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Out of curiosity, which would be his other great movie other than Alien? Because I see only mediocrity on the rest of his filmography, some better than other but still average.

I completely forgot that the shitty new Robin Hood was by Scott too. That's how memorable that movie was. Anyway, Scott movies.

Before Alien he made The Duellists or something, with Keitel and one of the Keach bros was it? Nothing special, had no Scott trademarks that I remember. Then came Blade Runner, a classic atleast visually. Followed by Legend, keeping a little of the visual style. Now of course following this, his bro made it huge in Hollywood with Top Gun and Ridley must have snapped because everything following Legend was a complete Hollywood wankfest. Black Rain was still watchable, that was preceeded by Someone to watch over me, never seen it that I remember, but it's all downhill from there.

Well duh, like it wasn't obvious that they were trying to patch up the inconsistencies in the original story. That's precisely one of the reasons why the premise in Prometheus stinks. Yeah the fact strange alien creatures are able to magically interface with a completely different bio-organism is pretty derpy, but coming up with some adhoc retconned explanation (lol alienz did human race, liek, isn't it obvious) is just as stupid, because it not only opens up a whole can of worms of fresh inconsistencies but also isn't guaranteed to make good story telling in the first place.

To wit:

That's precisely what they are not doing here. They are specifically trying to take the whole mystery out of the original premise by making it perfectly comprehensible (ho look, the xenomorphs are just bio-weapons designed by a race of space genetic engineers, whao). That fact that it somehow solves certain inconsistencies in the original premise doesn't mean it is magically less derpy then Cameron and his space-ants either. In a way, the latter is actually more consistent to the original premise in that the xenomorph is still an alien creature, rather then a laboratory experiment designed specifically to fuck with humans in the first place (pun not intended).

There's nothing mysterious or frightening about a bunch of space people engineering the entire human race as a joke, or as some sort of stepping point towards the development of some deadly bio-weapon (we were so wrong!!1). Derpy plot is still derpy, whether its consistent or not.

Well duh de duh.

I dont know, you would prefer space ants - i would rather have that "alien" as in mysterious incomprehensible something.
There is no blue people... what the "alien" is here we have no idea. That guy with interesting skin could be one of the crew that got upgraded.

And no Camerons space ants is not consistent with the original theme at all. Its one of the things that devalues the Alien as an Alien we like.

If it was me and i went down that route, the flowers/cocoons with facehuggers would have grown out of Aliens body, maybe when it died, using the body as resource.
No reason why not since alien itself grows incredibly fast and large without eating anything.

The rest is just interpretation conforming with your preference so its pointless to argue about it.
Well see.

It may turn out bad or mediocre but as far as this goes i quite like the direction.

All this CGI talk is very entertaining because reportedly, Ridley is avoiding CGI as much as possible and has built real sets. I think had you not seen Star Trek: Voyager and someone showed you the scenes of Enterprise going through multiple layers of the Voyager+, you would cry CGI just as well.

http://marclougee.com/2011/12/21/prometheus-ridley-scott/

You don't need 59K sq. feet for CGI.

Yeah, those shots of massive ships blowing up were totally not bad CGI.

So, what was first in Alien universe: the facehugger or the queen?

Obviously it'd automatically be better if it was done using stop motion instead.

Get real, when it comes to shooting scenes about giant starships crashing into each other, whether or not the special effects are CGI or models or whatever is not what matters to the outcome.

The egg.

neither. the first came out of space jokey.
at least as far as we know.

Well, in the director's cut version there is this scene towards the end where Ripley bumps, during her escape from the ship, into the captain and the retarded mechanic and they have been cocooned by the alien, but the retarded mechanic looks as if he's about to become an egg.

Really? I havent seen that. Still, as far as the first one is concerned -> :its a mystary:

I'm not shitting you bro, here:

It's a deleted scene restored in the remastered versions originally in the Alien Quadrilogy DVD boxset from way back (which had a major brotip for Lucas: Keep original theatrical versions on the goddamn disc). Still, what I'd really wish to see is the original ending where the Alien (I honestly never got the point of calling them Xenomorphs) kills Ripley and then makes a log entry in her voice.

Here it is:

The... alien makes a log entry? Does not compute.

Carceri
I believed it. I just havent seen it.
Thats a lot of slime the fucker can produce. Must be some nano alien replicator shit.

And then you get the sequel to Cameron and he has a brain fart of "You know what would be even more awesome than Alien? An even bigger Alien! And im talking two, three times as big! And we take care of the eggs too, because its the fucking Queen!"
And drones start applauding and Alien franchise goes down the drain... admittedly with a good space marines action movie, but it is irreversible.

