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StarCraft: Remastered

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by J_C, Aug 5, 2016.

  1. Lyric Suite Arcane

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    Even if their are honest in their intent doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to fuck it up.
     
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  2. RhodokMasterRaceOfficial Savant

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    If they fuck it up, it's definitely not going to be by bringing about PatchZerg 2.0 or anything.

    Keep in mind, the game's already out, so unless they fix a bug in the next patch and then accidentally introduce a new bug that results in a BSOD on starting the game, I'm not sure what they can do to mess things up.
     
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  3. mwnn85 Learned

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    The old offline installers for most Blizzard games are still accessible - if one wants to avoid using Blizzard's launcher or online installers.

    English (UK), Windows.

    Diablo 2 (1.14b)
    http://www.battle.net/download/getLegacy?product=D2DV&locale=en-GB&os=WIN

    Diablo 2 LOD (1.14b) (followed by LODPatch_114d.exe)
    http://www.battle.net/download/getLegacy?product=D2XP&locale=en-GB&os=WIN

    Warcraft 3 (1.27)
    https://eu.battle.net/download/getLegacy?product=WAR3&locale=en-GB&os=WIN

    Warcraft 3 The Frozen Throne (1.27) (followed by War3TFT_127b_English.exe)
    http://www.battle.net/download/getLegacy?product=W3XP&locale=en-GB&os=WIN

    Warcraft 3 latest version is v1.28.5. Only available through the new online only installer!

    Starcraft + Brood War (1.15.2)
    https://eu.battle.net/download/getLegacy?product=STAR&locale=en-GB&os=WIN

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    You still need a serial key to install/play.
    Starcraft is almost a 7GB download now that they've bundled classic and remastered together.
    Plus I have to stare at a big advert on the main menu for Remastered.
    :decline:
     
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  4. mwnn85 Learned

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    Completely forgot to mention the Starcraft 1.16.1 update or the never released 1.17 update - not played it for so long.
    Not a fan of having to stare at this, having to be constantly online through the launcher and having to download 6-7 times the data each time I install.

    Keeping the old offline installer on my NAS.
     
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  5. TalesfromtheCrypt Arcane

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    Thanks mate! Downloading now and making a back-up.

    Perfect!
     
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  6. RhodokMasterRaceOfficial Savant

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    This only matters to nerds who're going to play the campaign for 10 seconds and quit. If you don't ladder or 1:1 obs with friends, you're not really the target of the remaster.
     
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  7. TalesfromtheCrypt Arcane

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    So what? Fuck you.
     
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  8. RhodokMasterRaceOfficial Savant

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    Because multiplayer is all Starcraft actually offers/ever offered, so why do you even care about an always online requirement? All you're gonna do with your old install is play the campaign for 10 seconds and quit.
     
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  9. thesheeep Arcane

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    Says you and the other 5-10% of players that actually stick around for MP :lol:
     
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  10. MilesBeyond Savant

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    Even if you're only doing single player, the ability to rebind hotkeys is well worth being always online and having the ad in the main menu.
     
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  11. thesheeep Arcane

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    Yeah, no doubt. This remaster is mostly for the MP crowd. At least I doubt there are too many changes (if at all) to the campaign.
    But claiming SC has only ever been for multiplayer is beyond ridiculous.
     
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  12. MilesBeyond Savant

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    Oh, no argument here. That was just plain stupid. There's plenty of people who enjoy Starcraft for its campaign, and then plenty more people who enjoy it for UMS multiplayer. In fact, I think that in North America that demographic would be a fair bit larger than those who are in it for competitive multiplayer.

    I've honestly felt no need to get the Remastered. I just don't have the time to get deep enough into BW to become a reasonable player, and none of the rest of the changes really seem worth spending money on. That's the problem Starcraft's always had, really, and the reason why I'm not surprised SC2 has struggled so much against MOBAs. Starcraft is PC gaming's chess (and whether you take that as a compliment to SC or an insult to other PC games is up to you). The reality is that it's not something you can just pick up and play. Cultivating the mechanical ability alone takes a lot of time, to say nothing of learning the meta and timings and how units work and whether that has any relation to how you'd think they work (be honest, how many people, after finishing the Terran campaign in SC1, thought to themselves "Man, you know what? That Vulture unit is incredibly useful and is obviously going to be a staple of Terran multiplayer").


    Meanwhile, I have never played a MOBA sober. You do the math.
     
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    This may be due to a difference of meaning, but that does not link to an offline installer, but to an online installer.

    Could it be that the link has changed?
     
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  14. mwnn85 Learned

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    You basically download and run that file - which downloads the "real" offline installer in turn.
    Show Spoiler

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    Once it's downloaded you can delete Downloader_StarCraft_Combo_enGB.exe.
    It'll try an install the game once downloaded but it's safe to cancel that.

    Backup the contents of the downloaded folder (i.e. \SC-1.15.2-enGB\* ) to a convenient place.
    Run Installer.exe to install the game.
    You will need a serial key, you don't have to be online to install, you won't need your discs at all.
    Thrown mine away years ago.
     
