Game News Shadowrun Returns Kickstarter Update #84: Next Shadowrun campaign to be Kickstarted in January

[StaticSpine]

Define RPG

 

[Jaesun]

It has more RPG elements than anything BioWare or Bethesda currently shit out....

 

[Infinitron]

Haven't you heard? It's not an RPG if you don't play a hobo who travels from town to town, slaying monsters, fetching items for people, and (in more advanced RPGs) choosing in each town whether the GOOD FACTION or the EVIL FACTION wins!

 

[BlackAdderBG]

SRR is more in common with tactical games like SS and JA.Put against them ,or even their numerous russian clones, SRR is pathetic.What RPG elements are even decent?Branching story?Meaningful character development?Good itemization?Non-combat solutions?Deep and varied turn based combat?Some even calling it RPGOTY

 

[GloomFrost]

I am so sorry I hurt your feelings. Please don't cry.

Why should he cry when he can just enjoy a good (but not great) game, instead?

Haven't you heard? It's not an RPG if you don't play a hobo who travels from town to town, slaying monsters, fetching items for people, and (in more advanced RPGs) choosing in each town whether the GOOD FACTION or the EVIL FACTION wins!

Obviously in "proper" RPGs like shadowrun you do not need to travel from town to town or join any factions or think about character build, hell you don't even need to think about what lines to choose in dialogues. Who the hell needs all that silly nonsense anyway when you can play as an elf who shoots fireballs!!!! RPG of the year. Actually no RPG OF A DECADE, no less.

 

[naossano]

I am not trying to argue about it not being RPG enough. I can't even argue about not being Shadowrun enough.
All i could say is that as a game, it is good.

 

[majestik12]

Sweet. More C&C and more diverse flavor choices in dialogue would be nice, but I'd back even if they choose to not expand in that direction.

 

[eXalted]

The game not being quite an RPG doesn't prevent it from being a game itself, and a good one.
You don't have to be an RPG to be a good game.

It has always been to me something like Adventure game with strong RPG elements...whatever that means.

 

[tuluse]

Have HBS hinted that they would make the game mechanics more complex? Or is it just a pure content expansion?

It's literally just a picture.

I would imagine it would be similar to Dragonfall with minor mechanical improvements, but focused on delivering another story.

 

[Ninjerk]

Have HBS hinted that they would make the game mechanics more complex? Or is it just a pure content expansion?

It's literally just a picture.

I would imagine it would be similar to Dragonfall with minor mechanical improvements, but focused on delivering another story.

So... which is it?

 

[thesheeep]

I am not trying to argue about it not being RPG enough. I can't even argue about not being Shadowrun enough.
All i could say is that as a game, it is good.

Exactly. Nobody states that it is a great RPG. I hope. Because it really is not. The character development is okay, but the character system itself too shallow.
And there is no real C&C.
But besides that (and being too easy on every non-hard difficulty), it is still a good game.

 

[Shannow]

Wizardry is not an RPG

Spoiler

And now I'm going to go cry because I pity Gloomtard for being so stupid. *tearsofpity*

 

[DeepOcean]

Great, I wish they add the Astral plane, even a simplistic version of it like they did with the Matrix on Shadowrun would be better than nothing or implement the stealth mechanics they had to ax on Shadowrun Returns. One of them or both would be great, anyway, even if they don't add new mechanics, this will be .

 

[Visperas]

They really need to improve on what they have. Simply another campaign would be very disapointing. Also, I'm playing Dragonfall now, barely starting, but I don't see many improvements. Dialogue seems completely skippable, combat mechanics, character progression and itemization are exactly the same... Where are the improvements?

 

[naossano]

What the astral plane would do ? Is it another kind of playground, like the Matrix.

I enjoyed a lot the matrix, especially in the APEX mission. It really bring the turn-based gameplay to a whole new dimension.
It really feel like many important things are happening at the same time, which increase the tension.

 

[Jaesun]

Great, I wish they add the Astral plane, even a simplistic version of it like they did with the Matrix on Shadowrun would be better than nothing

Yeah, I would think this would now be do-able in this new upcoming game, since I'd assume they will be using the same engine and could then incorporate that. I too would love to see that added.

 

[tuluse]

combat mechanics... are exactly the same

Look closer

 

[eXalted]

Yeah, I would think this would now be do-able in this new upcoming game, since I'd assume they will be using the same engine and could then incorporate that. I too would love to see that added.

Weren't they advertising Shadowrun Returns with this? I remember reading something in the Kickstarter like "every character type can see the world in a different way".

 

[Darth Roxor]

What the astral plane would do ? Is it another kind of playground, like the Matrix.

In very basic terms, yeah.

 

[GarfunkeL]

They really need to improve on what they have. Simply another campaign would be very disapointing. Also, I'm playing Dragonfall now, barely starting, but I don't see many improvements. Dialogue seems completely skippable, combat mechanics, character progression and itemization are exactly the same... Where are the improvements?

Director's Cut or not?

Also hopefully we'll get both stealth mechanics and Astral Plane. And some tweaks/adjustments that move the game more towards JA2.

 

[Zetor]

Great news... I'm really interested to hear what they're planning to do with the engine. Dragonfall DC is pretty much stretching the limits of what you can reasonably accomplish with it, and the limitations have to be pretty glaring at this point. On the flipside, major engine rewrites would break compatibility with UGC, so who knows.

Either way, d1p for me!

 

[Visperas]

Yeah, it's the Director's Cut and I've noticed minor improvements in combat mechanics like UI showing total armor and stuff but, well, I expected more. A lot of people here is saying that Dragonfall is a lot better than the previous one and I'm not seeing it.

 

[Infinitron]

Yeah, it's the Director's Cut and I've noticed minor improvements in combat mechanics like UI showing total armor and stuff but, well, I expected more. A lot of people here is saying that Dragonfall is a lot better than the previous one and I'm not seeing it.

It's about the area design and quest design.

 

[eXalted]

And the cover bonuses. Cover is now halving the damage and there is no way to do critical on someone who is behind "full shield" cover. For more information you can see here - http://harebrained-schemes.com/blog...l-directors-cut-dev-diary-3-combat-mechanics/

 

[Visperas]

Yeah, it's the Director's Cut and I've noticed minor improvements in combat mechanics like UI showing total armor and stuff but, well, I expected more. A lot of people here is saying that Dragonfall is a lot better than the previous one and I'm not seeing it.

It's about the area design and quest design.

Yes, I'm starting to see that. The upgrade in combat mechanics (cover included) are also nice. I'm just craving for a proper inventory and item management, stealth and other things still lacking. I hope they'll be adding those features in the next one. I don't know if I'll finish it 'casue Dead State and Neo Scavenger are in queue and I feel like I've already played this game, but it's ok.