Well, Fincher could have turned it around. Make Newt into the next Ripley and have Ripley get infested right at the start and die giving birth while in cryo sleep (he killed her anyway) and really took it to Earth... but, fuckit, after marines killed so many of them even being totally surprised and unprepared...
And there is a fact that species that must kill one being for each new member will just spend them all and then go instinct sooner or later because they will kill everything thats capable of supporting the eggs gestation or growth.
Or just stand there and look at the sky in a completely dead world. Or learn to grow at least animals. Which need something to eat. Alien farmers. :p

It just doesnt make any fucking sense.

Well, in Cameron's favor it should be noted that he probably never knew about that scene. That scene wasn't released until 2003 when Ridley Scott digitally remastered Alien and used some of the deleted material of the film into a new Director's Cut, majority of which is in the above Cocoon Scene.

Actually, Scott's 2003 Director's Cut of Alien and the 2007 Final Cut of Blade Runner show that the man is still one of the best film directors there are (even if his new movies after Gladiator have been poop) and actually understands the concept of "director's cut" and what you SHOULD do with digital remastering and what you shouldn't.

That was creepy as fuck.

EDIT: and one of the Aliens comic books actually tried to explain the biosphere and life-cycle of the Xenomorphs after Aliens came out. Did a pretty good job - their home planet being a literal Death World in that everything is killing each other - hence the alien colonies are fairly small. In that version, the Space Jockey was merely a inter-stellar Bio-Weapon trader who captured an alien Queen and a bunch of eggs, only to crash land at LV-421. Not bulletproof version, of course but close enough.

The same comic book dealt with the invasion of Earth pretty well too, where a crazed doomsday cult smuggled alien eggs (stolen from Weyland-Yutani labs, of course) into most of the major population centres, where their population exploded exponentially and the military couldn't wipe them out without nuking the remaining civilian population at the same time, leading to the evacuation of Earth into colonies & space stations. Again, not a perfect solution but much better than then derpy idea of one craft landing and bringing a single monster. Like that would be a threat at all.

GarfunkeL, military would have nuked them.
and there are no doomsday cultist in play. there is only corporations.

Also, this has to be done.



oh fuuuuck

His best, Blade Runner of course, even if its good mostly because of source material.

As much as I like Alien, it's practically haunted house movie, only with themes of impregnation, phallic and vaginal imaginary thanks to Giger.

Are those deleted scenes restored into the film in Scott's director's cut? Anyway, didn't they always have to be an engineered lifeform as a bioweapon? They need hosts for gestation and more lifeforms on top of that to build those cocoony things, the Gigeresque "biodecorations" (and possibly eggs). I think where Cameron really fucked up is if all the aliens need is a queen to shit eggs, then what's with those biodecorations? Some kind of environmental regulator for the eggs chamber? And indeed, how would the aliens sustain themselves once out of livestock? Or the queen keep shitting eggs?

Also, was it ever established what manner of method they employ for deep space travel in Alien universe? Colonial marines arrive at the LV426 an awful short amount of time after losing contact, so much that Newt is still a kid and alive. Couldn't be more than a year between the collapse of the colony and the USCM arriving at the scene. And they didn't seem to have FTL.

Neither of those are particularly funny. Hiver has lost it.

That was shot extremely well. Alien is a very story-lite movie, it's how the story is put to the screen that makes it a great movie (a good example is how many times the alien is hidden in plain sight).

I think they had FTL travel in Aliens, the trip from Earth to LV426 was a question a few weeks instead of months or years that was the case in Alien. Then again, Aliens happened 80 years after Alien.

-love it.

Comm back here! Where do you think youre going? Im your Father and youll do as i say!

heh heh...

Which is exactly why the comic added the cultists. A greedy corporation accidentally releasing a handful of aliens from a super-secret lab? Surround the facility, burn it all down or nuke the whole location. Problem solved.

Exponentially and rapidly growing alien infestation in every major population centre, quickly leading into collapse of even basic structures of society? Sure, turn the whole planet into a glassed parking lot. Human race is fucked in either case. Since the comic book had to roll with the canon/continuity that Aliens added, that was the best that the writers came up with. They also used Newt as the main protagonist instead of Ripley, along with scarred and shunned Hicks. As I said, not perfect by any means but a pretty good rescue of the whole thing.

That same comic book (sorry for bringing it up so much) tried to rescue this as well - the Queen and the whole "hive" went into hibernation when they ran out of livestock to use, where they could sustain themselves for long periods of time. The biodecorations were part of how they built their hives/nests on their home planet - the walls are perfect for the "drone" aliens to hide in, so they can easily ambush any intruders and so on.

Damn, now I need to dig up that comic book since it is actually the only good one I've read. Everything else is either space marines doing a bug hunt or RAPERAPERAPERAPE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(comic_book)
Yeah, it's the first mini-series, called "Outbreak". Had pretty good B&W art and made a good effort in trying to explain all the derp Cameron introduced in a semi-logical way.