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Review RPG Codex Retrospective Review: Pillars of Eternity Revisited

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. Make America Great Again ERYFKRAD Arcane Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
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  2. Make America Great Again Chamezero Arcane

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    rpg codex > currently transitioning (to neogaf)
     
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  3. Goral Arcane Patron The Real Fanboy

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    If not for Crooked Bee Infinitron wouldn't have that much influence. Someone has to approve these shit news and allow for inXile/Obsidian spam (plus high-profile Kickstarter spams for games with budgets 1 M $ and more), if you ask me that someone is the main culprit and the reason that this site is becoming another IGN/NeoGaf.And yeah, I know that Tron has the privileges to approve any news he chooses but that's what I'm talking about, normally after such spam these privileges would be revoked.

    And seriously, the Arcanum thing has pissed me off and news/articles like these just rub salt in the wound. Let me quote Drog:

    And you know why that was the case? Because Shillfinitron wasn't even on the Codex then (let alone being in charge of the news).

    But this won't change because to my post:
    DU replied only:
    So yeah, it will only get worse.

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    http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/codex-is-looking-for-news-posters.116230/
     
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  4. Prime Junta Arcane

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    If somebody else volunteered to post a stready stream of news with editorial comments written in halfway coherent, non-autistic English, Infinitron wouldn't have that much influence. It really is that simple.
     
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  5. Jaedar Arcane Patron

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    Mcadammit man, it has been like two years, this isn't a retrospective, it's a slightly delayed currentspective. Have some perspective.

    Tl;dr (yet)
     
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  6. Make America Great Again Parabalus Arcane

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    PoE&Sawyer haters on life support. Great article.

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  7. uaciaut Learned

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    You will, of course, make a response review, no?
     
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  8. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    Well of course, another re-retrospective re-re-re-re-review of a game from the far away 2015. is just what is needed here, to see what the true original reviewer thinks of the game after it's been balanced, rebalanced and patched over all these years into greatness / mediocre boredom / oblivion. Fuck expansions though because I have absolutely no intention of ever spending any more money to fix this game.
     
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  9. Sacred82 Arbiter

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    So the fanboys have the last word.

    Oh Shillitron, never change
     
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  10. Make America Great Again Infinitron Trade Master Patron

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    It's actually called a retrospective because of the Infinity Engine part.
     
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  11. Maxie Scholar

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    You hadn't even the decency to edit the text

    Ah, the chicken and egg dilemma
     
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  12. Prime Junta Arcane

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    We clearly need longer titles: "RPG Codex Short Introductory Retrospective Comparative Review: The Infinity Engine Games, Pillars of Eternity, and The White March, their Evolution, Challenges, Design, History, and Future Prospects, vol. I-XXIII."

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    It would be even better in German.
     
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  13. fobia Educated

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    Assuming that people would even bother to read the whole title.
    I guess being "passionate" about RPGS somehow excludes spending some time reading a well written retrospective article (or tbh; any article it seems). Hence the many well-informed comments.

    Inb4: Why would I read anything about a game that is the essence of shit?!
     
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  14. Fedora Master Educated

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    No prebuffing, no buy.
     
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  15. Prime Junta Arcane

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    This is the best-written of the RPG Codex Pillars reviews. A little like the game itself, it is a testament to the power of continuous iteration.
     
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  16. Jason Liang Arbiter

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    I just read Darth Roxor's very very long review of Pillars of Eternity, and while it perfectly articulates my own experiences of playing this game, he was only pointing out the game's flaws and had almost no positive criticism. Surely if I keep playing this game I will discover something of merit that this review overlooked!

    UPDATE: Holy shit I'm reading the comment thread, on page 30 already.

    I just learned that VD thinks Baldur's Gate 1 sucks. The game that AoD most resembles for me is Baldur's Gate 1.

    I'm now on page 55 and I've lost all Resolve to continue playing Pillars.

    What's the point of making a great expansion to a shitty game? Like, what if you had to play through NWN OC in order to play SoU or HotU? wtf.

    I figured out why Pillars reminds me of Arcanum. Wolves + pistols + rtwp.

    More later.
     
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  17. Somberlain Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Why is this already questionable ad review stickied to boot?


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  18. zool Savant

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    Didn't read the review because I'm about to start my first (and probably only) playthrough. Are the expansions recommended or is the base game with the latest 3.0x patch content-heavy enough?

    From what I understand, the patches bring all UI/gameplay improvements to the base game - so the only thing you don't get if you play without the expansions is the expansions' content itself.
     
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  19. Make America Great Again Parabalus Arcane

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    Don't play without the expansion, it's the best part.
     
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  20. Maxie Scholar

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    Should've been released as a standalone game then
     
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  21. Urthor Learned

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    How many of the people in this thread have actually played White March pt1 and 2 I wonder?

    Love it or hate it, it has to be said the expansion is dramatically different from the base game. And considering many of the issues people had with Pillars of Eternity were encounter and level design, not system based, the change in the expansion is pretty significant.

    Pillars is ultimately always going to be a flawed game because the attack of opportunity mechanic and the complete lack of most kinds of crowd control outside that awful system, in a RTWP game where 90% of the appeal of the Infinity Engine games was managing positioning in combat, is hot garbage.

    But shouting down an expansion that is pretty seriously different to the base game is pretty moronic.

    The White March content is different enough that the comparison I'd draw is between Shadowrun Dragonfall and the base game. Same fundamentals but thoroughly different outcome.

    But it wasn't, and if the Codex's review system can't cope with that simple fact it's that's just nitpicking. Some expansions are very similar to the basegame, the White March feels more like a module for Neverwinter than something connected to the basegame, there's fuck all narrative threads connecting the two at the end of the day.

    There's a bunch of REAL issues with White March that you can draw an actual bone with other than that shallow argument.
     
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  22. Make America Great Again Parabalus Arcane

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    That's like saying Night of the Raven or TotSC should have been standalone.
     
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  23. Maxie Scholar

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    White March takes place in an area fully secluded from OC (except for the Caed Nua questline, a forgettable slog, and the archmages questline, which I would welcome ported into the WM area)
    Sell it as a mid-to-high lvl game and hey presto, I wouldn't need to suffer OC anymore

    Nitpicking eh? Shilling for an otherwise shit game to make people try out the expansion set is plain ol' bizarre, especially in the light of yet another good expansion set hidden amidst noxious flatulence of OC - MotB, also developed by Obsidian
    A reasonable enough fellow would assume that they've learnt their lesson and refrained from salvaging shit games with quality expansion sets
     
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  24. zool Savant

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    So in that case, would it be fine to play the base game once, and then play the expansions later on (like, when the price for them has gone down to a few bucks in a year or two)?
     
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  25. Make America Great Again Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis, Hater of Eternity

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    or motb and soz oh wait
     
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