Takedown: Red Sabre, aka "Hardcore Tactical Shooter"

[Zed]

Oh, that was actually the real photographer - he posted here now:
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/photojournalism-sports-gallery/241495-swat-team-action.html

Soooo...
This is fun.

EDIT: Fuck I'm like a second late with everything!
Oh this is gold:

Actually, it's not a photoshopped photograph on that artwork. It was very accurately redrawn into picture, and I'm not sure it is violation of copyright...

 

[Stabwound]

I've never been one for trolling, but I find this whole thing pretty comical. It's interesting to see people try to apologize for the plagiarism and showing people how the images are ripped off is written it off as someone trying to ruin the game on them. I really want this kickstarter to fail, because it will surely be a shit stain on the whole concept if it does happen to get funded.

Apparently the images are done by "respected freelance concept artist" Charles Gaun and maybe this kickstarter guy really doesn't know he got ripped off by the guy who just plagiarized some google images. I would be surprised if a real "respected freelance concept artist" would be stupid enough to risk his career by ripping off copyrighted images.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

My feelings while reading this latest news:

Slightly less funny than Bioware retardation because shit like this tarnishes the positive Kickstarter vibe, whereas Bioware being stupid just hurts themselves. Still, I guess it's better that they flame out without getting funded instead of taking the money and running.

 

[felipepepe]

I've never been one for trolling, but I find this whole thing pretty comical. It's interesting to see people try to apologize for the plagiarism and try to write it off as someone trying to ruin the game on them. I really want this kickstarter to fail, because it will surely be a shit stain on the whole concept if it does happen to get funded.

Apparently the images are done by "respected freelance concept artist" Charles Gaun and maybe this kickstarter guy really doesn't know he got ripped off by the guy who just plagiarized some google images. I would be surprised if a real "respected freelance concept artist" would be stupid enough to risk his career by ripping off copyrighted images.

Just apparently, but I really doubt it. Just look at all his other concept arts:

Even if he used actual pics as reference, all his work ARE paintings, not just photoshop filters.

 

[Angthoron]

Hmm, with this level of PR they might actually get those 100K in a day.

 

[MetalCraze]

For me it's sad because nowadays these guys are trying to represent the genre I love so much

 

[Infinitron]

CEO is paranoid: http://www.serellan.com/forums/inde...why-havent-the-mainstream-press-covered-this/

Aside from Kotaku, who do their own thing, why hasn't there been a news article on IGN, or Gamespy, or Gamespot...even though almost 2500 people have donated close to $90,000. Seems like there might be a reason.

Interesting to think about.

EDIT: Skyway detected in that thread!!

 

[PorkaMorka]

I honestly don't see what's wrong with using photoshop and stock images for making concept art. It's not like they're going to submit that shit to an art exhibition.

I kind of agree, because his concept for the game appears to be "swat team guys with guns" and that is what the photoshopped images showed. It almost seems like you don't need to bother with concept art for a game about a topic this mundane. Why bother drawing a swat team guy when there are hundreds of photos already available (just try to get one that you have the right to use).

Of course, it still makes him look really bad to use this poorly photoshopped art in his pitch to get people to give him money.

At this point he should just admit that this idea was a mistake and close it down before he hurts his career (even more).

 

[Angthoron]

Eh, I'm starting to think it's a desperate move type of a marketing event. It'll get them the press attention necessary to get to 200K.

 

[Infinitron]

Looks like CEO has some kind of feud with CliffyB. Clearly he's not the savviest of diplomats. Or he's paranoid.

soultron, on 27 March 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:
GRFS doesn't look terrible. Is it really our job to go into comments sections and try to force people into liking the concept when their mind is 99% closed to the idea?

I think it's a waste of time, personally. It's more important to get as much exposure as possible. One thing you could try is getting Cliff Blezinski to tweet this for us; he's a nice guy who always tries to help out when he sees something good. I know it's the Gears audience, but I'm sure there's some tactical people in that mix.

We've gotta stay positive and spread the love!

I wasn't saying that GRFS or COD next are bad (remember, with someone dumping cold ######ing water on me I still said COD is a great game), but they aren't tactical shooters anymore....intel grenades? Force Shields?

Oh, and...

FYI, Cliff is not going to tweet anything I do.

soultron, on 27 March 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:
Why not try? It's free.

I've seen Cliff #FF people who asked who were junior programmers and such who just got into the industry -- because they asked. I'm sure if you sent him a DM asking nicely, he'd tweet a link for you.

