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KickStarter Phoenix Point, the next game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

Discussion in 'Strategy Gaming' started by Infinitron, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. oasis789gender: ⚧ Arcane

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    If you mean old xcom, battle brothers is pretty close.

    If you mean nu-xcom, there is Fort Triumph. I didn't like it.
     
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  2. Jimmiousgender: ⚧ Magister

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    There is also Massive Chalice which had a couple of cool ideas and is actually fun for a playthrough, but becomes repetitive after a while
     
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    Gollop has fantasy game series of his own with Chaos, Lords of Chaos, Magic & Mayhem and Chaos Reborn.
     
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    A fairly central part of x-com is starting out outgunned and then researching your way to parity or even superiority. That fits better with a sci-fi game than fantasy, although the latter is not impossible.
     
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    That would be a fair point if Phoenix Point itself hadn't thrown this out of the window. Can't quite find the quote right now, but I do remember Gollop saying that you'll have technological superiority at first in this one.
     
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    Both lack a strategic layer, so they aren't comparable

    Also, ugly art imho

    I think t's doable if you focus a bit more on the rpg side and make leveling and looting important
     
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  7. mwnn85gender: ⚧ Educated

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    I'd agree a fantasy version could be interesting although I'm rather glad that Pheonix Point is a spiritual sequel to Terror from the Deep.

    Maybe make the technology advances a bit like Age of Empires / Civilization or something?
    Caveman with club -> Knight with bow/swords -> Soldier with flintlock
    Mix a bit of magic in.
    A bit of a Mordheim theme.

    I think it's feasible...maybe
     
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    It's already been done. It's called X-Piratez!, and it's the best X-Com version there is.
     
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    "Creatures from the mist" is definitely a great setting hook. It's technically sci-fi but it couldn't be more different from cartoon aliens.
     
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    Narrow tactical advantage of superior firepower probably doesn't mean much while you can't neutralise strategic threat of the mist.
     
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    Not to mention the whole thing about the monsters is adaptation. You'll start off with shotguns that blow them to pieces, but they soon develop a carapace that deflects buckshot. Then you're fucked unless you build something new, gotta build up faster than they can adapt.
     
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    This, however, would work just as well in the fantasy setting suggested above. You start at the same or similar level of technology (or also magic, if that's what you're going for), and both you and the enemy need to research and evolve to adapt to the opponent's new abilities.
     
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    Not my point, but sure, it could work in 100 different settings. That doesn't make fantasy the best choice. So far I haven't seen a good reason for PP not to use the setting it does. "XCOM is also sci-fi" doesn't cut it, because the two are still very distinct.
     
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    Oh, I'm not saying it should be anything it is not. Just that you being outgunned as a reason for a sci-fi setting does not work here, that's all. I very much like PP exactly as it is.
     
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    Yeah, they are quite distinct.

    However i still don't get why all Xcom like games (RT strategic layer, TB tactical battles) are either Sci-fi or Mercenary stuff a la Jagged Alliance.

    And they keep doing that (see Xenonauts 2, Tastee, etc. etc.)

    I would pay (and many with me, i'm pretty sure) a full AAA price for a medieval Xcom.

    A castle as HQ instead of the Avenger, standard classes (Rogue, Wizard, Warrior, Priest, Pala) and an old Map who replace the Geoscape.

    Demons\Undead\Whatever invasion instead of Aliens.

    Considering that nobody did it, basically anyone could reskin XCOM and being original at the same time.

    Firaxis itself could do a spin off with just a reskin and little tweaks to add some new features and sell a ton
     
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    Here you go. Since the game is only $20 I will accept the other $40 you promised as a finder's fee. PM me for Paypal details.

    Also, your dream will come true again in 2019 if this project stays on schedule.
     
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    Massive Calice art is so ugly and confusing that ironically it seems more sci-fi than fantasy, and so cannot be included.

    Iron Oath seems fucking amazing tho, but he could end as vaporware.
     
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  20. Jimmiousgender: ⚧ Magister

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    Wtf? Is this being released in 2 days? Interesting.
    However it doesn't seem to have any sandbox-y elements a la XCOM, the campaign will be a "mission after mission" type of thing, if I understand correctly
     
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  21. ArchAngelgender: ⚧ Magister

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    On the forums they talk about some kind of investment into your soldiers. Also compare the game to Banner Saga and HoMM. I guess we will find out when it releases and people put out videos of the game.
    From pictures and videos on Steam there is some stronghold management, maybe that is the HoMM likeness they talk about.
     
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    Good find. It looks like they are mixing individual leaders and squads, which reminds me of Age of Wonders.
    But ...
    what is this heresy?

    Edit:

    cf next post
     
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  23. Jimmiousgender: ⚧ Magister

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    They apparently replied to that:
     
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  24. Galdredgender: ⚧ Generalist Patron

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    Too quick, you ninjaed me ;)

    btw, I would gladly play with a controller if it were a new Gladius. I really miss this game. It was fun in coop.
     
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  25. ArchAngelgender: ⚧ Magister

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    I would be lying if I said I found it. People at rpgwatch did. Their news editor actually finds lots of news and new games every day.. unlike Infinitron :P
    He spends too much time following Obsidian news outlets.
     
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