SMITE - Why I fucking hate DotA based games.

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DotA based games are shit and for trannies and fags. (offense ment)

That's why HiRez decided to send me a beta for their 3rd person DotA game SMITE.

And it fucking rocks!!!! I'm having great fun flinging poo from above as Sun_Wukong, complete with banana jokes. 3rd person is exactly what this kind of game needs. Here is how it works:



I am probably going to buy this game later on, since it has the HiRez typical XP grind without VIP/Booster attached to it. (Tribes players will know). If any of you brodexers are into the Beta aswell, lets poop on some games together!

Considering that teamfights in dota are already a clusterfuck begging for a wider camera angle, I can't imagine a third person game being conducive to the experience.

That does look pretty interesting, but fuck me that tutorial... he talks about the game as if he's giving a presentation in a retirement home or something.

I always thought somebody would make a dota clone like this.

Yeah but that one has a shitty camera and shitty FoV and shitty heroes and shitty gameplay.

This probably is one of the advantages of this game - it requires even more teamplay to even know what is going on on the map. No one said everything has to be crystal clear.

Nay, it's slower paced and has this annoying over-the-right-shoulder look from console games like mass effect. I can't stand that.

Personally, the thing that makes the teamfights confusing for me is the RTS-style view and interface. A third-person view gives a much clear feeling of my own position, making paying attention to everything else easier.

It might be easier to be aware of whats on the screen, but you'll have 0 awareness of anything behind you, ally or enemy.

Try playing dota zoomed in as far as you can. That's your camera. Good luck timing stuns with allies or judging if they're in range to attack someone or heal you.

Yes, obviously a game designed to work in one way doesn't necessarily work well if you change something. With a different view and controls for movement of course other aspects have to be redesigned as well. What is your point?

I like the idea of having a "boss" instead of a world tree/shrine/whatever. But that's the only thing of interest I saw in that video. I'll stick to DotA 2.

DoTards gonna DoTard

Savage: The Battle for Newerth (2003) (gameplay vid: link)

Savage 2: A Tortured Soul (2008) (gameplay vid: link)

Made by S2 Games, creators of Heroes of Newerth (HoN).

Not really DOTA clones... but a lot better than a DOTA clone.

Those are the DOTA clones in the sense Excidium implied.

TPP view forces you to substitute situational awareness you get with free-look during a team fight with voice communication. And for pubs that means a disaster.

Even for a coordinated team it's still a shit level of awareness. Your team isn't going to be able to all tell eachother what abilities they have in range to cast on which enemies from second to second.

If you're going with the 3rd person view for this type of game you might as well go back to the root and play/clone dynasty warriors instead. Basing it on dota is going to include a bunch of shit that doesn't fit with the camera.

Hmm... as far as dotalikes go it does look pretty good. Camera is definite plus. It always made little sense to me to have rts-like overhead view when you control one measly unit. As someone said in this thread it made it harder to keep track of your own position, especially with all special effects going off in a fight. As for not seeing what's behind you... it will apply the same way to everyone in game, so what's the problem ? Also notice that camera is pretty far off from your character so you can still see what's going on directly behind you, also minimap. I think you are whining just because it doesn't work exactly the same way you are used to and no it hardly forces you to use voicechat, btw this argument applies to every dotalike in existence (camera view changes nothing here), coordination is king and typing isn't exactly efficient way to achieve it (or guessing and "eyeballing" like Damned Registrations suggests), if you want to play something other than randoms you'd be stupid to not use it. No problem though, Dota 2 is for you. Actually it's very smart move by developers, they have feature that differentiates them from competition very well. I doubt anyone would even look at yet-another-dota if it had traditional rts camera. Still market is so packed with these things nowadays they will have to really shine in gameplay department to survive. I'm guessing it's going to be F2P?

Also gameplay vidya trailer:


Someone in beta? Any impressions?

It's fun. I'm streaming some games so you can see for yourself: http://www.twitch.tv/erawe

I can assure you any decent dota player could look at screenshot of a teamfight and eyeball exactly who is in range of what spells for every fucking hero in the picture. It's perfectly reliable.

The reason this lack of awareness is bad is because it turns fights into a crapshoot as far as positioning is concerned. You can easily lose an entire fucking game because you thought your buddy was 6 feet behind you but he was actually 8. This is to dota what this:



is to martial arts.

See that's your problem, you don't like it because you'd be leaving your comfort zone. So what if it's harder to measure distances due to perspective or that you can't see too far behind you? AGAIN, it applies to all players equally, it doesn't make it less competitive in any way, it only makes it different from what you are used to. Next you'll be complaining there is no denying or whatever feature from dota this game doesn't have.

Oh and I wasn't getting at ability to judge distances of skills, anyone can do that after playing for a bit. It simply doesn't make it impossible to coordinate if you change camera view, while yes constant reports if this or that skill is in range on that or other guy from 5 people isn't feasible way to do things why is it so vital? Because you can have all this info in dota with one glance? I think you are just too stuck in your own mindset.

And ultimately whose fault it is? Perfect example of player error, we could argue if it was player in front or back who made the mistake (or both actually) but it certainly wasn't caused by game due to RNG or stuff. Wait.. so you're saying this behind back camera is better because it actually requires better situational awareness and team coordination instead of having everything served on silver platter? Man I'm confused now.

Ps. Look at the videos again, camera let's you see quite a lot on sides and behind your character, if that isn't enough for you then I can only imagine how lost and confused you'd be when playing first person shooters.

This is like arguing whether WoW is better than Diablo 3.

And the game is probably going to be another casualfest like LoL anyway.

lol cool story bro.