Pathfinder Online Announced

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I think the pathfinder mmo will be a lot more smallscale and more catering to a niche audience than wow and the like. It still sucks

Then why not a NWN game? It will take LESS resources than a MMO.

A Pathfinder NWN game would probably be even more work then a mmo (if they want to make it at least as good as NWN, and they would need to do better to get all the people who still play on persistent NWN worlds) because designing a good toolset is not that easy, NWN 1 was basically only the toolset, and it was pretty flawed when it came out.

Even if they would make a better Toolset, I bet most of the active NWN communities wouldn't want to start from scratch again (building a persistent world is a lot of work). So the only real use would be some modules, and we all know the quality of those.

If you wish for something better then a Pathfinder MMO, wish for a Pathfinder ToEE, not a Pathfinder NWN.

I got an answer:

Well, "answer"... Doesn't sound official.
MMOs are also a way around piracy (and so far I've never heard about good freeshards for any game). That's always an issue for devs. WoW scale bucks plus "no" piracy" might function as rose-tinted glasses *shrug*

Also very much this:

Or rather ToEE gameplay (and graphics) with NWN's module systems, DMing and persistent worlds.

I don't think you can mix persistent worlds and turn-based combat. A big city and suddenly somebody starts a fight in... the whole place changes from RT to TB.

I said it in my post, because investors don't want to fund NWN, they want to fund an MMO.

Then I'm blind... with rage.

While you of course have a point, time could go on normally for everybody not involved in the fight.
I've played MMOs with TB combat, but those had separate overland-movement and combat scenes.

That's a system full of exploits to be had*. Mixing TB and RT is a bad idea in a MMO (unless they're seperate from each other).

* For example: How somebody outside get to the combat? By walking in on the combat zone? Then people on RT side will gang up on one side of the combat zone, to fuck up the other party (if we're talking about PvP).

Then the players in combat phase into a separate "TB time". The only TB MMO I played was Wakfu, and only for a couple of hours, but I handled it quite well, although a bit too limited, restricting the area of the fight and the ability for other players to join the combat, IIRC....

Anyway, the combat is my main concern here, I'm very curious on how they will approach it.

Uhm, where is it "full of exploits to be had"?
You mention one aspect that can be as easily solved as having consensual PVP (if any).
I'd prefer TB single player Pathfinder game anyway. Just saying that there are TB MMOs. I never said they were good.

It's a smart move for them.

It's a shit move for Kickstarter.

Not the first step in this direction, that incredibly jinxed project TAKEDOWN did the same thing...even worse, what they were after was not money for a tech demo, just money to grab the attention of publishers. They can easily say that no publisher was interested and keep all the money...

<3 Pathfinder but who gives a shit about a fucking MMO? Certainly not me. Fuck them.

Maybe if the mmo is a succes they can make a single player rpg later. Just because you don't like mmos it is not necessarily a bad thing when they make one.

Uh-huh, keep telling that to yourself.

Heh, says the one with the Obsidian Kickstart Poll.

Uh-huh, sure body. Whatever you say.

Rayn wants another 50k or 2000 bakers in total.

If they reach 2000 bakers, you get an additional level beneath Thornkeep, designed by Jason Buhlman, and the community decides the flavour of the dungeon.

Now you might asking, what is all the money for, since it is only for a techdemo? Well, Lisa Stevens (CEO and founder of both Paizo and Goblinworks) says:

Are we paying for something so we can pay more later, or might this be a chance to get a finally another UO? I sure love me some paizo, but somehow I don't like the way they are doing this.

i was hoping 2000 cakes

thanks fens, I really missed that.

Now, small update:

They managed to get 250k for the techdemo and improved the thornkeep book significantly with levels from Ed Greenwood, Jason Bulmahn, James Jacobs and Erik Mona. 100$ Backers also get two flipmats. whitch is pretty cool imo.

"Real" Kickstarter is now live: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo

Haven't read the Kickstarter yet, only watched the Video - "The players are the content". Release 2016, or with "stretch goals" 2015.

I'm extremely dissapointed, they took all that money and made a very generic tech demo that in absolutly no way showcase ANYTHING about the game... seems like any hope of this being a unique MMO that fully explores Pathfinder is long gone...

They say they got private funding, clearly this new kickstarter is just a dumb ruse to squeeze some more money...

Exactly.
But look what you get. In other Kickstarters you got the whole game for 15-25$.
Here you pay 35$ for a on month subscription (of a game that'll probably be/come fp2 anyway).
And the tech demo looked really awful. No UI, no character sheets. Meh. Good thing I have Chaos Chronicles coming up to scratch my D&D-style gaming needs.
But it'll be interesting to see if this shameless money-grubbing will work out.

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