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Severian Silk
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What about n00b?
Jinn
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Well, if your translation is better maybe you should consider saving it to a text file or something so that it might turn into an unofficial patch one day. You know, in the name of Incline?
Nostaljaded
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你跟姓段的两个家伙 - this probably refers to just 'you and that Duan guy' if you have read/watched 'Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils' (天龙八部).
Duan Yu usually does his wooing missions alone.
If the wind blows your way and circumstances allow, you could pick up a game translation project. It's well done. :D
Duan Yu usually does his wooing missions alone.
If the wind blows your way and circumstances allow, you could pick up a game translation project. It's well done. :D
Nostaljaded
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It's largely due to this game material source is a compilation of many wuxia novels...
Translator(s) need to be acquainted with Jin Yong's major works and then use their official English names if available.
Also without the whole script on hand, translator(s) will have trouble referencing who's who.
Translating standalone/first-in-the-series-to-be-translated games would have been much easier.
Chaotic_Heretic
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One of the best Chinese translations i know of is of a webnovel I shall seal the Heavens ...and thats by a fan.
Officials just have to meet their targets so they spew some shit. elminage original usa ver for psp had absolute shit translation and it only got retranslated in the eu version and even that is spotty at best.
Nostaljaded
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It's all up to your own individual standard & discretion to release in whatever state the translation is. As a fan translator, you are (technically) accountable to no one.
Agreed for games translation, especially in non-established games/franchises.oasis789 said:
I have more faith for sponsored/paid-translation on books & novels doing a decent job though, as story coherence & fluid mental images are solely conveyed through/critiqued based on their written form.
Not to mention the translator's name is prominently displayed on the cover. Their future livelihood depends on the quality of their existing published works.
sooooooo i began playing this game due to a rec from Lhynn but it doesn't recognize my keyboard.
BTW, I played almost 40 mins before I realized the game didn't recognize my KB, I just assumed since it is chinty chink ware that they just are shit at coding or whatever... POINT IS that from the intro/beginning stuff I played the translation is fucking fine.
I think the people who complain about its translation are probably the types who think changing FF6 Terra's name back to the inferior "Tina" is a good thing because it is "more accurate". Those people are fucking cancer.
BTW, I played almost 40 mins before I realized the game didn't recognize my KB, I just assumed since it is chinty chink ware that they just are shit at coding or whatever... POINT IS that from the intro/beginning stuff I played the translation is fucking fine.
I think the people who complain about its translation are probably the types who think changing FF6 Terra's name back to the inferior "Tina" is a good thing because it is "more accurate". Those people are fucking cancer.
oasis789
google-translation of extracted dialog files from this game show me already how badly the game was translated. yes, i am actually saying that a simple google-translation produces better results than the translation currently in the game (tales of wuxia).
...do i think this is something to stress over? not really. if we were talking about something on the level of a Torment, then absolutely i would never want anyone to play through a bad translation. however this is not Torment-level storytelling. i'm fine with (shitty story/writing) games being shoddily translated, since we're all here for the gameplay, not bad chinese fan-fiction.
(and this game's gameplay seems to be very good).
i don't think machine translation should EVER be used for "dialog", it completely butchers everything, ESPECIALLY when dealing with pictographic languages like chinese/japanese.
but in this specific case... it would've produced better results, and that's saying something.
so yeah, you are right, the translation is atrocious.
google-translation of extracted dialog files from this game show me already how badly the game was translated. yes, i am actually saying that a simple google-translation produces better results than the translation currently in the game (tales of wuxia).
...do i think this is something to stress over? not really. if we were talking about something on the level of a Torment, then absolutely i would never want anyone to play through a bad translation. however this is not Torment-level storytelling. i'm fine with (shitty story/writing) games being shoddily translated, since we're all here for the gameplay, not bad chinese fan-fiction.
(and this game's gameplay seems to be very good).
i don't think machine translation should EVER be used for "dialog", it completely butchers everything, ESPECIALLY when dealing with pictographic languages like chinese/japanese.
but in this specific case... it would've produced better results, and that's saying something.
so yeah, you are right, the translation is atrocious.
because MCA told us in several interviews that "video game writing" is a complete joke and full of bad writers.
seriously tho, i'm not arguing anything here. I agree with you that the translation is horrible, and I meremly wanted to take the opportunity this game's horrible translation offers to give you an irrefutable example of machine translation being better than bad human translation.
that is all. I think machine translation is probably the best thing to ever happen to us RPGers, because as it keeps getting better and better and more sophistacted, EVENTUALLY none of us will ever be unable to enjoy a game due to language barriers.
my other point is: in the end, if a GOOD GAME (like this one) is ONLY playable with a bad translation, then yes, i am very thankful that it at least received its shoddy translation because now I get to play it.
