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All the victims were people Maer had previously ordered assassinated.

e: vvvv - whoops, my bad

Er... that was all a joke. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the net. Yes, it was funny.

In 1.05, you can really turn it into a disease thanks to plotting (90% success at 100% plot power, but if fail wait for years or finish with old assassination)

And even if you finish with old assassination, you'll have to wait for years before you can reuse the plot button...

As for how you achieve 100% plot... I've found a simple, easy, and very effective against INFIDELS / HERETIC, way to achieve it: Matrilineally marry your non-spymaster genius plotters (they should be your courtier, not your vassal) to the target's court, and re-invite them once your business is done

and in other news, after abstaining from playing for some weeks (stopped approx 3-4 years after the fall of Norway) i decided to play a session of CK2 last night, which turned out to be very, very interesting.

first, 10 minutes in, King Erik The Conquerer (the young raper of Norway) dies very mysteriously (butthurt norwegian?), and since he didnt have time to get a male hier (just a daughter), a younger relative took the throne (8 years old=regency), 1 minute after he is crowned, every duke/dukette/mayor on the map screams "REBELLION!!!!!111oneone" and the whole kingdom cracks into chunks, and every minute after that a new "THIS IS WAR! REGARDS DUKE DOLAN" pops up on my screen.

then after some futile attempts to salvage the situation by me, the young boy king is assassinated (by someone) annulling some 9 of the 11 rebellion declarations, leaving me with a new teenage king from the main family, who is somehow very well liked by everyone except the Duke of Skåne (AGAIN) and the dukette of Gotland, who declare independence along with Norway and Kola.

so i hire a merc company (Kievan Brothers i think it was) and invade Skåne, this time after it falls again, i make sure not to see that fucking duke ever again by revoking his dukal title and have his throat slit, and take Skåne as my own.

invade Gotland, taking it, doing the same there, invading Kola, smacking his 400 army to the side, hanging the rebellious count from a tree on the very tip of the Kola peninsula.

and then, Norway again.

now this is a real nut to crack, i have no right of invasion on King Magnus of Jämtland, the new king of Norway, and he has cut Sweden in half since the Duchy of Norrland went to Norway in the Short War of Anti-Regency.

i try asking the Pope for invasion rights, but since the old one who liked me died some years ago the new one says no, so that is a dead end, i think about sending my bro and get a claim, but that would take years and prob mean a new war and invasion of Norway, which might not go so smooth this time.

then i take a look at the new King of Norway, and notice that i am appearently his heir, and i got a 66% chance of my assassin killing the guy, so i place my bet, and a knife in the back later Norway reunites with the Swedish Co-Prostperity Union, or the Swedish Empire simply put.

some years pass, HRE and Byzantium goes all out on the Shiia Empire, Scotland wins wars against England and Ireland, Hungary comes into posession of Vitebsk, Novgorod loses some provinces to Hungary, then gets them back again, Cumans do nothing (are they really the Mongols?) and i join a Crusade against Antioch, grabbing Malta and Knossos on the way over there with a Crusader unit i hired, landing along with HRE troops, coming toe-to-toe with a muslim doom stack of about 6500, thanks to the HRE army of taking the muslim horde head on, i managed to sneak around them and siege Antioch, but another doomstack arrived and finally crushed my dreams of a Swedish Kingdom of Jerusalem, the HRE not faring any better, only Byzans got some provinces.

HRE went into turmoil after that, some dukes rebelling (Brunswick, Mecklenburg, Mantua, Bohemia and Savoy), and im not sure what went on down there, but Brunswick fell, Bohemia went back into HRE, Mecklenburg and Mantua became independant, and Savoy is still fighting.

i declared war on Mecklenburg on the behalf of a courtier with claims almost as soon as they became free, won the war easily with troops from Denmark, installed the courtier as a vassal Duke.

built some stuff in the Empire, then watched as Novgorod finished off a dukal rebellion, clicked on him, relz are good, happy neighbours and all, and noticed the "Offer Vassalisation" tab is open, so i send it away just for lulz, a few days later he merrily accepts.

that....has never worked before.




(red shows the new landmass added)

not really sure what i did to make him say yes, every other invitation i sent during the game to others has been rejected.

so here i am, with even more land to govern that i didnt really mean to aquire. oh well, i guess everything will turn out just OK.

He has to A: Like you, B: Be significantly weaker than you, and C: Be close to you, D: Not hate your religion. Since it seems like those points were met, I guess he agreed, perhaps because he was in bad shape.

And maybe E: Not a king (for emperors), because when I try to vassalize them there's a modifier "I am a King!".
Another strange thing, kingdom within dejure empire have the option to swear fealty to the dejure emperor, but otherwise cannot...

I started playing this game because of this lp.

It's pretty fun. I need to get better at the scheming part though. So far I seem unable to make any progress without WAR!

