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Research Help: Non-american otaku in the 80/90's.

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by felipepepe, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Make America Great Again Dextergender: ⚧ Arcane

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    In Romania through the late 80s while under communist dictatorship of Nicolae Ceausescu and early 90s I remember that a lot of "Western" series were banned outright, including listening to western radio or watching most kinds of western TV.

    But there were some Anime series running in the evenings (e.g. you have to imagine that there was often only 2-5 hours of TV in a day and seeing a "cartoon" as a child even if you didn't quite understand what was going on was kind of special), for instance I remember Saber Rider and the Star Sherrifs, Superbook, Spaceship Sagittarius and Voltron.
    There were also some movies, I distinctly remember for instance this one: http://desenelecopilariei.com/2009/04/pasarea-de-foc-spatiala-space-firebird/ called "Space Firebird" that were cut into 10 minute segments and aired like that.

    Later through the mid 90s in Germany I remember that "RTL II" kind of picked up the Anime hype and they had a lot of the usual series running there between 12-16 like Captain Tsubasa, Sailor Moon and Pokemon etc. mixed with western cartoons, someone seems to have done a list: http://forum.dragonballz.de/showthread.php?t=23636

    Both were considered normal and discussion-worthy at school etc. at the time.
     
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    Wow, I never even considered something like that, a communist dictatorship banning western cartoons but leaving anime untouched. This is the kind of info you don't see anywhere, that japanese academics are oblivious to and US academics just don't care.

    Yeah, I heard the same thing, even that when someone with mental problems commits a crime, they usually get the highest sentence available, to be keept away from society as long as possible...
     
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    Huh... that's the opposite in here in Singapore.
    A lot of people are trying to claim they have mental problems when they did stupid shit like driving past a red light, or assaulting another guy in public.
    It is not uncommon to see the accused claiming 'high level stress and dual personality disorder' bullshit to get a lightened sentence.
     
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    There are crap tons of retarded superheroes and villains- I've Googled the articles talking about them. And just like some of the "lamer" manga and anime these heroes and villains have some devoted fans.

    As far as being able to reuse superhero names, likenesses, paraphernalia, and themes- I think that's the rub- from my perspective there are tons of different superheroes and universes all with these elements shoved into them. How many iterations of Spiderman, Batman, Superman, etc. have been created? There are as many relatively long story arks that may or may not be canon for a superhero as there are one-off adventures that are forgotten about or sometimes reframed as new in case some readers missed that issue.

    From my perspective on shonen manga, it seems like it is trying to deliver what a regular novel or series of novels delivers (long, interconnected story arks all in canon) released as episodic content. A famous exception to this is, James Bond, who is pretty much the Superman of novels, as he can be kept alive and unaffected by time forever and without a set canon. I think the closest I have seen of a manga getting the comic book superhero treatment is Eatman because while all issues have the character, etc there is almost never any other connections or references to the previous issue. Overall, Eatman does have some form of all-encompassing canon (and he ends like other manga heroes), but it is non-linear in the extreme and open to interpretation. He probly could be reused like other comic heroes, as I don't think he is dead in his universe (just a matter of the creator relinquishing the rights and finding a substantial fanbase).
     
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    What?

    What about:
    Sailor Moon
    General Daimos
    Yattaman
    Tsubasa
    Tiger Mask

    I still remember sitting before my old 14" black and white TV and watching that stuff.
     
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    Way to a necro a thread to address an issue I already addressed months ago and a few posts later at that....

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  7. Awor Szurkrarzgender: ⚧ Arcane In My Safe Space

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    I forgot that I got that thread from search users posts.
     
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    I don't know much about anime in Hungary, but I remember that DBZ was shown here between 1997 and 1999 -- then it was banned by the National Radio and Television Council (they're called the Media Council now) because
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    A rajzfilmsorozat minden részletében egymás hatását felerősítve, egyszerre vannak jelen az agresszió különböző, de egyenként is károsan ható formái.

    1. A fizikai agresszió itt (álruhában, a keleti küzdősport páros mérkőzéseinek álcázva - a sportszerűség alapvető szabályainak kiiktatásával - ) kegyetlen, gyilkos szándékú verekedésként a film legfőbb elemei. A részenként 20 perces műsoridő nagyobb részét ez tölti ki.

    2. A verbális agresszió a verekedők durva fenyegetőzéseiben nyilvánul meg.

    3. A páston kívül gyakori a lelki kényszer, a félelemben tartás.

    4. A párviadalok helyszínein kívül előfordul a fegyveres támadás, a géppuskasorozat stb. is. Fokozzák az agresszív tettek sorozatának hatását.

    · a félelmetes, gyakran amorf szörnyóriásként megrajzolt szereplők,

    · a folyamatos hangeffektusok (egy-egy ütés előkészületeként vagy hatására a szereplők üvöltése, hörgése, nyögése, jajgatása, nyüszítése, valamint a lövések, süvítések, robbanások becsapódások hangjai),

    · a gyakori fény- és színeffektusok (villámok, kisülések, villanások, vakító fényáradatok stb.),

    · a mozgás- és sebességeffektusok (a szereplők süvítő száguldásai, a földbe krátert vágó becsapódásai, robajos ütközései stb.), A filmek pszichedelikus hatásúak lehetnek, felajzott lelkiállapotot válthatnak ki, hallucinációként hathatnak.

