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[Trash]

What about comical caricature of stupid neo-conservative? It might fit you.

 

[kingcomrade]

I've never actually met one of these neo conservafags everyone keeps takling about.

 

[Trash]

If I didn't live in Texas (where I don't need to vote for the Republican to win)

You sure?

 

[kingcomrade]

You think Texas is going is going to vote for the Phony Negro or the She-Bitch? also lol dangling participle

 

[Trash]

That is kinda stereotypical.

 

[kingcomrade]

Well, yeah. It's stereotypical for a reason.

 

[Trash]

Don't make it so easy dude.

You really are all fat hicks that drive pick ups loaded with guns and beer? Shit, I'd never thought.

 

[kingcomrade]

That's not the stereotype I was referring to, but enjoy your fantasies.

 

[Trash]

The steers and queers one?

 

[FrancoTAU]

Britain's problem with crime revolves around them favoring the civil rights of the criminal over the victim. You can't defend yourself in London, so anyone who wants to mug or bulglarize you will do so with no reprecussions.

I like the Nolan Chart better than the straight line Left Wing to Ring Wing view.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Surprisingly, whenever I do those tests, I usually end up around the centre. That's probably because I always choose From each according to his ability, to each according to his need as a "good thing" based on the fact that it's the fundamental building block of Capitalism. EG: I have a need to eat food but I don't have the ability to make food. Farmers have the ability to make food. So I buy it from them with my money. See? From their ability, to me according to my need. I'm willing to pay more than poor people, which means my need is clearly greater. If poor people really needed food, they'd kill and eat each other or sell their relatives in slavery. So clearly their need cannot be as great as mine.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

The exorbitant deleterious manifestations of the Bushian paradigm are utterly undeniable. But some authoritarian right-wing WACKOS actually APPROVE of the US having 2nd world infant mortality rates, the highest child poverty rate in the Western developed world, and the world's highest incarceration rate.

Once again, since you're retarded, the United States infant death mortality rate is because we count any live birth, regardless of the size of the baby, as a live birth and consequent death if it dies. In European countries, they don't count babies born as live births if they're smaller than a certain size. The number 2 cause of infant death in America is premature babies dying, which is something European countries don't even count.

We also factor that in to our life expectancy. If we threw out the premature babies dying, our infant mortality rate would be much lower and our life expectancy would be a lot higher.

In other words, Europe cheats.


DefJam: The problem with your chart is that on the right wing side of things, at least in American terms of the political spectrum, you have ANARCHY, not Fascism. At one end, you have BIG GOVERNMENT/COMMUNISM/LEFT WING and at the other ANARCHY/NO GOVERNMENT/RIGHT WING. You can't have a Fascist Anarchy.

The original purpose of the Constitution of the United States was to establish the least amount of government that was possible at the Federal end and allow the states to govern themselves. The reason the original government contract failed, The Articles of Confederation, was because they gimped the central government a bit too much. We went with a Confederation first, then tried a Federation.

The idea of the Federal government maintaining roads between the states was proposed to Jefferson when he was President. He said things like that would require a Constitution Amendment because it fell outside the boundries of the power of the Federal government. Today, we don't even bat an eye when people suggest the Federal government should control things.

What's interesting is that if you read the Constitution, it actually allows states to be a hell of a lot more than what we allow them to do today. The 1st Amendment clearly states "Congress shall make no laws ... establishment of religion", followed by the 10th Amendment which states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". By those two Amendments, it's spelled out that Utah could be a theocratic state where Mormon law was the law of the land under the Constitution and by the laws of that state. However, we don't allow Utah to be a religious state because of Judicial Review.

The original idea was that states could pick and implement their own government and compete against one another to establish their own laws and figure out what works best for their people versus the other states. You could have a socialist state in Massachusetts right next door to a purely capitalist state in New York under the Constitution, and they'd have to compete against one another for people.

But hey, we managed to screw that one up.

 

[Keldorn]

The reason why the US has such a high homicide rate, high child poverty rate, high incarceration rate and high infant mortality rate, is because of lack of semi-socialist humanitarian infrastructure.

IOW...............


..............*** THE RIGHT IS WRONG *** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keldorn]

It looks like I'm going to need a new schtick, Keldorn has stolen my "comical caricature of stupid hippy."

If only you could open your eyes and see the negative effects induced by your oblivious and destructive ideology...

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Surprisingly, whenever I do those tests, I usually end up around the centre. That's probably because I always choose From each according to his ability, to each according to his need as a "good thing" based on the fact that it's the fundamental building block of Capitalism. EG: I have a need to eat food but I don't have the ability to make food. Farmers have the ability to make food. So I buy it from them with my money. See? From their ability, to me according to my need. I'm willing to pay more than poor people, which means my need is clearly greater. If poor people really needed food, they'd kill and eat each other or sell their relatives in slavery. So clearly their need cannot be as great as mine.

