (he went near dead but didnt die}.i had to revert to console cheat to kill him.

I had the same bug with last Irenicus fight in unmodded BG 2 - unmodded, but heavily edited with Shadowkeeper. Maybe some script was broken?

 

[Grunker]

the bug was with the latest scs version (31),or one of his captains was still alive and invisible.

Weird - I had the bug in 29 and it was discussed in a forum thread and fixed - I even got a hotfix for it.

Are you sure it isn't the last part? Because in my current playthrough that actually happened to me and was like "huh I thought they fixed that." But no: Semaj just has a tendency to go invisible and hide in a corner if you expend his spells. Probably to force you to detect him. Either that or his script breaks if the fight goes on for a million rounds (which this one has a tendency to) and he becomes inactive.

 

[ga♥]

edit: Considering her list of immunities is very long, another trick to try would be a fighter whirlwinding on her with the answerer sword, followed by horrid wilting spam from the mages.

Just use a Lower magic resistance flavored spell. Much more efficent than using the Answerer. She uses most of the time that cloak spell that makes her immune to +4 weapons anyway.

 

[ga♥]

Trying real hard not to be snarky here, but that reply is like saying "dunno about getting an A but you can get an F just by handing in a blank piece of paper!"

Interesting reply. Though if you we take mods in the equation I am pretty sure someone made something even harder.

 

[Grunker]

Sigh. My point wasn't to beat my chest over a video game it was to point out that you were replying to a statement with something completely irrelevant to said statement

(And if there's a more difficult version of BG1's final fight I don't know about it and I doubt it could be beat without cheese - whereas SCS encounters are always beatable with fair and square play)

 

[Valtiel]

Thanks for all the suggestions, i'm on vanilla game btw, it's my very first playthrough and i'm lame at it. The thing is my party is underleveled (my pc is lvl 21, imoen 22, the other guys range from 22 to 24) and not equipped well (even tough tanks are equipped with
+5 swords and decent armors), because I had to rush this final part of the game and also I got a little bit tired tbh. Anyway i've mastered phase 1 and 2 of Amelyssan and I manage to beat her without wasting useful spells, and I also arrive at that point with 2 wishes for the two mages, but anyway when this phase start I get RECKT everytime, I feel like it's just too much, she teleport right after summoning a lot of fuckers, my party get disbanded while following her and at that point she just start spamming a ton of other beasts and time stop just to fuck with me, when the tanks arrive to her it's just all too messed up and the minions basically kill Sarevok and Dorn right after. I feel my Korgan it isn't being effective as it should, viconia feels not that useful, also fuck Imoen.

My only option I guess is to go back, try to complete some unfinished business, level up a bit and find a proper equipment for all party members, but I'm getting bored

 

[Grunker]

Thanks for all the suggestions, i'm on vanilla game btw, it's my very first playthrough and i'm lame at it. The thing is my party is underleveled (my pc is lvl 21, imoen 22, the other guys range from 22 to 24) and not equipped well (even tough tanks are equipped with
+5 swords and decent armors), because I had to rush this final part of the game and also I got a little bit tired tbh. Anyway i've mastered phase 1 and 2 of Amelyssan and I manage to beat her without wasting useful spells, and I also arrive at that point with 2 wishes for the two mages, but anyway when this phase start I get RECKT everytime, I feel like it's just too much, she teleport right after summoning a lot of fuckers, my party get disbanded while following her and at that point she just start spamming a ton of other beasts and time stop just to fuck with me, when the tanks arrive to her it's just all too messed up and the minions basically kill Sarevok and Dorn right after. I feel my Korgan it isn't being effective as it should, viconia feels not that useful, also fuck Imoen.

My only option I guess is to go back, try to complete some unfinished business, level up a bit and find a proper equipment for all party members, but I'm getting bored

I recall winning that fight back when I still played Vanilla by using Hardiness and then spamming Whirlwind + Energy Blades, running from the trash she summons and focusing solely on her. Probably seems obvious but did you try that?

Also, what do you mean by shit gear? If you've got Cespenar-upgraded +5 weapons on your frontline, the rest shouldn't be that crucial on Vanilla.

 

[ga♥]

Did you do watcher's keep?