I actually like getting my literature from books, not from games. I like games because they have gameplay, not words.
next time they really should just use Google tho.
seriously tho, i'm not arguing anything here. I agree with you that the translation is horrible, and I meremly wanted to take the opportunity this game's horrible translation offers to give you an irrefutable example of machine translation being better than bad human translation.
that is all. I think machine translation is probably the best thing to ever happen to us RPGers, because as it keeps getting better and better and more sophistacted, EVENTUALLY none of us will ever be unable to enjoy a game due to language barriers.
my other point is: in the end, if a GOOD GAME (like this one) is ONLY playable with a bad translation, then yes, i am very thankful that it at least received its shoddy translation because now I get to play it.
I actually like getting my literature from books, not from games. I like games because they have gameplay, not words.
next time they really should just use Google tho.
Jinn
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I wouldn't mind so much about the translation if there wasn't SOOOO much text in this game. The game is, like, 40% text. Particularly in the martial arts simulator part of the game. Not only that, but the setting is very interesting to me and I wish I could get a little more immersed in it.
so, i googled the no-keyboard thing turns out the game was hooking into my plugged-in Arcade Stick, LOL.
apparently they forgot to make the game hook first into keyboards, and instead it hooks into whatever device it first recognizes.
was p. funny.
so, since i can now actually play the game i will periodically continue posting here about:
- my playthrough
- the hilarious translation (i'll take screenshots).
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Lhynn
would you mind giving me some tips/advice for char-gen?
apparently they forgot to make the game hook first into keyboards, and instead it hooks into whatever device it first recognizes.
was p. funny.
so, since i can now actually play the game i will periodically continue posting here about:
- my playthrough
- the hilarious translation (i'll take screenshots).
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Lhynn
would you mind giving me some tips/advice for char-gen?
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Press Space to reroll.
Lhynn
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Yeah, dont worry about stats, just aim to get the 3 talents you want down, and a decent amount of comprehension and hp if you got the patience, if not it doesnt matter, there are items that increase it permanently and you can play minigames to get them close to endgame.
There are ways to become OP no matter what you pick, like chopping your dick off to learn the martial art of the eunuchs.
Romancing a girl successfully gives decent rewards, but nothing there is essential, so skip them if you dont care for them tho your relationship with different characters does have a bearing in how the game plays out.
Finally the third talent, good or evil approaches are not good, best go with the leading brother one, grants a higher bonus to damage when maxed than the other two, and it doesnt condition how you play in any way.
There are ways to become OP no matter what you pick, like chopping your dick off to learn the martial art of the eunuchs.
Romancing a girl successfully gives decent rewards, but nothing there is essential, so skip them if you dont care for them tho your relationship with different characters does have a bearing in how the game plays out.
Finally the third talent, good or evil approaches are not good, best go with the leading brother one, grants a higher bonus to damage when maxed than the other two, and it doesnt condition how you play in any way.
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And that's how you fail to live up to the default surname of Dongfang.
lhyn, well of course... taoism (from which confucianism and buddhism took their cues) is alllllll very much about being enlightened through solitary existence, meditative reflection, and of course the big one: never imposing oneself upon the world.
confucious took the cool stuff from taoism and bent it to fit chinese society, and then buddhism is of course very much a copy/paste of hinduism.
the concept of a solitary man attaining the best sword skill fits very well into all 3 of those. Any fool wasting their time doing silly things like chopping off body parts in order to fit into someone else's mold (the eunich faction), or something equally dumb like taking pleasure in mundane stuff like love, could NEVER hope to attain "enlightenment".
speaking of tao, btw, my favorite proverb of lao tzu is:
- he who preaches tao, does not follow tao.
it's the ultimate troll! :D
confucious took the cool stuff from taoism and bent it to fit chinese society, and then buddhism is of course very much a copy/paste of hinduism.
the concept of a solitary man attaining the best sword skill fits very well into all 3 of those. Any fool wasting their time doing silly things like chopping off body parts in order to fit into someone else's mold (the eunich faction), or something equally dumb like taking pleasure in mundane stuff like love, could NEVER hope to attain "enlightenment".
speaking of tao, btw, my favorite proverb of lao tzu is:
- he who preaches tao, does not follow tao.
it's the ultimate troll! :D
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