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Is there someone among our acquaintances who can read Necronomicon without grievous harm to themselves?

The Devourer could, but do you really want to ask it a favor? Maybe Angartýr could too... the worst that could happen is for him to die horribly and return to life batshit insane.

I always wondered if such books retain their properties if you scan them and put the text through an online translator. A good portion of the horror should dissolve into a healthy laughter.

:prosper:

How small is the team we are talking about in 2B, and what constitutes a strong mind? Given the way the options are sorted (numbers in the ascending order, reliablity in the descending order) I suppose it's about 6 men?

About 9 or 12

Did Jacob and Sara mentioned the physical dimensions of the database? How portable is it?

Any of the options will have enough manpower to carry it through the desert.
 

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The Devourer could, but do you really want to ask it a favor?
Well, I wanted to add 'except the Devourer', but I thought this to be an obvious omission. :lol:

Maybe Angartýr could too... the worst that could happen is for him to die horribly and return to life batshit insane.
What about his third personality? Is it still in there? I mean, those species did some sick things themselves.
 

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B - The book might come in handy at some point but it would not be wise to read it. Maybe we can make a prisoner read it or something and interrogate the man.
C - Warrior Priests, they are bound to do something cool.
B - Given what the real crusaders did to Jerusalem the inhabitants of the city might just be willing to help defend it. It is a risk but a worthwhile one I think to avoid being cut off.
 

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B - Given what the real crusaders did to Jerusalem the inhabitants of the city might just be willing to help defend it. It is a risk but a worthwhile one I think to avoid being cut off.
What are we going to do with the firearms that do not belong to this age?

Or what arms are we going to provide the local populace with?
 

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We will arm them, of course, and the Janissaries will be born four centuries earlier.
:salute:
 

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What are we going to do with the firearms that do not belong to this age?

Or what arms are we going to provide the local populace with?

The arms that were already in the city used by its defenders and the surplus from the expedition. As for firearms, they already began to belong to this age as soon as they were used in Jerusalem. It is an inevitable consequence of such intervention in the Levant and of the attention it will draw. If you wanted for Vinland to gain a major technological advantage without much effort you should have chosen isolationism and giving up the retrieval of the artifact.
 

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As for firearms, they already began to belong to this age as soon as they were used in Jerusalem. It is an inevitable consequence of such intervention in the Levant and of the attention it will draw.
Still, so far we are the ones maintaining control over them. I thought it was about arming the citizens with our gear.

If it is going to be mundane weapons, I'll probably switch my third vote to 3B.
 

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Yeah. Almost, almost makes me feel bad about breaking the isolation of Vinland. The promise of even greater advances from the atlantean database however, should make up for it, once we manage to retrieve it.
 

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Assembly lines: old techniques are quickly becoming obsolete and costs for most goods are going down dramatically. As a consequence, there is even a growing pressure against slavery, because free workers are more people to buy valuables, and the economic usefulness of slavery is rapidly diminishing, in addition to the raise of moral and ethical objections against the practice.
But would they at least be willing to let people keep the pleasure slaves? No progress would diminish their economic usefulness.

Actually, where does our country land socially- and ethically-wise? The changes in society and philosophy might not be as rapid as with technology.

I kind of wonder where those breakthrough in medicine came from, with the slavery still rampant throughout the state.

What do our people believe in after we published the Book of Revelations? What is their stance on humanism, secularism, nationalism and other popular ideologies that are more common to 18th to 20th centuries than to 11th? Or was there not enough time to conceive them?
 

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But would they at least be willing to let people keep the pleasure slaves? No progress would diminish their economic usefulness.

As long as all that Atlantean science doesn't leak to Japan, because if it does...

:troll:

Actually, where does our country land socially- and ethically-wise? The changes in society and philosophy might not be as rapid as with technology.

Iceland was quite independent before the 11th century, more akin to a frontier Norse society composed mostly of free men than a medieval one composed of servants, and they inherited that. Most of the labor force in Vinland is made of wage workers who are not subject to the conditions the British workers of the historical Industrial revolution did because their country still is small, sparsely populated and exporting to natives ensured the demand is always higher than the supply and thus unemployment is too small to bring down wages to the pit. Ethically... their only difference compared to old Norse communities is the abandonment of human sacrifice and the end of judgement through combat. The general mindset

I kind of wonder where those breakthrough in medicine came from, with the slavery still rampant throughout the state.

Slavery never had a major economic role in Vinland, most of the labor is from paid workers. It is more of a luxury for the upper classes, and with the industrialization it became even more marginal in the economy. Nevertheless, many of the recent breakthroughs in medicine across Vinland happened through brutal exploitation of thralls as test subjects.


What do our people believe in after we published the Book of Revelations? What is their stance on humanism, secularism, nationalism and other popular ideologies that are more common to 18th to 20th centuries than to 11th? Or was there not enough time to conceive them?

A sense of nationalism is slowly growing across Vinland, and their vision on religious matters is essentially similar to Viking Age Scandinavia, with a few differences. Superstition lost its place in most of society, yet the belief in the metaphysical remains as strong as ever, and the Book's most immediate consequence in the population was not of a religious, but of a racial nature, for its content bolstered the people with a sense of superiority only having 180 IQ and titanium bones can surpass.

:ibelieveincleve:

Fortunately, while some daydreamers about equality exist, nothing resembling Marxism has been devised... yet. Nevertheless, if population grows too much, eventually the more serious problems of capitalism will begin, and then it will be only a matter of time for socialism to emerge as an ideology.

The dominant ideology in Vinland is libertarianism classical liberalism, although there is not too much opposition to existing interventionist and state capitalist economic policies and the strongest political movement in Vinland at the moment is the one which yearns for emancipation, followed by a growing movement which desires a Constitution to enshrine freedom of speech. Some of the enlightenment ideals already do exist, but things developed in a quite different route, because there was never absolutism within Vinland in the first place, and a monarchy never existed either.

tl;dr Perhaps I need to stop using vault-co.blogspot.com, /gd/ and /pol/ as sources of inspiration.
 
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As long as all that Atlantean science doesn't leak to Japan, because if it does...
I... I did not know this thread existed. I think I know what is in the book now.

Cassidy said:
Nevertheless, many of the recent breakthroughs in medicine across Vinland happened through brutal exploitation of thralls as test subjects.
So where do these protests come from?
the raise of moral and ethical objections against the practice.
 
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Let's not play with the strange cursed artefacts until we learn some more about what we are supposed to uncover. 2.
 

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2>1. There is almost always some sort of cryptic message on warning about these things.
 

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