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Picked up the NWN Ultimate Edition for 1.50 a few months back, installed but stopped playing after 30 minutes. Bought Fallout New Vegas at the same time, still playing it now. Possibly the best 10 bucks I spent on a videogame since Total Annihilation in 1997.
 

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Aerie was basically a great troll character.




She's probably the first recruiting member you meet in BG2 and usually these characters are pretty good all around.
Then you see she's a priest/mage. Un-fucking believable ! All the magical goodies in one place !
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Then you realize she sucks at both being a priest and a mage...

:troll:


But wait, you say, at least she's a classy and and intelligent sexy elven beauty.
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Then you have a closer look at her avatar...
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:troll:



Oh well, at least she's bound to have some interesting conversational pieces...
:rage:
Oh boy, I'm sure you weren't prepared for the ubelievable amount of whining and crying from that annoying emo elven bitch.

:troll:


And if you take it all the way to the end, she has your baby and you get married...

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Lord Bhaal, WELCOME TO HELL.

:troll:
 

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I remember replacing her with Nalia and Keldorn very very quickly.
 

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I'd like to know who designed BG2's portraits and what's his/her obsession with things attached to the character's hair.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Aerie was awesome. Best BG2 NPC and was the only one with a guaranteed spot in all my parties. It's funny when you have multiple romance options too because they fight over you at times. I could practically feel David Gaider sucking my dick while begging for spare change.

ghostdog's right about her being a great troll too. I wonder what all the femcunts who sperg over Bioware's more recent creations think about the fact that fucking romance options was tied to their alignment, with the good girl only having sex with you when emotionally vulnerable and dumping you if you take advantage of it, the neutral girl putting up some resistance but giving in eventually and the evil one strapping you to a desecrated lich tomb and serial fucking you to death.
 

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

Having even one such person means you have to cut down the party size by half or two-thirds just to get them to level as quickly as a normal party would. Keep them in a full party, and they are just weight you have to drag until they are of a high enough level to function properly.

But by the sounds of it, it seems I was not patient enough to wait for them to get better. I guess I prefer classes that are functional from beginning to end.
 

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

Having even one such person means you have to cut down the party size by half or two-thirds just to get them to level as quickly as a normal party would. Keep them in a full party, and they are just weight you have to drag until they are of a high enough level to function properly.

But by the sounds of it, it seems I was not patient enough to wait for them to get better. I guess I prefer classes that are functional from beginning to end.
From time to time I play with multi classed characters. It's kinda fun but I must say I find the idea of the Fighter/Mage/Thief completely stupid.
 

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Infinitron, how exactly did you stumble upon this info? Do you deliberately search for news to post on the Codex or do you frequent other forums and they mention the stuff?
 

Infinitron

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Infinitron, how exactly did you stumble upon this info? Do you deliberately search for news to post on the Codex or do you frequent other forums and they mention the stuff?

I think I found it on the NWN Wikipedia article. Don't remember why I was reading it.
 

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In case of Viconia you could change her alignment to neutral and she got assassinated after the game complexion so she was :incline: over Airie and Jehaira... only tricky part was to not let her and Kelborn the Bro to slaughter one another in the beg ginning. Imagine this NPCs who has the will of their own. :smug:
 

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

Having even one such person means you have to cut down the party size by half or two-thirds just to get them to level as quickly as a normal party would. Keep them in a full party, and they are just weight you have to drag until they are of a high enough level to function properly.

But by the sounds of it, it seems I was not patient enough to wait for them to get better. I guess I prefer classes that are functional from beginning to end.
I used both Aerie and Jaheira and did just fine with a full party. Yeah, they get higher level spells a bit later than a single class character would but I wouldn't call them useless at all.
 

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

Having even one such person means you have to cut down the party size by half or two-thirds just to get them to level as quickly as a normal party would. Keep them in a full party, and they are just weight you have to drag until they are of a high enough level to function properly.

But by the sounds of it, it seems I was not patient enough to wait for them to get better. I guess I prefer classes that are functional from beginning to end.

wyrmlord cannot into ad&d o_O

the point of multi-classed characters is using synergies between two (or more) classes.
For example if you play a fighter/mage like a single classed fighter or mage you are doing it wrong. To be effective you could focus on spells that require you to hit in melee to work, so you can take advantage of the lower thac0 of a fighter/mage. Just blasting fireballs won't cut it.
 

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I don't know why, but if you want a party with only the classic classes, you're forced to pick an evil party (i.e. with Viconia, Korgan and Edwin). Never understood that design choice.
 

Wyrmlord

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

Having even one such person means you have to cut down the party size by half or two-thirds just to get them to level as quickly as a normal party would. Keep them in a full party, and they are just weight you have to drag until they are of a high enough level to function properly.

