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KickStarter Phoenix Point, the next game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

Discussion in 'Strategy Gaming' started by Infinitron, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Space Satangender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Goddamn I just want a NORMAL remake of classic X-Com.
    With budgets, instead of crap "supplies" and shitty puzzle-like funding from X-Com EU.
    With ability to lose several teams and still endure till the end.
    Without Earth is occupied\devastated\cleansed\blasted.
    SHIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
     
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  2. Jimmiousgender: ⚧ Magister

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    Play Xenonauts then
     
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    I assume you have tried OpenXcom?
     
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  4. Make America Great Again DarkUnderlordgender: ⚧ Bringing that old Raptor magic. Dumbfuck

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    Yeah, xenonauts gets me through my xcom fix whenever it arises.
     
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  5. Latelistenergender: ⚧ Savant

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    Openxcom is waiting.

    Show Spoiler
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    They're also porting TftD.

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  6. mwnn85gender: ⚧ Educated

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    I thought Xenonauts was completely mostly shit to be honest.
    Like the look of the characters/artwork but the whole thing feels completely bland and boring - like xcom with all the fun & tension sucked out of it.
    I don't think the new air combat added anything of value.
    I thought it was better than UFO Aftershock (etc) but that's not exactly high praise.
    I can't think of a single reason to play it over UFO/TFTD or even Incubation.
    Maybe I should've gave it more time but it just didn't hook me in.
    I don't think the cold war setting works and the combat felt sluggish - as opposed to the lethality of UFO/TFTD.

    :bravo:
    UFO/TFTD mixed with the 3D destruction that's possible in Silent Storm (or Red Faction Guerrilla) could be glorious incline.
    Never going to happen now though is it? The average attention span must be less than 10 seconds.

    I'm really enjoying Mordheim CotD atm.
    Hoping they do a good job of Necromunda.
     
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  7. mwnn85gender: ⚧ Educated

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    I know miss chances and the ballistic system - once added - should make the game seem a bit more dynamic.
    But it's still a step back from the UFO/TFTD battlescape.
    I've got a few reservations...

    The half cover/full cover system is virtually a gaming staple nowdays - thanks to Firaxis/Gears of War.
    It seriously limits where the player manoeuvres his units and makes it all play out like a puzzle game instead of a battle.
    I much prefer the UFO/TFTD battlescape where cover has a chance of absorbing a shot & getting destroyed.
    No silly damage reduction mechanics, etc.
    You're either shot and killed or not shot at all. Admittedly the battles featured higher numbers of units.
    To add to the above, I think this is one of the reasons why I disliked Xenonauts as well.
    Will he be able to make Unity do something better than what we've already seen elsewhere?
    I think better ballistics could end up on the chopping block :'(

    Also the bog standard riflemen seems a bit obsolete initially.
    He's got more movement but leaving him out of cover is a death sentence. His rifle and grenade are weaker than the heavy's minigun/rocket as well.
    In the early battle footage shown it looked like hiding behind full cover, sniping and/or using the heavy's mini gun/rocket is going to be the quickest way of clearing the enemies.
    Maybe I'm doing Julian a disservice - they might add an alien that could reflect ranged damage or absorb rockets.
    And I suppose the shield limbs which the aliens grow might necessitate movement - we'll just have to see.
    Not sure how they can balance out all the possible limb adaptions.
     
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  8. Stavrophoregender: ⚧ Learned

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    Wait, so xenonauts cover decreased damage dealt by aliens? That sucks, i thought it make them miss more.

    If you liked UFO aftershock, then try UFO aftermath, it's better.
     
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    Also Piratez - http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/Piratez
     
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    distructible cover should be a must

    edit: or shooting through cover with small calibers will inflict only a fraction of the full damage due to bullet energy loss depending on the type of cover
     
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    DevGameClub podcast interview with Julian Gollop: http://www.devgameclub.com/blog/2017/10/18/dgc-ep-083-julian-gollop-interview



     
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    New development update:
    https://phoenixpoint.info/blog/2017/10/29/new-jericho-starts-to-take-shape

     
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  13. ArchAngelgender: ⚧ Magister

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    That flamethrower concept looks cool. Heavy Armor with jetpack also looks cool :)
     
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    Because you can't make a nuxcom clone since the whole purpose of those is to never move forward and you can't make an X-com clone since it'll be even more tedious to move all those dudes around every turn.
     
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    One of the things we are working on as we refine the movement and turn system is game pace. We will be having larger squads that nuXCom, but we want the player not to have to micromanage each individual tile of movement, or constantly have to switch between soldiers and move a little at a time. We want players to just be able to commit to an action, and at the same time have the right UI information to eliminate the guess work (will I be in cover? will I have line of sight? will my grenade reach that far?).
     
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    :hmmm:
    Has there ever been any other squad based tactics games with working APCs or IFVs besides Fallout Tactics and Chaos Gate?
     
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    It reeks of X-Com Apocalypse real-time combat
     
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    No real-time combat. All turn-based, as promised.
     
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    Seriously, have you guys look into the feasibility of having a 'turn order based on speed/initiative/some equivalent stat' like in Battle Brothers?
    I think it's an improvement over 'aim to gangbang enemy before enemy gangbangs me', aka 'player-enemy turn order'.


    It addresses some of the things you are looking at:
    - Length of player's sequence will then be 1-3 units on average.

    - A turn ends when all units completed their actions, so it can still be used for time-based events/triggers.

    - Could consider implement a command(s) to change/disrupt the current-turn/next-turn sequence like 'Wait'/'Focused'/'Stats-Up-This-Turn,InitiativeDown-Next or its-reverse equivalent'/'SpecialAttacks-to-Delay-Enemy Sequence'
    > This will restore some of the tactical possibilities (due to loss of player's turn in controlling the entire squad at 1 go) and possibly open up impromptu creative actions/C&C, without overwhelming player due to juggling a larger squad.


    There is a good reference point on both systems by playing Battle Brothers and JA2 1.13 with a 10-man squad.
    UI pointers will also be aplenty on Do's-and Don'ts while playtesting.
     
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    Yeah I doubt this post is legitimate since Xenonauts is exactly that.
     
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    The New Jericho APC.. someone in the crew likes Stance/VIP style tunning style (they are absolutely disgusting, btw). It reminds me of this:
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    Send that person to reeducation camp ASAP please! When you add APC and FUTURE together, it should look closer to this:
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  22. Temesisgender: ⚧ Arcane Developer

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    Does Phoenix Point have (massively) destroyable environments a la original XCOM? What about yuge fires? :bounce: Just noticed this project while ranting about the new XCOM-games. It's hard not to get excited.
     
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    bump
     
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    I must say that I prefer the old design of the New Jericho APC to the new one.
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    Though neither really looks like an APC, these remind me more of armoured cars, you'll need stuff like crew passenger compartments and entry hatches.
    For example:
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