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Fallout New Vegas is the best Obsidian game ever

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Invictus, May 15, 2018.

  1. FreshCorpse Novice

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    The trouble with this comparision is that no one plays NV without mods and they haven't for maybe 5 years. Between all of the unofficial patches, 4GB hacks, anti-crash protection, project nevada, etc, contemporary players don't really get a sense of what it was like when Obsidian stopped patching it (or even at release...).

    I feel uncomfortable giving Obsidian the credit for creating a great game when it seem like without modders it would be a lot less unenjoyable. If I had experienced the crashes that people had at launch I might have given up on NV before making it to the strip.
     
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  2. Kyl Von Kull Magister

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    I sat down and played it for the first time in late 2015 with no mods on my initial run, not even Josh's mod, and I still loved it. I wish I'd played more than fifteen minutes of it on release but I just assumed it was more Bethesda tier garbage. That and at the time my gf would pull out her castrating knife whenever I booted up a game.

    Vanilla F:NV is a great but janky RPG; modded it's a fucking masterpiece.
     
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  3. Invictus Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Saying that New Vegas is great because of mods is unfair, all Bethesda games since Morrowind are better because of mods but Morrowind is still way better than Skyrim in spite of them; all the shinny graphics or super models of the Wasteland dont make a shitty game better but do make an already great game like NV one of the best
    For this playthrough I mostly stuck to fixes, patches, unused content, a few graphic mods and that is it (no project nevada either) so this playthrough is probably as vanilla as the game could have been with 6 months of extra polish and it is still fucking amazing... I spent more than 5 hours playing last nite and enjoying the heck out of it
    Can’t remember the last time I did that but probably the first time I since Artorias of the Abyss DLC for Dark Souls way back in 2012
     
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  4. taviow Arbiter

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    I think it's agreed upon that all of Bethesda's games are shit without some degree of modding, so it's only fitting that NV would be the same.

    Obsidian does deserve a lot of credit for excellent worldbuilding, compelling faction mechanics, solid main and side quests (no randomly generated shit whatsoever) and well written companions, none of which Bethesda has accomplished now for many, many years.
     
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  5. Sigourn Arcane Village Idiot

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    You are not wrong. Especially when it comes to bugs. But Obsidian did create a fantastic RPG framework in New Vegas. So great in fact, that you only need to tweak numbers here and there. Other RPGs would require to be rebuilt from the ground up.
     
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  6. FreshCorpse Novice

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    I have the impression that New Vegas was released in a worse state than Morrowind. I played Morrowind at release on the original xbox and it worked ok. I finished the main quest on the xbox. Take another view: if Alpha Protocol had been made in Gamebryo maybe modders would have fixed the bugs and people would like it more. I don't know for sure, I haven't played it, but that seems like a possibility.

    New Vegas at release used to crash while saving. I tend to just stop playing games that have that problem. I bet a lot of other people do too.
     
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  7. Master Learned

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    NV has great world building? How do we explain the functioning and just the existence of the Legion then? Ridiculous.
     
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  8. Zed Duke of Banville Arcane Patron

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    In my first playthrough of Morrowind (on PC, of course), I forgot to install a patch until I was nearly finished. Still managed to make it through without any serious bugs. :positive:

    Morrowind was undoubtedly the least buggy at time of release of all the games made using Bethesda's Gamebryo-derived engine --- and also less buggy than Arena and Daggerfall.
     
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  9. ilitarist Learned Illiterate Village Idiot

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    Easy, with 5-minute long infodump in the intro.

    Bethesda/Gamebryo games are fine without mods. I am yet to see any mod actually improving the game. Apart from unofficial patches, ui mods and texture packs (and even those are limited) I am yet to see any mod that makes the game better. You get something like Requiem for Skyrim that claims to bring roleplaying back - but hilariously has even more broken balance and mostly makes your way on being all-powerful demigod more miserable because of one-shot archers and removal of early companions. Maybe radio mods for Fallout games can be OK but one I've tried had managed to use lore breaking songs somehow. 4GB patches and fixes may make FNV better but not by much, Project Nevada is a mess.
     
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  10. Invictus Arcane The Real Fanboy

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    Funny you should mention that because I actually played a Fallout 3 today and it is much worse than NV with crashes and freezes, I even got the latest patch and set compatiblity for Windows XP but I had at least 5 crashes (and one while saving) in one gaming session and NV I have had maybe 2 in more than 30 hours of gaming
    Maybe the GOG version of NV is more stable or whatever but it was really noticeable
     
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  11. ilitarist Learned Illiterate Village Idiot

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    Steam version of Fallout 3 even says it's not optimized for Windows 7 or later versions. Which is funny because Fallout 3 GOTY was released on Steam after Windows 7 was released. Reviews say that you have to do some work to launch it and even then it's not great.

    Gog version has Games for Windows Live! patched out from Fallout 3. If I had to chose I'd probably use it. I don't have F3 on Steam or GOG so I can't check but if I'd wanted to play it I'd use GOG version. Steam FNV works fine for me.
     
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  12. Swampy_Merkin Novice

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    I broke F:NV when I sneaked into Caesar's tent and planted a bomb under his chair. Proceeded to watch his bug-eyed corpse launch straight up and crash down and then sneaked right out, no problem. The rest of the game, the Legion proceeded as if nothing had happened. Also....it crashed every hour or so. Great game.
     
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  13. FreshCorpse Novice

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    Well, the legion continues without Caesar. There is this other guy...
     
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  14. ArchAngel Magister

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    Kotor2 > Mask of the Betrayer.
     
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