Editorial Swen Vincke on why Larian isn't making Facebook games

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Swen Vincke of Larian Studios has updated his blog with an entry called Seeking the Golden Path. A journalist got Swen to think about low budget vs. high budget, and why Larian has chosen to remain in the AAA-playing field. Why are they afraid of switching to a low budget market? Here's why:

Oversimplifying and slightly misrepresenting things, this reasoning is what lead to the following business strategies being implemented in the past: Quality of X360 too high for you? No problem, make a DS game. Quality too high there too? Try making an Iphone game. Can’t manage that either? Well how about HTML5 ? That getting too crowded? Perhaps it’s time for a serious game? Too tough a market? Have you tried gamifcation? Etc…

I’m only half-kidding, because the track records of many developers who disappeared from that big game-industry-map they send around each year (which doesn’t include Larian for some stupid reason), indeed show that several of them followed the strategy sketched here, and then perished…

Faced with more complicated and thus more expensive development as a result of technological innovation, the survival strategy these developers adopted was to look for the path of least resistance, preferably in growing markets, in the vain hope of making it big there. Admittedly, this worked for some, typically the pioneers, but in most cases it didn’t work at all, especially when inevitably the competition in those markets started increasing.

Larian did exactly the opposite last time we had a generation shift. Instead of turning our eyes to simpler things, we decided to go full monty and dived blindfolded into next-gen-console-development-hell, creating the monster that was Divinity II: Ego Draconis, and eventually polymorphed that into Divinity II: The Dragon Knight Saga. That we burned ourselves pretty badly in the process shouldn’t come as a surprise, but in hindsight, it wasn’t such a bad strategy.

He's got a point. How many developers have fallen off the radar because they've chosen to switch to markets where the audience doesn't really give a shit and the developers are basically marketing agencies? Imagine where Brian Fargo would be without Kickstarter.

Read the rest of Swen's blog here.

Pity Swen never reveals names.

I don't think that Watch Dogs (of which I've never heard of until now) and Far Cry 3 (which does not interest me in the slightest) are appealing to the same market segment as any of the Larian games. I consider smaller budget of Sven's games to be an advantage, as it means he does not have to sell as much copies to get profit, which means he does not have to "streamline" to gain wider audience.

I do have my doubts about Dragon Commander and Original Sin selling well enough that Larian gets their budget for the Ultra Ultimate RPG. It is a nice ambition and I wish them good luck, but... we will see, I guess.

Things would probably be a lot easier with state funding for game devs (like FunCom in Norway) which is non-existant in Belgium.

Divinity II sold well in Europe from what I've seen. They definitely have enough people willing to buy their games.

that's the whole point of social media games. to be played for just a few minutes while browsing the profiles of others and friends... this crap is played by hundreds of millions of people. a player base other publishers are dreaming of and if only a handful of those people use the micro transactions then this will generate a huge profit with hardly any production investment, not to talk about the commercials income.

Yeah, you're basically competing on the level of a minesweeper or Moorhuhn game. Which means it's always hit or miss. You have to be lucky to develop a short, easy to understand and addicting game which has to allow for microtransactions AND needs to get the (viral) marketing right to get recognized by people. The later alone will already be a huge moneysink I guess which counters the low production costs.

I have a suspicion that the skyrocketing game development costs aren't happening because publishers think those games are actually more profitable than multiple smaller games. They are skyrocketing because publishers know that if they can raise the finance bar so that only $100 million games are "AAA" then 95% of their competition will kill itself trying to match this.

Nice article as usual, though I have to wonder if Swen is in denial mode. I would hardly call Divinity II a big, expensive, triple-A game - or a failure as he seems to think it is (I could have sworn the long-term sales have been quite good), and Divinity: Original Sin and Dragon Commander, though big-budget, are still relatively small next to most other titles, to say nothing of the $100 million behemoths. Larian are pretty damn niche, and I think their business model and success reflects that, as well as the quality of their games (pretty damn good).

I also like the subtle digs at Ubisoft. As a Canadian who has seen their operations grow and grow the last few years (and has yet to be hired even though I'm oh-so-qualified ) I do have to imagine that most of it comes down to the government's support of the games industry. The thinking, I believe, is much like the film craze in Canada during the 90s and early 2000s - it's cheaper to shoot here, and even though it's not as good as having Canadian businesses outright running the show, getting big American companies in will drive local economies. Problem is that the money will go away, and the bubble will burst. That kind of massive studio making massively expensive games just isn't sustainable, and is the same kind of shit that got 38 Studios in trouble. Ubisoft can't afford a flop... I don't think they can even afford to keep doing what they're doing, to be honest.

(agreed, but Ubi s not a "big kwan company")

By the way, it is quite arrogant of him to say his team could match the bigger teams in quality per dollar, they certainly didn't demonstrate anything technically impressive yet. Marketing BS, even if he sincerely believes it.

And game journalists can barely read and write, why care about their opinion about flemish art?
Do I care about the hivemind about Céline or Pérec?

They've been as much or more technically impressive than 95% of games released recently. Jack shit is really happening with everything being a console port.

Yep and 95% of games released recently are not technically impressive!
Technically impressive is not always about eye candy. A really smooth optimized game, or lightning-quick loadings are criteria to judge good coding, too.
Does Divinty2 even sustain a solid 30fps on Xbox? I heard it doesn't.

No console ports = shitty PC code in your game. You can believe me, most optimizations in games are driven by console ports.

I totally agree with you but your point is not about technical prowess, it is about art direction being more important in the global product.
And the Larian blog was talking about technology:
"Yet, there’s nothing I’ve seen technology wise in those videos that my team couldn’t pull off, provided they’d have access to the same budget."

Le fuck? Are you a Rockstar employee, really that stupid or both? The shittiest PC games performance and stability wise have always been multiplatform games.

And how does it contradict what I said?
Some studios don't care about their PC ports, that's true.
Rockstar and Bethesda for instance.

No I'm not but I have been working in AAA game developement on various platforms for the twelve last years and I stand by my statement.
You can't imagine how wasteful of resources are most PC-only games.
Lots of code is deemed fast enough for PCs then get optimized because it is too slow on consoles.
And no TRC /TCR means : "don't fix your bugs mate, it doesn't matter".

Um, while it has been true in the past that some dev's didn't need to polish their code because PCs were getting more and more powerful AND that consoles broke that cycle, worst performing PC-games in the last 5 years that I know of have always been multiplatform ones, while the PC-only games haven't had issues to the same extent.

Civilization 5 for instance is a huge hog that could run much much faster.
There are lots of those. It's mostly that our current PCs have grown so much more powerful than this generation consoles so we don't really notice.
(And then not all games are CPU bound of course)