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Skyrim is worse than Oblivion in every way

Discussion in 'Made for Console Popamole RPGs' started by baronjohn, Nov 12, 2011.

  1. Metro Magister

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    Let me correct myself: not procedurally generated but copied and pasted by hand. That makes it much better, right?
  2. racofer Thread Incliner

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    At least DA2's interface worked.
  3. made Prophet

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    OMG skyway is this true? You own an Xbox360. You're playing Skyrim. Possibly even ON YOUR XBOX360! You probably even BOUGHT it too dear god this isn't happening... My world is shattered. I had the greatest respect and admiration for your extensive knowledge of computer games and insights into the world of IT but now I feel nothing but shame when I look at my "卐 Wir müssen die Konsoletarden ausrotten 卐" tattoo.
  4. waywardOne Arbiter

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    And lol @ fucking newfag shills. ( Skyrim > Oblivion ) ≠ ( Skyrim = good game).
  5. Beautiful Clown Painting Scholar Patron

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    Skyway's right: Oblivion had zodiac signs and not Skyrim. So Oblivion's obviously superior. Don't forget that Libra is now coming into the Scorpio's house in Skyway's sky: therefore he's always right.
  6. Beautiful Clown Painting Scholar Patron

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    And there's also the ultimate truth as told in the ancient prophecies:
    Skyway's Arma2 Gameplay>Yours
    So
    Oblivion>Skyrim
  7. BLOBERT Liturgist

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    BRO SKYWAY ISNT SMART ENOUGH TO PLAY PC GAMES SO HE POSTS ABOUT KOTOR AND OBLIVION AND SHIT

    BRO I MAY BE A CONSOLETARD BUT I AM SMART ENOUGH NOT TO WORY ABOUT THIS GAME I JUST LAUGH AT PCTARDS GOING ALL HOMO ABOUT IT
  8. hanssolo Barely Literate

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    All this means is you need to stop casting for a moment every few seconds while running around aforementioned table.
  9. Diablo1_reborn Barely Literate

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    Fighting enemies on Expert as a pure Mage with no fast Mana Regen would be impossible (unless you have infinte Mana Potions in your inventory) on the beginning of the game. Just saying, since I'm playing as a pure mage and having a really hard time on Expert.
  10. ksjav Educated Patron

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    One thing about the AI is that if they cannot reach you and you are blasting them with spells/arrows, they will attempt to lose line of sight. Meaning if you are camping a giant from a cliff and he cannot get to you, he'll hide behind some pillar or tree or something.
    Personally once I had to run away from a draugar ravager (that would one-and-a-half-shot me) and close an iron bar gate, thinking I would blast him with a flamethrower spel through it, but as soon as I started doing it he just walked behind a corner. This is actually more than I can say for most games' AI.
    Also the pathfinding works good unless you jump off a ledge, then, even if that was a half a meter drop, the enemy will start circling around to get to you. That's so far the only abuse I run into. I suppose circling a table as mentioned here can also be abused. But this is still head and shoulders above the *standing on a slight elevation, AI going batshit swinging weapons into the ground* from Oblivion, not to mention the attack animations, that allowed you to casually walk backwards, while enemies would attack the air in front of you in slomo.
  11. AlaCarcuss Learned

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    Now this is the most level headed, informative thing I've read about the game so far and I couldn't agree more. Thanks sea.

    :thumbsup:

    Holy shit, is this to much to put in my sig???

    :bravo:
  12. Don Peste Learned

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    Read roll-a-die and bruticis replies on the second page.
  13. Trash I'm in ur base editing ur posts Patron

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    Lots of autists breaking down itt.
  14. Syril Scholar

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    Skyway is bashing the game into Oblivion but he is currently starting his 3rd playthrough on his xbawks :codexisfor:
  15. praetor Learned

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    i did. was level 8 or 9 on my way to the town before the greaybeards. kicked my ass in 2 seconds flat so i took another way there :)
  16. CrimsonAngel Savant Patron

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    My verdict.

    Better then Oblivion

    Worse then New Vegas.
  17. Ulminati I'm watching you... Scum. Patron

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    Well, Steam informs me I've been marvelling at the Majesty for 23 hours.

    It's better than Oblivion, not as good as Morrowind. As a hiking sim it's better than New Vegas although as an actual RPG it leaves much to be desired. The quests are derpy, the landscapes are pretty, the interface is horrible. the levelling system is retarded and dragged down further by the perks being in a difficult to navigate MAJESTIC set of constellations instead of an easily-browsed list or tree. I killed a dragon, only to heal up, turn a corner and get killed by a mountain cat in turn.