But by the sounds of it, it seems I was not patient enough to wait for them to get better. I guess I prefer classes that are functional from beginning to end.

wyrmlord cannot into ad&d o_O

the point of multi-classed characters is using synergies between two (or more) classes.
For example if you play a fighter/mage like a single classed fighter or mage you are doing it wrong. To be effective you could focus on spells that require you to hit in melee to work, so you can take advantage of the lower thac0 of a fighter/mage. Just blasting fireballs won't cut it.
My complaint was about the slow leveling.

Did I say anything about good or bad tactics?

Gosh, how some people switch goalposts.
 

Wyrmlord

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PS: All of these things can be done by a Human who duals from one class to another and reactivates his base class. Without the slow leveling. I have done fighter/mage duals when I played the BG series.
 

aleph

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My complaint was about the slow leveling.

Did I say anything about good or bad tactics?

Well, slow leveling is only a problem with bad tactics. Multi-class characters are already quite powerful if played right, faster leveling would make them overpowered.

PS: All of these things can be done by a Human who duals from one class to another and reactivates his base class. Without the slow leveling. I have done fighter/mage duals when I played the BG series.

True, it can be done, but you have to play a fighter for a while, then struggle with a low level mage until you really can play a fighter/mage and use synergies (and your fighter class won't progress anymore, though this is not a huge drawback). With multi-class characters you can use both classes from the start, especially useful for different combinations than fighter/mage, cleric/mage for example really shines as multi-class compared to dual-classed humans.
 

~RAGING BONER~

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9 levels of fighter...then dual-class to whatever you really want to play and get all that glorious HP plus some decent combat ability.

makes rogues absolute beasts, mages too, but the latter are already bestial as is.

i Don't play clerics, i'm a militant atheist when it comes to divine magic.
 

Wyrmlord

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Lord, I hate these multi-classing elf and half-elf characters.

I finished MOTB for the first time with a Sorcerer/Paladin/Red Dragon Disciple/Eldritch Knight

:M

And this was what made playing the few NWN 1 modules with some C&C and good plot bearable, considering how banal, shit and boring combat is, it is better to rush through it with a total munchkin PC. My favorite however has always been Rogue/Shadowdancer, in both, and probably in 3.5 ed PnP too were I to participate of one.

As for the OP subject... really, from what wasn't cut, all that can be concluded is that if such plot wasn't cut, it would be even shittier.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love these 3ed multi-classing builds, since they are fun. Like Drow Dreadmaster of Bane/Sorcerer/Monk solo in ID2 HoF.

I was talking about the 2ed half elf multi-classes, where you level with two classes simultaneously. So if you earn 6000 XP, you split it between three different classes - 2000 XP as a Fighter, 2000 XP as a Mage, and 2000 XP as a Thief. Instead, it is much easier to earn 6000 XP as a Bard.
 

Xavier0889

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In case of Viconia you could change her alignment to neutral and she got assassinated after the game complexion so she was :incline: over Airie and Jehaira... only tricky part was to not let her and Kelborn the Bro to slaughter one another in the beg ginning. Imagine this NPCs who has the will of their own. :smug:

That happened if you romanced her. If you didn't, she got to kill Drizzt just because she wanted to, which is far more exciting than having a half drow baby with her.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I don't know why, but if you want a party with only the classic classes, you're forced to pick an evil party (i.e. with Viconia, Korgan and Edwin). Never understood that design choice.

If by classic you mean base cleric, fighter, wizard and rogue, only Viconia really counts. Edwin's a specialist and Korgan's a berserker. Edwin and Viconia were in BG1 as well. Incidentally, good also has someone that counts (mazzy). Ironically, Viconia being a dull cleric is a gimp because none of the cleric kits have any downsides. Also, if you include rangers, paladins and druids as "classic classes" then evil gets swamped.
 

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The three i've cited are powerful single class characters, that's what i meant. Paladins and ranger i didn't count because their base class is already somewhat of a mix, and BG2 being the first D&D game i ever played, i remember wanting to have a better feel of playing with core classes before trying the more elaborate ones. I wanted to play good but only evil characters were powerful and core class. And a lot of the goody-two-shoes were hybrid classes with mediocre stats (who in their right mind would play with Anomen ?), and frankly the other mages couldn't compare to Edwin.
 

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if you want a party with only the classic classes, you're forced to pick an evil party
Rather, if you want to play evil party, you're forced into "core" classes.

hybrid classes with mediocre stats (who in their right mind would play with Anomen ?)
A late bloomer and needs a patch to bring back his lost profiency points. Then you have one of most powerful characters in game and probably the best cleric. He is perfectly-timed dualed fighter who can reach high profiencies in most badass weapons in the game, that battle medic one-man-army will later run around crackling with Holy Mights and all other spells buffing him into a demigod level, swinging Crom Fayer and blowing undead into bloody chunks just by power of his beard.
 

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