    Különösen veszélyes ez a sorozat azért, mert rajzfilm mivoltából adódóan látszólag súlytalanítja az agressziót, valójában azonban fikciós és játékos formában fogadtatja el a nézőkkel az erőszakot. Ennek a filmnek a folyamatos nézése rászoktat az erőszakra. A rajzfilmsorozat a kiskorúak személyiségfejlődésére súlyosan ártalmas."
    Not going to translate all that... but basically it's because of "pouring brutal, concentrated aggression on the viewers of this kids' show". Priests were also actively condemning the series during Mass, which is kind of amusing in retrospect. I think the council eventually relented and allowed the TV stations to air DBZ, but only in nighttime slots (23:00 - 5:00)

    FWIW I don't remember any Western cartoons getting banned like this (there were a few movies banned for a while though, like the Last Temptation of Christ). Also, it's probably obvious from the timeline, but all of this took part after Hungary was no longer communist.
     
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    I think that most of fans subconsciously interpret Rei as an introvert and thus find her very attractive. Many strong introverts can give an impression of lack of emotions.
     
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    Dragonball was immensly popular, everyone and their mothers watched it. Incidentally, everyone here liked Piccolo. Looking back, I've no idea why.

    And Outlaw Star for me. It was perhaps my favourite. Runouni Kenshin was also pretty popular, but not as much as Dragonball.

    A famous greek rock singer also did the intro to dragonball. Shit is pretty catchy.
     
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    Edit: long time ago...also I forgot to mention

    Slayers
     
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    Resurrection of this post just to correct: opening song was by MAKE UP.



    Or maybe in your country, Angra redid that?

    On topic, not much that I can add, I watched Club Dorothé on TF1 as well when I was a kid. The ones I remember best are Chevaliers, Nicky Larson, College Fou.
     
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    They redid it:



    It was a great move at the time, Edu Falaschi had just joined and Angra was at their height in popularity, and Saint Seiya was INSANELY popular in Brazil, but man, the consequences where never the same... after releasing the awesome Temple of Shadows in 2005, the band became a sad drama queen, releasing only "meh" songs but A LOT of drama... they decline so much they got reduced to playing at small towns and Anime Conventions, and started to end shows with Saint Seiya, as it was the song most people would go to see...
     
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    Captain Tsubasa was ridiculously popular in Spain.

    It inspired football stars like Torres and Iniesta to become professional footballers.
     
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    This shit is decline.:rpgcodex:
    I hate how almost half of the plot is the love story of the redshirt pilot and the winged chick (known in local dub as 'Richard' and 'Erica')

    Voltes V is where the shit is.
     
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    Those were the ones I watched as a kid circa 1983/85.

    These animés were part of a TV show hosted by this lady:
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    Then Rede Manchete started Jaspion and Changeman and the tokusatsu fever started.

    And in 1994, they released Saint Seiya. Cavaleiros do zodiaco.

    And this is the definitive version of the opening:



    Not that shit "trem da alegria clone" or this modern age also shit angra version.

    Other I used to watch was:

     
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    Thats one big necro-post. Read thru the thread anyway, interesting to see that Varna, even 5 years ago, was already talking about Moore and Morrison in somewhat related topics +M
     
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  19. felipepepegender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    Weird to read this, after almost 5 years... I did manage to move to Japan and everything, but through a very different path.

    Which was definitely for the best. I developed a huge spite for academic papers on "pop culture", 99% of them are pure garbage made by blind fanboys singing high praise of their favorite stuff or pushing their agendas. It's all crap like Movie Bob or Jonathan Mcintosh, just the names are different. Real information comes from market researches - from people & companies investing a lot of money in trying to uncover the truth.

    Still, this thread was fun. Lots of cool insights. :salute:
     
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    Weird to get brofists for posts by the previous owner of this account.

    Good.
     
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    Because "pop culture" is driven by market, of course. And we could argue that "high culture" grew from the economic needs of the ancient people.
    And the academic writers are just fanbois with some academic degree that is usually only slightly related to whatever "pop culture" they're talking about.

    Oh how I hate those Madoka Magica and Evangelion theses.

    Anyway, this is something I only found recently, Indonesian dub of Rune Soldier Louie


    HoboForEternity Black Angel you guys ever watched this?

    I only know of this anime thanks to the 'net. Didn't know it was ever aired here.
     
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    No idea why I skipped this thread in the past.

    Anyway, Vietnam.

    We go a somewhat roundabout way to access manga and anime from Japan.

    We read 99% in Vietnamese, with maybe 1% in either CHinese or Thai. The first and biggest hit on Vietnamese market is Doraemon, which was translated from Thai version initially, and change to Chinese or Japanese later on. Gian is known as Chai-en here, which is the result of that translation.

    Anime is way harder. The two first localized version are Doraemon and Sailor Moon. I still remember the excitement of my first episode of Sailor Moon. The non-official anime was translated by commercial source and boys they suck even now.

    Yu yu hakusho is good stuff, but we only read and play it, not watch it.

    Captain Tsubasa is very popular and all the series got translated eventually. We got most of the football manga genre translated I think. Even obscure stuff like Off-Sided.

    Voltes V is also great hit, though different name thank to translation from another country.

    Dragon Ball: all versions, baby~

    Did I say that book rental shop is a valid business even now in Vietnam? We read a lot.
     
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    Never knew about this, too.
     
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