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The Denuvo DRM Thread

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but things seem slow and on a case-by-case basis.

That seems to be the biggest issue with Denuvo, a global solution doesn't really seem possible.

It kind of makes sense considering how Denuvo works. The best hope is that people get better at defeating it so releases get cracked faster.
 

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i pirate anything non incline, only thing i bought this year is Animu fighter V
 

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Megacorps are fags, piracy puts the power back in the hands of consumers where it belongs. With indie devs it's more morally gray, but I never pirate their games anyway.

I used to pirate a lot more, mostly old games where the developers are long dead or popamole shit I don't want to support, but now if I don't want to pay for it I hardly ever bother going to the trouble of pirating it either.
 

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For me pirating things is just a reflex sometimes. I actually downloaded Stranger Things from usenet a couple of days ago, even though I have Netflix. Don't know why, I just did. Guess piracy is still more convenient in my mind than actually using the legit way of getting content.
 

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For me pirating things is just a reflex sometimes. I actually downloaded Stranger Things from usenet a couple of days ago, even though I have Netflix. Don't know why, I just did. Guess piracy is still more convenient in my mind than actually using the legit way of getting content.
it IS more convenient and that's a fact
 

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What a shocking coincidence, an owner of a copyright enforcement service has anecdotal evidence that piracy is bad.

What benefits do you think we'd see exactly if piracy just stopped overnight? Who would benefit?
 

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Suits afraid of piracy = suits who don't want to admit they don't really know how to sell stuff to people who have content just one click away.
NOLF and other cases are the first examples of shitty corporate behavior when it comes to this. But think of industries with longer histories, like comics. Often, when a company hoards a property, it means that sometimes everything before 1970 in printed media might not be available in the future. The archivist in me is terribly butthurt about this. Some companies have worked ways to prevent this, but when they aren't overpriced, they force you to accept DRM.
Which is weird. There's a lot of people willing to pay for stuff out there, no matter the format. I think the change from physical to digital is telling us the difference between casuals and diehards. Everything was a niche and nobody was realizing it because they only had one option.
 

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Don't be ridiculous. These sites clearly don't exist, who would make porn if nobody was going to buy it from them? Obviously the porn industry died decades ago when people started taping it on VHS. Filthy pirates have destroyed the porn industry, the music industry, the film industry, television industry, book industry, and destroying the video game industry is only a matter of time.
I never said that piracy kills the industry, I was just arguing about piracy being theft or not.
 

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Whether it's theft or not is meaningless semantics. Watching gameplay on youtube is theft too apparently. Muh inturrlectual properties! Buying games second hand? Totally theft! How dare you deny publishers their god given right to all the jew gold. Making a backup of your game in case the disc is damaged? Fiend! Monster! How dare you rob the industry of their chance to sell you the same game twice!

You can call whatever you want 'theft' and the law will back you up when you've "legitimately" purchased said laws with your lobbyists and totally-not-bribes.
 

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Do you even need to pirate that though? Clips from the legit websites are always given to porn sites for free as advertisement for their paid content.
Lol! Who downloads porn in this day and age? Hello, we have dozens of on demand sites. Another shitty example to justify stealing.

What about wappanese porn doujins?

Anime?

Music on youtube?
 

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If a game has no demo version, you have all rights in the world to pirate it and don't give a fuck.
 

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Also we're all pirating these avatars, which are the intellectual property of various developers. Bastards should all have your hands cut off for this blatant theft.
 
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Whether it's theft or not is meaningless semantics. Watching gameplay on youtube is theft too apparently. Muh inturrlectual properties! Buying games second hand? Totally theft! How dare you deny publishers their god given right to all the jew gold. Making a backup of your game in case the disc is damaged? Fiend! Monster! How dare you rob the industry of their chance to sell you the same game twice!

You can call whatever you want 'theft' and the law will back you up when you've "legitimately" purchased said laws with your lobbyists and totally-not-bribes.


Bro help me understand something, why are Codexers jewing you so hard over IP's they don't even own lol? Nothing better than socially stunted Codexers with Japanese avatars pointing at you and going "YOU DIDNT PAY FOR THAT!"
 

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Whether it's theft or not is meaningless semantics. Watching gameplay on youtube is theft too apparently. Muh inturrlectual properties! Buying games second hand? Totally theft! How dare you deny publishers their god given right to all the jew gold. Making a backup of your game in case the disc is damaged? Fiend! Monster! How dare you rob the industry of their chance to sell you the same game twice!

You can call whatever you want 'theft' and the law will back you up when you've "legitimately" purchased said laws with your lobbyists and totally-not-bribes.


Bro help me understand something, why are Codexers jewing you so hard over IP's they don't even own lol? Nothing better than socially stunted Codexers with Japanese avatars pointing at you and going "YOU DIDNT PAY FOR THAT!"
Unfortunately in this world, people have to pay for things they don't own.
 
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Whether it's theft or not is meaningless semantics. Watching gameplay on youtube is theft too apparently. Muh inturrlectual properties! Buying games second hand? Totally theft! How dare you deny publishers their god given right to all the jew gold. Making a backup of your game in case the disc is damaged? Fiend! Monster! How dare you rob the industry of their chance to sell you the same game twice!

You can call whatever you want 'theft' and the law will back you up when you've "legitimately" purchased said laws with your lobbyists and totally-not-bribes.


Bro help me understand something, why are Codexers jewing you so hard over IP's they don't even own lol? Nothing better than socially stunted Codexers with Japanese avatars pointing at you and going "YOU DIDNT PAY FOR THAT!"
Unfortunately in this world, people have to pay for things they don't own.

Some people have to, the beautiful people dont.
 