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  15. MilesBeyond Savant

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    Reviving this thread because I recently stumbled across Lowko's playthrough of the campaigns in SC:R and if you've got a lot of time on your hands it can be a fun watch (I actually have almost no time on my hands but for some reason the more work I have to do the more time I end up spending on Youtube. I've noticed that I almost never go on Youtube unless I'm procrastinating). It's a good introduction to SC:R and will famliarize you with the new graphics and illustrated interludes to get an idea of how you feel about them. Personally, I don't know how to feel. The interludes are actually pretty cool, but they hardly justify the price tag on their own. I don't like the new Terran visuals as much, but I think I do prefer the new Zerg visuals. Maybe? It's hard to say. On the one hand, the remastered Zerg look a bit too plastic-y. On the other hand, they're also a lot more clear. With the original textures there's quite a few units and especially buildings where you had to look up their pictures in the manual to get any idea of what the hell they were supposed to be portraying, and here it's easier to tell. For Protoss, I like the look of the units a bit better? Except for the Zealot, I feel like their colours have become a lot less obvious. But I'm really not a fan of some of the portraits. Aldaris and Tassadar in particular just look strange. I guess the former is fair because original Aldaris kinda looked like a Jim Henson creation. Anyway, all in all, definitely not something I'd spend money on.

    Also, Lowko's a major figure in SC2 who has never actually played through SC1 (his excuse is that back when it came out he was mostly playing HoMM 3 and AoE, which... is totally fair, actually), so it can be fun to watch him experience it for the first time. He's actually pretty taken aback by how much he prefers the story and writing to SC2, and how much fun the SC1 units are. He makes an interesting case at one point for SC1 having a better unit collection: A lot of basic, straightforward units that are fairly general purpose mixed in with a few specialist units to liven things up, as opposed to SC2 where everything feels like a specialist unit to an extent and everything feels a lot less powerful as a result. It can be a little frustrating at times because of his tendency to miss things that are obvious or in the middle of the screen, but it's still the most enjoyable playthrough of SC1 I've seen.



    EDIT: When I say he's a major figure in SC2, it's more as a video maker or commentator. He's not a pro or anything like that.
     
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  16. ArchAngel Magister

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    He was a pro at one point but he wasnt able to become a top pro
     
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  17. Multidirectional Arcane

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    I enjoy watching Lowko host pro SCII videos from time to time because I genuinely pick up some nice ideas that I successfully apply in my own games from time to time, or just get more information about units in general. His videos where he is executing a build and explaining it while playing are also nice. But I can't be arsed watching him play campaigns, I'd rather replay SC myself. Which I did do for original not long ago, BW campaigns still await.
     
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  18. RhodokMasterRaceOfficial Savant

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    There's a lot of drama right now because Blizzard is a shit company. They're making the pro-scene impossible atm by charging an absurdly large tournament license fee, which means that AfreecaTV is currently in the red running ASL, and basically gating anybody else who wants to run a major league out of doing so. The finger on the monkey's paw curls. ASL5 might be the last big thing we get.

    ASL5 should be starting later this month, by the way.
     
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  19. Dzupakazul Savant

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    I got the Remaster a while ago on sale - because I'm honestly just a sucker for Starcraft in all its forms, can't help it, love that game, will always be a lowly Drone for it - and I think I managed to avoid the brunt of most of the lag and early release issues. I'm playing Zerg at 1500 MMR and just enjoying myself. Sure, I'm not good and my teenage dreams of being like Draco are never coming to fruition, but game is still tight as hell and winning makes me really happy and pumped up. Unparalleled feeling with any other competitive online game I put my toes into. Not that this is an endorsement to go mass-buy the Remaster, as I am also aware of all the issues surrounding it; the game is currently apparently developed by, like, one guy in his free time.

    One thing that apparently the Remaster isn't good for yet is working with modded campaigns; the other day I stumbled upon a very interesting project made by a really renowned mapmaker and checked out a few minutes of a playthrough on YT: mod has units with hacked in special abilities, full voice acting and a ton of quality and polish. Only problem is: it doesn't work on current SC:R patches because of lack of compatibility with the newest changes. So if any one of you guys want a Starcraft SP experience and have a 1.16.1 version of the game laying around (or can simply downgrade patch it), here's a trailer.


    And here's some dude's playthrough; just check out the care put into this thing. I can 100% get behind it.
     
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  20. MilesBeyond Savant

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    Riiiight, that was it. It's what makes the videos so fun to watch. He's got semi-pro levels of micro and macro skills due to SC2, but he's a noob to BW, which means that he goes back and forth between pulling off some pretty impressive stunts and having some facepalm moments, often within minutes of each other.

    See, for the most part I feel the same way, but I found these videos interesting because as his first time through he's always comparing everything to SC2, and makes some pretty cool observations.


    EDIT: Actually, to illustrate the first point, when he plays the Protoss mission where you have to use Tassadar to rescue Zeratul, he never actually figures out that the Terran units are rescuable. He just assumes they're hostile and either avoids them or storms them. It goes from being a huge facepalm to actually being pretty impressive when he manages to complete the mission this way - you keep thinking he's going to figure it out, but nope. He just uses micro and a bit of save scumming to beat the mission with almost no army.
     
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  21. MilesBeyond Savant

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    Also if I were head of the SC:R team I would have patched Scouts out of multiplayer just to see how long it would take before someone noticed
     
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  22. Dzupakazul Savant

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    Scout/Tank 200/200 is an unbeatable late game combination in Team Melee. :P
     
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  23. RhodokMasterRaceOfficial Savant

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    Scouts do actually do something, it's just that the units they're useful against (Carriers, BCs, large Zerg flyers) don't get used much vs Protoss. There's an SSL Classic PvZ match where the protoss player builds one (1) scout to kill a pair of guardians that were hatching behind his base.
     
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