I do that a lot, too. Schemes kinda take awhile to come to fruition, during which you...have to do SOMETHING...so...WAR!!! For the most part, I prefer to get what I want through wars, but there are a few esoteric things you have to scoop up without too much warring, such as if you want to own the Varangian Guard, the Mamluks, or the Ghilmans....even these, you can get with a war, but there must be scheming, since you cannot just simply war for them.

what i miss in this game is making alliances without have to marry daughters off.

and selling/buying provinces.

MOAR!

You can, let me teach you one other way to do it:

Usually the brother of a king is pissed off with the king because he wants the kingdom, so what you can do is:
1. Invite this brother to your court
2. If he have wife / children, you may want to kill them
3. MATRILINEALLY MARRY him to your daughter
4. There, you get an alliance, your daughter stays with you, and you get a chance to inherit the kingdom if they do produce offspring

Of course, this works on other title levels too

At the end, sadly it's still marriage , but at least you get a better terms?
Another way to gain alliance is if another country is of your dynasty, you'll get a long-lasting alliance as long as his line hold the position

Wait, you MISS this? This was in the game, EVER? As far as I can tell, you can't even trade titles, like an "I will make you a Duke of a Tasty Contiguous Duchy if you return this county-that-doesn't-fit-anywhere". And that the ability to do any of these things has never been part of any CK game.

I am not really sure how lines backtrace that way, unless the offspring produced can also be made your heir. Otherwise you would have to do this with a non-Agnatic title and a son, probably the retarded reject one, by marrying him off to a princess in the line of succession, waiting for them to produce offspring, then killing the titleholders down until your princess gets it, then killing her so the offspring gets it, then killing that, then killing the son. Not sure if this same thing can be pulled using a daughter instead, since it would probably revert back to someone on their side of the fambly.

In AGNATIC-COGNATIC primo / gavelkind, it will go to your daughter & if she dies, to you / your eldest son (not sure which one)
In AGNATIC primo / gavelkind, it will go to most senior member of dynasty unless this new king of your dynasty have a legitimate heir already (source: myself, coz my empire is a muslim empire which is hardcoded to agnatic). The good news is that the most senior member doesn't seem to realize this fact until he inherits, so most likely he won't plot anything

If you have elective, you can simply elect your daughter if you want to avoid all these assassination

miss it as in miss it from Europa Universalis, not miss it as in miss it from Crusader Kings 1.

sit down and breathe for awhile will ya, sheesh.

i really want to get rid of those german provinces i got now, and some of the always rebelling russian ones, also buy english held Oslo, that red pimple in my face aggro me to no end, and all i got to remedy it is a casus belli to invade England, which i have no interest to do atm.

Okay, so, say, I'm going after an Agnatic-Cognatic Kingdom: I invite and then marry that brother matrilineally to my daughter. I kill their king. That brother inherits. I kill him, his offspring with my daughter inherits. I kill him...where does the title go? Back up to the family of that original dynasty, or up to my daughter?

Should be your daughter, since the title falls to your dynasty it won't go back to the previous king's dynasty

I guess... what you need is a CB to invade HRE?

.....well, yeah that would work too, only problem is that i would prob loose a couple of provinces more then the ones i want to loose if that path is taken.

i may dwarf the HRE in landmass, but i can only field half of their total number of troops, and think of the vassalage hell i would sink down into if i would come out victorious from such an endevour.

funny thing is i actually had a Claim the Whole Thing casus belli on the HRE back when i invaded Denmark.

It is fun... in its own way...
This is the situation I'm in: with ~1.8k holdings, I command 23 vassal kings and hold ~20 king titles myself (I think 4 of them titular), I actually used the level 2 speed almost all the time, timing my actions days after the last one finished (plots, vassalage, wars, siege rush), and even when I want to speed up there will most likely be ~3 rebellion popups every month, or disease outbreak... Score-wise, I'm already 160k, way "above the Capet house", but the micromanagement hell...
Now that I think of it, I guess I spent a majority of my time distributing demense to vassals...

Oh, did I mention that all the vassal kings are of my dynasty? In fact, all vassal dukes & kings, both direct, and indirect, are of my dynasty. My dynasty has almost 900 members & 680 of them are still alive... 5k family prestige, and all my vassals are entangled in alliance web, so if one vassal declares war (such as holy war) it is equivalent to be in war with half of my country...

Yes, Kayerts, where's THE UPDATE?

I started playing this game because of dis thread.

But Odin still demands an update.

If this doesn't move on soon I'm going to start rounding up animals to sacrifice to Odin in the hopes that it might help. I'm serious, think of the kittens. Don't make me do it.

I had this properly monocled imperial sequence written up very prettily, but I lost it to a system crash. Anyway, no bellicose pontificaters or kitten violence necessary, although the rest of this weekend looks pretty bad. I'll aim for early-mid next week.