I typically nail the libertarian side of things with a leaning towards right wing. I did the politicalcompass.org test just now, and there was something on there about funding of art. I was a little ticked off there were no options for, "What the fuck does art have to do with the government?" Should we fund art? Um, NO. There was no option for that. It was a question of what type of art should be funded. Basically, it seemed like a, "Do you still beat your wife question?" which makes the assumption that I have beaten my wife with no choice for, "I've never beaten my wife." That's the main problem I have with those tests, the loaded questions.

 

[FrancoTAU]

The reason why the US has such a high homicide rate, high child poverty rate, high incarceration rate and high infant mortality rate, is because of lack of semi-socialist humanitarian infrastructure.

I'd actually argue that it's mostly because the War on Drugs shit over here. The infant death thing is just counting premature births like others have said.

 

[dagorkan]

Surprisingly, whenever I do those tests, I usually end up around the centre. That's probably because I always choose From each according to his ability, to each according to his need as a "good thing" based on the fact that it's the fundamental building block of Capitalism. EG: I have a need to eat food but I don't have the ability to make food. Farmers have the ability to make food. So I buy it from them with my money. See? From their ability, to me according to my need. I'm willing to pay more than poor people, which means my need is clearly greater. If poor people really needed food, they'd kill and eat each other or sell their relatives in slavery. So clearly their need cannot be as great as mine.

On that test I'm the same, roughly on the right side of that central box but I think it's based on American averages. When I did a more advanced test just for the UK I'm like on the pretty far right...

The axis they use are
-Punishment / National Sovereignty vs Rehabilitation / International Law
-Socialist/anti-war vs Free-market / pro-war

I was within the most 2% right-wing on the first axis and leaning about 70% to the right on the second axis. A lot of what would be called mainstream conservatives (party voters) were actually only fairly to the right on the free-market/pro-war stuff and center-left on rehabilitation/international law.

http://ex-parrot.com/~chris/wwwitter/20 ... _left.html

 

[Trash]

Those tests are made by commie liberal pinkos so they can identify all right wingers and put them up the wall after RAHOWA. It's true, I read it on the intarwebz.

 

[Walkin' Dude]

-Socialist/anti-war vs Free-market / pro-war

War is inherently anti-market. The government forces productive resources to be consumed in warfare. That is stupid to put them on the same axis.

I am vehemently pro-market, and I am just as vehemently anti-war.

 

[dagorkan]

If you read that article I linked to you see they didn't set up the axis based on abstract ideological theories about politics... everybody has their own reasoning and that influences the kind of axis they'll choose. Eg the 'Nolan' thing is made by libertarians and that is why it's useless, they make assumptions which might fit for people who believe in the positive/negative liberty distinction but most people never think about it. Likewise a socialist would probably have an axis based on social class, exploited/exploiter, which would lead to different classifications, but in reality few people think that way either. The test and the conclusions in either case only make sense in context of the ideology of the test's author.

What he's tried to do is to ignore all ideological assumptions and just look at what the different correlations are and what are the best correlations. In the UK there are general trends that follow whether people describe themselves as left or right by the kind of figures or issues people associate themselves with, he chose two one of which is Margaret Thatcher vs 'old Labor' (Tony Benn/Michael Foot etc), factions which historically have polarized society and obviously represent real differences of views. That's where the free-market / jingoism vs socialist / anti-war thing comes from, Margaret Thatcher is the strongest representative of the 'free market' but also very associated with rebuilding the military, supporting NATO etc, on the other side the socialists were always associated with extreme pacifism (unilateral disarmament, leaving NATO). The time when those issues were most obvious was also the time with the most political instability (people switching parties), which supports that it's not just a 'party line' association thing.

The other axis is another real trend, being isolationist does tend to strongly correlate with 'law-and-order' views and the vice-versa, and crosses party lines (generally internationalism/rehabilitation is the more 'elite' view). People might have a different reasons for belonging the the same extreme but it represents a real factor in how people view the world.

The proof that these axis represent something (but of course not perfectly) is that based on tens of thousands of answers there is a fairly even distribution around the middle of the graph and a steady gradient in all directions away from it... you don't get that with the Nolan thing.

So that works for the UK, it might not work for other countries and times (I know it wouldn't work for France), but you should look at the data first and try to find trends scientifically and not start by looking at designing the test through the prism of your ideology.

Otherwise it's just a propaganda exercise, which is exactly what the classical 'left-right' and 'Nolan model' are.

 

[kingcomrade]

If only you could open your eyes and see the negative effects induced by your oblivious and destructive ideology...

You're still way behind me, though, I've already used the "open your eyes" at least half a dozen times.

 

[DefJam101]

Battle of the one-liners.

 

[Admiral Rimjob POOBUM]

Wake up America

 

[kingcomrade]

Wake up America

Imagine how tragic it would be to be having a nightmare...and then wake up in Bush's America.

 

[dagorkan]

I would probably kill myself