Decline Sword Coast Legends Pre-Release Thread

[Ebonsword]

...the DM uses her "threat level" to...

so the dm is a woman utilizing her threat level?

HAHAHA!! Like a woman is ever going to DM. We all now that any chicks that play are just going to be the party healer.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

HAHAHA!! Like a woman is ever going to DM. We all now that any chicks that play are just going to be the party healer.

{insert pre-buffer joke here}

 

[imweasel]

The general lack of clarity or focus that's been inadvertently communicated is staggering.
Take a look at their boards. You will find every variety of rube there claiming that the game will be everything from BG3 to PoR5 to Diablo4. Meanwhile the devs sit around circle-jerking about how they can't reveal any system mechanics or details (you know, the actual GAME part of the game they just announced) yet, but they're in tune with their fans and yadayadayadabarf.

I don't know why I'm so bitter about this shit. I guess it's mostly just due to getting burned by "RPG" developers/publishers the past decade-plus, but at this point, fuck anyone who tries to exploit muh nostalgia by slapping brands/settings I loved as a kid onto their product.

This.

The lack of information is very annoying. They announced SCL with a trailer and that was it, we have had nearly no information about the game at all since then. It is almost like they are trying to hide something (which they probably are).

Nobody truly knows what the fuck they are making.

 

[eremita]

Can Sword Coast Legends Bring Left 4 Dead to Dungeons & Dragons?

Are they sick in the head??

L4D?

There died my hopes for this game.

Are you guys retarded? What exactly is wrong the video, can you tell me? Or is just codex acting a like hysteric cunt again. So the game allow DM to throw shit on players in real time and two IGN idiots, because they only fuck around with shit games, say it's like L4D but imagine human throw zombies at you... They said that because, you know, their retarded audience... But when it comes to actual information about the Swordcoast Legends, it has been only said there are mechanics for DM to influence the game in real time. So if your hopes died for this game NOW (sure, it might turn out as shit in the end), then it has nothing to do with the game...

 

[getter77]

Well, GDC only has a bit more left in it---so they'll have no excuse not to get info out there on all matter of things shortly.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Stuff is starting to come out of GDC now. Another preview:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/sword-coast...-gate-with-the-director-of-dragon-age-origins

still nothing on the underlying mechanics though

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

 

[Bubbles]

Different damage types, multiple weapon sets, spell scrolls, limited inventory. Looks convincingly non-casual to me.

 

[Trodat]

Looks a lot like DA:O except modified colours, etc.

Actually Origins had a more pleasant style but the layout is very similiar

 

[FuriousGamer87]

Class Wizard
Lvl 6
HP 267


Ok..........

Also, +2 Longsword.... in 5E DnD ......

 

[Xenich]

Yep, looks like a typical console game.

 

[Bubbles]

Class Wizard
Lvl 6
HP 267

Expressing hp and damage as high values makes it easier to fine tune damage numbers, modifiers and multipliers. PoE is doing the same thing.

 

[AbounI]

I'm not familiar with the 5th edition, but a lvl6 wizard with 267HP is in my opinion excessive.We're far from a 6D4 (with a consitution adjustement) of the earlier rules.Wonder how many HP can have a barbarian at the same lvl.

 

[Xenich]

I'm not familiar with the 5th edition, but a lvl6 wizard with 267HP is in my opinion excessive.We're far from a 6D4 (with a consitution adjustement) of the earlier rules.Wonder how many HP can have a barbarian at the same lvl.

That, and how many rounds does it take for combat? I mean, in a video game the fight taking a bit (action based) is fine, but too many rounds in a PnP/turn based game gets a bit silly. "Ok guys, just 15 more rounds and we can take the NPC down!"

 

[Bubbles]

I believe the ability cooldowns will all be expressed in seconds, so speaking of "rounds" would really be going a bit too far.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Just remind me how many HP did a lvl6 wizard have in DA:O

 

[Xenich]

I believe the ability cooldowns will all be expressed in seconds, so speaking of "rounds" would really be going a bit too far.

I guess it makes sense in an action game.

 

[Trodat]

Immunities confirmed.

 

[Grunker]

HP 3320

"adapted from D&D 5E"

it's like that thing Grunker was talking about

 

[Necroscope]

WTF is this console scrolley shit, where's my classic inventory?

 

[Copper]

Rules are fundamentally the arbitrary judge in games like physics are in real life. If I play in a game and a GM "fudges" a roll, it's basically the same as that GM changing the rules to go easy on me or alternative change the rules because I did too well. It's like switching from Hard to Easy because I can't handle it, or vice versa. We agreed that the world works in such-and-such a way, but suddenly the world works differently because it's more convenient? Fudged rolls are to rule-heavy P&P what deus ex machina are to literature.

A GM "fudging" a roll is like an invisible hand or awesome button gently guiding me through a video game.

Rules are the one thing in P&P that needs 100% clarity and adherence from both players and GM, otherwise what's the point in simulating the experience at all? You can change the rules of course, edit them however you'd like, even play games with no rules at all, if it's just about story and player interaction with that. But if you agree to adhere to a common structure, deviating from it because "it'd make for a better story" or somesuch convenience is the number one destroyer of any immersion for me.

The key aspect of P&P is player interaction with a GM construct. If the rules are not set in stone once agreed upon, then the player interaction is nullified. GM manipulation with rules is negation of player influence.

(If everyone in the group agrees to throw that influence to the wind and prioritize convenience over the simulation, then fair enough - you should do whatever works for you. This does not change the objective fact that manipulation is negation, though, and you need to be aware of that. For my part I would not enjoy playing in such a game.)

Sounds almost simulationist...

Not that that's where you're going, but that's actually the 'good' side to simulationist rhetoric. A fair deal between GM and player enforced by the rules, taken to the extreme that you should be able to burn down the wizard's tower instead of having an epic fight just because the GM thinks it's more awesome that way.

The bad side tends to be 'I know more about this than you, so I should be able to do what I want/this is shit.'

 

[prodigydancer]

where's my classic inventory?

Are you sure they know what it is?

 

[LeStryfe79]

That threat level stuff will get removed. Or at least an option will exist to ignore it.

 

[imweasel]

Spoiler

@SwordCoast getting some love in the #xbox @XboxP3 keynote. #GDC2015

hey guys, I bet you can hardly wait to play Sword Coast Legends on your mother fucking XBOX ONE!!! Hell fuckin' yeah! Gonna mash them buttons.

Spoiler

EDIT: Okay, um, no console play. My Bad.

@jorge_paulo_jr @SwordCoast @XboxP3 not cross play. Just Windows 10. Sorry Jorge.

 

[Shannow]

HP 3320

"adapted from D&D 5E"

it's like that thing Grunker was talking about

Perhaps I should have made the "What kind of HP system do you guys like?"-poll after all... But it's too much effort and I don't really care :/

Anyway, in general I think the first question should be "Is this better or worse than D&D standard." Instead of claiming that every deviation is automatically worse.

Possible advantages of high HP schemes (though I personally don't like them. And with GW2 I know a practical example where I didn't like it...):
You can give the players small goodies. EG, quest rewards that add permanently 10 HP or so, without being game breaking. You can give low-lvl chars magical equipment without it having a huge effect. You can also permanently reduce their HP in a C&C style quest without gimping them.
And if dmg values are increased as much as HP, there is not real difference. (Though that pic with 5 dmg suggests differently.)