    I'm playing an archer with a smattering of illusion, alchemy, enchantment and thieves skills. I'm about 20% through the main quest. I've just started the mages guild questline (mostly went there because I was trying to get hold of a spell book of invisibility). I meant to go directly to the thieves guild when I started out, but I've gotten kind of sidetracked. Besides, I've grown kind of fond of Lydia and I don't think I'll be doing much sneaking with her in tow in heavy armor. I think I started the Dark Brotherhood questline, but I honestly CBA to go kill a girl just because some deranged kid thinks he summoned me. I've done some of the companions quests where I

    So yeah. Very derpy quests. The mages guild feels a bit too much like Harry Potter for my liking. But maybe it'll incline later. The main quest is ok(ish) so far although I'm dissapointed you get to kill a dragon while you still have trouble handling random bandits in furs waving sticks at you. I think the game would have been better served with dragons being much, much rarer and you getting new shouts in some other fashion. Quests are depressingly linear. The only choice the player is ever given is [continue linear quest] or [walk away and kill mudcrabs]. All objectives boil down to [Go to X], [Kill NPC Y], rereive [McGuffin Z] and return here for gold coins!

    Shouts are pretty fun. The knockback shout has saved my bacon a bunch of times and the lifesense shout (whisper?) is pretty handy in a dungeon. Combat is ok. Archery/sneak attacks remains useful longer than it did in Oblivious. It annoys me that I can't block with a one-handed weapon unless my off-hand is empty or carries a shield.



    But is it actually good?



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    It won't pass even the most lenient Kodex Kritikal Konsensus, that's for sure. It's more of a hiking sim than an RPG. But I am genuinely entertained by it nonetheless. I like exploring the landscape and seeing what's behind the next hilltop or down the next cave. With a better interface (dear god, what were you people thinking!?) and quests that actually allowed the player to make some choices and pick a side, I might even have defended Skyrims honor and called it a good game.

    As it is, I find it an amusing hiking game. If Oblivion didn't make you claw out your own eyes, you'll like Skyrim. If it did but you still liked Morrowin, Skyrim may be for you (though a worse game than Morrowind in every aspect save for graphics). Maybe Mods Will Fix It. For now, I find it an adequately entertaning distraction in a year that has seen very few (if any) good releases. Take that as you will.
  18. Monocause Arbiter

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    Played for some five-six hours and Skyrim is hugely superior both to Oblivion and to Morrowind. And I'd say that it's a decent game, as in - fun. Playing on master difficulty, stopped using followers after seeing how OP they are.

    - Combat is no longer annoying. I guess they took a page from mods like Oscuro's which shifted the centerpiece of the combat from waving your sword all the time to making properly timed power attacks. And it pains me to admit that they did finishers better than in TW2. They're actually nice and feel dynamic unlike in TW where you were watching a cutscene.

    - Finally a levelling scheme that doesn't penalise you for making logical choices. At a level up you choose whether to receive a HP, MP or Stamina increase, then you receive a perk point which you can use to boost one of your skills via a respectable number of perks.

    - Writing quality and VA quality hugely improved, nothing to write home about but it's bearable.

    - Nice character faces. Not that I care about this sort of stuff usually but it's nice to play a TES game that doesn't make me want to throw up whenever I meet an NPC.

    - Quests are improved in design: they usually provide you with rewards and if they don't they're simple errands that don't consume much time and lead to other, more rewarding quests.

    - Lorewise inferior to Morrowind but not closely as full of derp as Oblivion. You have a couple of guilds (sufficiently transplanted to Skyrim environments) and there's a civil war on top of it. Also, I call bullshit on those who said that Skyrim has no new books.

    The negatives have been talked about already so there isn't much point in me writing about the UI or balance issues. Still, if you're looking for a fun game then go ahead and try it. If you're looking for a 'hardcore RPG' then go ahead and make a few posts on the Codex on how disgruntled you are.

    EDIT: I think I might need to explain why I think Skyrim is better than Morrowind. See, while I loved Morrowind for its lore and quest design the core gameplay was simply crap. Skyrim got it much, much better and thus I consider it clearly superior.
  19. Admiral jimbob nope Patron

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    Pretty much with Ulminati on this one. It's alright, not really worth all the fuss one way or the other.
  20. MetalCraze Dumbfuck!

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    Multiple people on the Codex wrote that the game is like Gothic, the combat comes to close DM, it's perfectly playable without any quest compass and there are some actual C&C. So I thought why not - I found Div2 to be OK even without DM-like combat, it's a quick download maybe they are right.

    Should've known better.

    Of course, having already two XBawks360 emulators with superior hardware and controls I thought why not
  21. serch Savant Patron

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    I'm playing this at master level and the difficulty seems about right by level 7, first dungeon cleared and I died 4 or 5 times :salute: The puzzles seem retarded though, the answers are written in the same fucking room on both occasions I found one of them. Not realy interested in comenting writing quality as this is no Bethesda forte.
  22. phanboy_iv Educated

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    Yup. About 20 hours in. Quests are ass, everything else is either tolerable or even well done for the most part.
  23. cboyardee Developer

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    Yep.

    Also it's still obviously Gamebryo.
  24. sah Educated

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    Got to about level 10, my rating so far: 3/5

    It might be a good idea to start a CodexCritic (like Metacritic, except good) section on the site. A lot of people asking about "what does the Hivemind think" would have their curiousity satisfied.
  25. Vibalist Savant

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    This could actually be kind of fun to have.

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