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Whether it's theft or not is meaningless semantics. Watching gameplay on youtube is theft too apparently. Muh inturrlectual properties! Buying games second hand? Totally theft! How dare you deny publishers their god given right to all the jew gold. Making a backup of your game in case the disc is damaged? Fiend! Monster! How dare you rob the industry of their chance to sell you the same game twice!

You can call whatever you want 'theft' and the law will back you up when you've "legitimately" purchased said laws with your lobbyists and totally-not-bribes.


Bro help me understand something, why are Codexers jewing you so hard over IP's they don't even own lol? Nothing better than socially stunted Codexers with Japanese avatars pointing at you and going "YOU DIDNT PAY FOR THAT!"
Unfortunately in this world, people have to pay for things they don't own.

Some people have to, the beautiful people dont.
Or rich.
 

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Oh gawd we have those piracy is theft morons on the Codex now? Jesus Christ. Decline everywhere.
 
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Remove from inventory -> Theft
Create unauthorised copy -> Copyright infringment

You can argue they are morally equivalent if you like, but thats a different thing than claiming they are identical events.

Someone should post this at least once every page until the self-congratulatory high-dudgeon stops.

Also, lol at people who get self-righteous about how they, at least, have the manful strength to be self-loathing pirates. If you actually think its wrong, don't fucking do it.

Assuming for the sake of argument you are correct, its way better to be deluded than to consciously choose to be a hypocrite.
 

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Just to chip in, in quite a few civilized countries downloading copyrighted content for personal entertainment is not penalized. I believe it is rightly assumed that the customer is neither obligated nor equipped to double check if a source is legit.
Unauthorized distribution, on the other hand, actually interferes with some bloke's property right as you are in fact stepping in their shoes.

When you copy content, you do not get to "own" anything in the context of intellectual property. Or, nothing is removed from an inventory, as was duly established some years back.

Otherwise, carry on.
 

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Which brings up another point I wanted to make a while back, but completely forgot about until now.

The current situation that everything nowadays is copyrighted, trademarked and yes, even under patent, is a recent one. Patents date back 500 years, but they started out a beneficial contract between a craftsman coming up with a new design and being forced to disclose it publicly - meaning that coming up with new ideas was encouraged.

Today, these same forces (referred to here on as Intellectual Property, or IP) stifle creation and discourage people coming up with new things and ideas. Even the patent office is being abused to block people's creative impulses, or even worse, wrongly credit people for the designs/ideas that they stole, i.e. rewarding the thief.

I'll admit that I saw this in a TED talk (or possibly a precursor to the TED talks) but when IP was applied to musical records around the turn of the 20th century, people predicted (correctly) that it would signal the death of the music industry. Before that, there was little question about the author of a musical composition (unless the piece went uncredited to begin with) and the faculties existed that could tell when someone was trying to steal/borrow/replicate a piece of music from another source. But with the arrival of easy-to-make audio recordings, combined with the ensuing accessibility of music to the masses, clearly someone thought that something had to be done. Instead of people having to go outside to a concert hall to see a full-fledged band play a certain piece of music, people can now just buy a machine, a copy of a recording of the same music, and enjoy it at home at their leisure...and likewise making copies of that same music that the people footing the bill for the recording wouldn't be seeing. That wouldn't Do. The resulting action caged music into a box that slowly and surely squeezed the life out of it, to the point that it's utter garbage in this day and age*. This was presented in the talk as "a neccesary act of enforcing rights" for the betterment of all.

In contrast, a Supreme Court ruling in the early 20th century removed the ownership claim of landowners to the skies above their land - otherwise various flying machines would have had to pay a fee to every landowner whose land they flew over, which would have not only created an immense bureaucratic nightmare, but also stifled the progress of avionics in general. This was presented as a "necessary act of revoking of rights" for the betterment of all.

The point I'm making, is that the concepts of ownership (and the rights that go with them) can change and adapt depending on circumstances. Hopefully people will realize that having too strict IP laws will be death of creativity, but right now we have the exhausting battle that IP owners hold all the cards, and are constantly asking for more draws from the now-empty deck. Releasing a creation should net you some assurance and protection, but not for the length of two lifetimes! And they all forget the basic fact that once something you created is released, it no longer belongs to you, no matter how many times you plaster your name on it, or try to enforce your IP. Because at the end of the day all of those creations are little more than ideas, and the gargantuan efforts needed to stop an idea are only available to a select few, and they take decades to accomplish. Once unleashed, an idea will take on a life of its own, and quickly grow beyond the scope and vision of its creator. And yet, that's exactly what IP is trying to do - claim ownership of ideas. If an idea released to the public results in immediate accusations of theft by people that claim ownership to other ideas, people will be less inclined to come up with new ideas. Even worse, it creates this huge box around the very concept of ideas, and with every idea that gets IP slapped on it, the box grows fuller as it shrinks.

Which is probably the plan from the start: To control the creative output of Mankind. This is why I not only condone piracy/stealing in general, but view it as a necessary act of dissent. Because the current system is broken as fuck and works against its intended goals. Therefore, we must dissent in the hope that the system comes crashing down.

*In my opinion two things happened in the 20th century that delayed the inevitable death of the music industry: The Jazz scene and the Hip-Hop scene (and to an extent DJ'ing as well). Both scenes rely on the core concept of fusing two or more schools of music together to create something new, something that in most cases was improvised on the spot instead of following carefully written music sheets, and in both cases is better experienced live and in-person instead of perused from a recording. (The fact that both of these scenes were pioneered and cultivated by black people will probably lead to some interesting reactions from dindu-loving KKKodexers, but that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.)
 

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Can't torrent that 2015 eroge anymore. :( Gotta buy it off dlsite. Feels bad, man. Luckily it's 50% off.
 

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