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For me, the list stops at number 23 (counting down to the best). Then we would have a respectable top 10.
I started playing computer games in 1983 and to me it's not just nostalgia which resulted in 17 games from 1993 or older making it on my top 25 list. I've played all of these games and enjoyed them during the past two years.
OTOH, I haven't played all of the newer games like the Fallouts (only barely played F1), PS:Torment, Arcanum, Bloodlines and ToEE yet, so things may change once I've played them also.
But generally I find the older CRPGs still as enjoyable as most of the more modern games. I still haven't found any games to best Chaos Strikes Back and Ultima Underworld/System Shock in their respective categories, for example. I still can't believe System Shock didn't make the top 50 list.
If we has a DOS only based top 20 cRPG list, it would finally be actual
Fallout would STILL come out number 1 though. heh
I started playing computer games in 1983 and to me it's not just nostalgia which resulted in 17 games from 1993 or older making it on my top 25 list. I've played all of these games and enjoyed them during the past two years.
OTOH, I haven't played all of the newer games like the Fallouts (only barely played F1), PS:Torment, Arcanum, Bloodlines and ToEE yet, so things may change once I've played them also.
But generally I find the older CRPGs still as enjoyable as most of the more modern games. I still haven't found any games to best Chaos Strikes Back and Ultima Underworld/System Shock in their respective categories, for example. I still can't believe System Shock didn't make the top 50 list.
System Shock is a great game but it isn't actually a CRPG.
I started playing computer games in 1983 and to me it's not just nostalgia which resulted in 17 games from 1993 or older making it on my top 25 list. I've played all of these games and enjoyed them during the past two years.
OTOH, I haven't played all of the newer games like the Fallouts (only barely played F1), PS:Torment, Arcanum, Bloodlines and ToEE yet, so things may change once I've played them also.
But generally I find the older CRPGs still as enjoyable as most of the more modern games. I still haven't found any games to best Chaos Strikes Back and Ultima Underworld/System Shock in their respective categories, for example. I still can't believe System Shock didn't make the top 50 list.
System Shock is a great game but it isn't actually a CRPG.
Well, it's been a while since I played it (will probably replay it later this year in glorious 1024x768 resolution), but what makes it different from the UU games and SS2?
Yeah, keep putting exclusive rules on the list until morality improves. Or put people that are actually experts in the field to make a decent listsIf we has a DOS only based top 20 cRPG list, it would finally be actual
Fallout would STILL come out number 1 though. heh
experts in the field
Eh...let's slow down a bit. First, I wouldn't call streamlined AD&D a great combat system. Those games are nowhere near the same level on that. Even though ToEE lacks grappling rules.Lots of people praise ToEE for its awesome combat system, which is fine. But then again, Pool of Radiance (or PoD in my case as I like that one the most) had a great combat system
People praise Morrowind because of those questions at the start of the game which shape your character and because of the freedom. And I agree, I love Morrowind. But don't tell me that Darklands doesn't have a great character generation system (IMO the very best) and is not a great open-world RPG.
Yes, that's all very well and good but the fact remains that the majority of votes are for mediocre stuff from the mid/late90s-through the mid 2000s and there are hardly any votes by comparison for anything from earlier, including the golden age of the late 80s/early 90s. In a poll where you could list 25 games. I didn't say everyone was like this, I said most.words
Yo when you have a 3-way tie for 9th place you should list the next title as 12th place
the TOP15 games on this list ... are better games than the Ultima series.
Ignoring the MMOs and Fainaru Fantaji, we end up with the top three pretty close and a lot less love for Ultima 7 and 4, Daggerfall, and Wasteland. I'm sure at the time there was a forum full of grognards gnashing their teeth at this lamestream list and going back to their Pool of Radiance and Wizardry. They probably didn't consider Jagged Alliance 2 a RPG.Baldur's Gate
By far the big winner in our RPG write-ins, Baldur's Gate is also the recipient of one of IGNPC's highest game scores. AD&D rules, great game engine, and a multiplayer option. What more could you want?
Final Fantasy VII
It's hard to believe, but a console RPG was your second biggest choice for RPG of the Millenium. Still, with its incredible graphics, memorable characters and wide accessibility, Final Fantasy VII is definitely a major contender.
Fallout
Coming in close on the heels of Final Fantasy VII was Tim Cain's masterpiece Fallout. This game not only had a powerful storyline, but it also introduced an amazing play engine that gamers' just couldn't get enough of.
Fallout 2
Yep, that's right... Only a few votes behind the original Fallout came Fallout 2, the game's 1998 sequel. While it may be hard to pick between 'em, this is a reader's choice poll. You decided they both belonged on the list, now you deal with the consequences.
Ultima 7
As a series, Richard Garriot's Ultima was definitely the big winner. By far your favorite game in the series was the last one not based on arcade engine, Ultima 7: The Black Gate. This game is definitive Ultima ¿ great storyline, loads of tough moral lessons and almost everything in the game can be affected in some way by the player. Great stuff.
Ultima 4
One of the big surprises in our write-in results was the inclusion of Ultima 4. This was the first game in the venerable series to introduce the concept of the virtues, the Avatar and the shrines and was one the next to last of the series (the long delayed Ultima V is the last) to be completely title-based.
The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall
Bethesda's follow-up to Arena is the perfect game for those who like their roleplaying games big. Loads of character classes, an unbelievable complex world and sheer size make this game a strong contender for the top spot.
EverQuest
To date, IGNPC has written more on this game than anything else out there. For months Trent, Steve and Tal were lost in the depths of Sony's ultra-rich gameworld. The biggest point that needs to be made here is that it's massively multiplayer and it looks really, really good.
Ultima Online
The final entry from the Ultima contingent was Ultima Online, Origin's massively multiplayer portrayal of their famous RPG world. Fans of this game are absolutely rabid and gave us pages of text explaining why this game deserved to be the RPG of the Millenium. We didn't read a word of it ¿ this is your vote, not ours.
Wasteland
The last game to make our list was another surprise. For those of you who don't remember it, Wastleland was an incredibly rich (and fairly complicated) post-apocalyptic RPG from the 80's. Players had to deal with everything from mutant rabbits to snake oil salesman, which makes this game okay in our book.