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Review RPG Codex Review: Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. buru5gender: ⚧ Very Grumpy Dragon Patron

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    You just assume I read up to the XP part and stopped?

    Weak enemies give "4000xp", pepe needed "200,00xp" to get to level 10 to unlock multiclassing. That's 50 battles. I don't remember the requirements for Jester, but I'm sure it's not far off. Holding enter that would take far less than 600 hours.
     
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  2. Zombragender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    Suggested edit, this part was confusing
    Huh?
    s/b something like
    Supposedly those green stars in the bottom represent the number of mistakes I can make without consequences
     
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  3. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Seriously? The only thing that remained unknown until recently were some of the attributes. Now even that is known: http://grimoire.wiki/index.php/Attributes

    The skills, spells and the differences between all the races and classes are described in-game. Saying there are no tooltips is misleading, since most of the information is there.
     
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  4. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    Searching for "gorror" or "gorrors" from felipepepe received no results so I'm guessing you may be mistaken on this. Incidentally

    Too bad we won't be getting the Jimbob assessment of Grimoire since he's now a full-fledged goon and that forum has absolutely no interest in discussing a game made by such a racist, sexist thal.
     
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  5. Viatagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    200,00xp to THAT level. Then it goes to god knows how millions exp. Also, I think only to the pirate class you can change that easily. Jester would still take a lot more time to get it. It's also not like EVERY weak enemies gives "4000xp", it's a random encounter, you'd need that every random fight was against them, not against any other that gives you like 100xp.

    Sure. But his point was in the version Felipe was, which leveling wasn't adjusted yet, so my point in the current version is still valid.
     
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  6. Viatagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    As if he couldn't finish the game before rpgcodex existed. I still don't understand why you are so fixed in this, if I'm not mistaken you don't even like blobbers.
     
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  7. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Just recruit the Jester in Kublai - problem solved. He is actually quite awesome.
     
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  8. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...dry-series-thread.80585/page-112#post-2322584

    My assessment was correct: Poseur.

    As for my motivation, it's primarily just getting manic kicks. I was so exhausted and slept so well last night, and the same thing will very likely happen tonight.
     
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  9. Excidium IIgender: ⚧ Self-Ejected

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    Man cleve got some power over women.
     
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  10. Viatagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    I was thinking in point things wrong and right in that review, but then, why would I do that? Roguey's post already did that. There is also the Cleve's defensive force to do that. It's better to just say that despise those flaws, the game is still amazing. :hero:
     
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    Dunno what the rage about the review is for oh wait, it's codex pretty clear he enjoyed most of the time he played. People have an ironically short memory considering this game was a joke meme, the fact that it actually came out and was playable (eventually) is a minor miracle imo.

    Only thing that confused me was that he was save scumming to avoid random encounters, but not when he has party members dying (to avoid constitution drop)?
    Anyway, gud review.
     
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  12. Covenantgender: ⚧ Literate

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    A well-written review. Simultaneously both damning and glowing; from someone who hasn't played Grimoire at all, it makes the game world sound absolutely fascinating, with puzzles and secrets that could get even an amateur dungeon delver - someone with just a few fond memories of Eye of the Beholder, say - to start salivating at the thought of them. But the balance sounds undeniably fucked not up to snuff. Felipepepe points to specific issues rather than couching his criticisms in vagueness, and doesn't fall back on easy shots at Cleve or his behaviour to round off any half-formed arguments. He makes points that are easily refutable if they are not true, and if they are true, his insistence that they need to be addressed brooks no argument.

    One thing I will say is that I would have appreciated more context. As I've no doubt some of Cleve's more ardent supporters will already be saying, many of the problems pointed out here also existed in some of our favourite games, Grimoire's 'spiritual predecessor' Wizardry VII included. The review would have been improved by Felipepepe comparing and contrasting Grimoire's issues to those we remember from the classics, and demonstrating why Grimoire's balancing problems are more (or less, if that is the case) harmful or insurmountable than those in Dark Savant or other games.

    As someone to whom balance is perhaps the most important factor in this kind of game, this was a very helpful review, even if it does push me toward the rather grim conclusion that it might be better to forego V2 entirely and wait for V3 - even if that is another 20 years in the making. But despite that, after having read this review, I'm actually more excited about that moment when I finally do get to play it than I had been previously. Thanks for the review.
     
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  13. Viatagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Not that. There is no need for save scumming to avoid random encounters, you just disable it. He was save scumming for set encounters.
     
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  14. Doctor Sbaitsogender: ⚧ SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS. Patron

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    .. and the sun rose the following morning.

    So, turning off random encounters and turning the difficulty to tourist mode, it still took 80 hours to finish. That's pretty huge.

    felipepepe How many optional quests do you feel you left unfinished? Thanks for the review.
     
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  15. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    As an apparently official member of Cleve's defensive force, let me say that I completely agree with you. I think the only thing we disagree on is whether the game should have been Early Access or not.
     
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  16. zeitgeistgender: ⚧ Augur

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    Without going into the reviewer's apparent unfamiliarity with the genre and other professional flaws that some other posters already pointed out, I'm a bit surprised at Codex officially publishing a review by someone who had such a silly "you'll never work in this town again" tantrum, and practically announced their intentions to bury the game due to a personal quarrel with the developer.

    I would normally suggest at least an objective disclaimer about the nature of their relationship, but the staff member who posted the review has already grossly misrepresented the incident in question in the intro paragraph, so it doesn't seem like there's much to expect on that front.
     
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  17. Viatagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Yet, even thinking that I still recommend the game to anyone that asks about it. :kfc:
     
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  18. Graukengender: ⚧ Magister Patron

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    Pretty balanced review that tracks with most of my own experiences with the game
     
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  19. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    Hey now, that's not entirely accurate. Mr. Pepe is extremely familiar with anime reskins of Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, you have to give him that.
     
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  20. DavidBValgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron Developer

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    Same here. Balance or no balance, bugs or no bugs, this is still so fucking great. Much like what the review said my first 15-20 hours were one of my best RPG experiences ever. That's why when issues appeared I stopped right there, there's no way I'll spoil this for me. I'd rather wait 20 years if that's what it takes.
     
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    Really got to me after a while.

    [​IMG]
     
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    80 hour game and you only gain 10 levels? Ick. Even Wiz 6 had a better XP curve than that.
     
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  23. DashiDMVgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron The Real Fanboy

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    Neanderthal in the streets, Denisovan in the sheets.
     
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    That would just have made Infinitron jizz in his pants with anticipation for posting it
     
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  25. Bakuningender: ⚧ Novice

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    A review of Grimoire on the codex? I'm afraid I only turn to this website for its retrospective re-reviews; let me know when one is available. Thanks.
     
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