If you're not going to bother, I will.

I think that (re)educating dissenters in the Kotaku comments section will be very hard seeing as there are no in-game assets to show them yet. These people aren't going to care (yet), so why are you stressing yourself out trying to get them to be part of your audience? These are the types who might come around later when they have something to try. They'll realise how awesome tactical shooters are when they're given the chance to play one.


I encourage you to try. I just don't expect Cliff to endorse anything that CHRISTIAN ALLEN does...

 

[MetalCraze]

COD aren't tactical shooters anymore?

 

[felipepepe]

Paintovers is not the same as using a reference. Even if you do use a reference it should just be for proportion. If there's no extra character to it of any kind you are a terrible artist, a ripoff. These are obvious paintovers because they are too good in some ways and not good enough in others.

They are too correct but got no heart, got no soul. Notice that any paint effects just blur it and make it worse, but if it were artistic ie he had good enough hands to make it that real he'd also be good enough to make it pop off the page in a way a photo usually can't.

True, bad wording on my part. Still the point stands, either the guy cheated on them or it isn't his work.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

The fact that he put this much effort into the mockups, the first thing that people will notice, says how much he thinks about his target audience.

Thankfully the codex is ready to fight for the oppressed fps gamers and their wallets, worn from buying too many fps games in the past decade

 

[Metro]

For me it's sad because nowadays these guys are trying to represent the genre I love so much

It's called karma, bro.

 

[Ulminati]

For me it's sad because nowadays these guys are trying to represent the genre I love so much

It would've been a bsb popamole corridor shooter anyway.

 

[MapMan]

Whatever. I kinda want those guys to reach 200k. Worst case scenario is that nothing will ever get released. Best case scenario is that we get a really good game.

Obviously, I won't donate a cent to the cause.

 

[felipepepe]

Worst case scenario is that nothing will ever get released.

Worst case scenario they can't find a publisher to finance the project and all those 200k from donators disapear, leaving a huge stain on kickstarter and will always being mentioned as "what if they end up like tactical shooter?"...

 

[MetalCraze]

Kickstarter is already a stain on itself.

Sheeple blindly giving money to anyone who says the right words, no matter how dirty his dossier is - even when there is no proof the game even exists in his mind.

 

[LordDenton]

Kickstarter is already a stain on itself.

Sheeple blindly giving money to anyone who says the right words, no matter how dirty his dossier is - even when there is no proof the game even exists in his mind.

So what do you suggest we do, Skyway? Do nothing and hope for the best?

I pledged $15 for Wasteland 2, hoping for something in same vein as the older Fallouts simply because there is no other means for them to be created. Publishers won't invest in them, and indies don't have either the financial or creative capabilities to make them.

Kickstarter allows us to fund the game (we are taking the risk that publishers typically take), thus solving the financial issue. And there is no question about the creative capability and skill of the team, since it's composed of people who worked on the original Wasteland and Fallouts. Hell, even if they don't deliver (highly unlikely), they can take that $15 as a thank you for creating the original Fallout.

 

[Destroid]

Kickstarter is already a stain on itself.

Sheeple blindly giving money to anyone who says the right words, no matter how dirty his dossier is - even when there is no proof the game even exists in his mind.

It's not so hard to tell what projects have a good chance of success and which are doomed to failure. This one was obviously doomed from the start.

 

[Ulminati]

Well isn't that Skyway in a nutshell though? Whine about the decline, dismiss any possibility of an incline as the dreams of sheeple, torrent the results off pirate bay so the devs don't get rewarded if they follow through and proclaim the game "banalshotboring" to score edginess points?

 

[Angthoron]

Hmmm, they seem to have TAKEN DOWN the CONCEPT ARTS.

 

[Oesophagus]

They are probably hard at work right now, going to the 40th - 50th page of google images, to lessen the chance of someone finding what they photoshop this time

Anyway, with their self righteous attitude and vague conception of a generic shooter, I'm thinking that not only won't this get funded, they may end up owing money to other people

 

[SCO]

Apparently the images are done by "respected freelance concept artist" Charles Gaun and maybe this kickstarter guy really doesn't know he got ripped off by the guy who just plagiarized some google images. I would be surprised if a real "respected freelance concept artist" would be stupid enough to risk his career by ripping off copyrighted images.

Why not, if bioware did it.

 

[Ulminati]

With any luck, this faceplant of a kickstarter will be rubbed in the face of every consoletard developer who wants to do a generic gunporn game for the next couple of years.