Metagaming (maximum lore) thread, updated

[Whisper]

Metagaming to get maximum knowledge of game world with 1 character. You will miss a lot events since they require combat but you can aquire most knowledge peacefuly.

Class: Non-fighting, peaceful loremaster (praetor?).


While you can grab points of interest with different characters and its easy - for example you can fully explore Abyss within 4-5 minutes of gameplay by doing prior 2 quests in Teron - but getting most (all?) knowledge with 1 character will be challenge.

Build:

Str 4 Dex 8 Con 4 Per 8 Int 9 Char 7
- You need 12 (Con+Dex) for 2 powertubes in sewers. Dex events happen more often that Con. Int 10 for max % skill points.

 

[Mozg]

Don't pick Cassius over Feng unless you're doing some path that guarantees you can go to Al-Akia, 'cause for a lot of backgrounds Feng will end up blocking you from taking the option to go with Meru in Ganezzar.

If you want to see the whole creepy "throw people into the Arch" thing without buying a lot of persuasion/streetwise, keep Esbernus alive in Teron. He'll let you buy his slaves to throw into the Arch instead of you having to get safe sane consensual adults to get eaten by a demon god.

 

[Shadenuat]

I am playing game 4th time and became God once already yet I still have no idea wtf is you need to do at the Arch and what uses Ghostglove has. Probaby because I never worked for Gaelius/ignored my guild quests. But really wtf.

 

[Whisper]

From another thread:
- Learned much of the old world; from storytellers and loremasters (Cassius, Abukar, Erebus, Ordu Keeper of Tales) and from ancient databanks (Saross, Inferiae, Zamedi, Ganezzar, Hellgate, Al-Akia).

-> You need 8 Perception since Feng lower Perception check in Abyss to 7 only if you dealt with Cassius. If you dealt with Cassius, than you need to join Dalatan house to get enough rep to talk to him. Possibly vital in Grain of truth quest.
If you join Dalatan, you dont have enough rep to join house Aurelian. Also you miss Darius tomb quest if you go to max Dalatan rep.

Abyss solved:

- Killed a god, Glaath-Zor, in Abyss.
You need 8 perception, 7 Int but that is covered. Also 8 lore. And working gas mask (you need to spent power tube on it - check - unless sewer mask is already powered).
Note: you need per 8 to get lore from scrolls so -1 Per from Feng is not so useful.


- Found (and repaired) what I assume are most, if not all, fragments of old technology. Power armor, bolter, nullifier, the bomb, the airship, the arch. Had to skip repairing the mine and the energy bridge though.
- Stopped another god, Balzaar, from entering the world.
- Entered the arch portal and returned alive.
- Would have killed a third god, Agathoth, as well... if the game wouldn't become one-way trip when entering Ziggurat. Meh. So, I never went to the Ziggurat even though I had opened multiple routes in.
- Became the One God.

Still gathering info on this.

 

[Whisper]

Don't pick Cassius over Feng unless you're doing some path that guarantees you can go to Al-Akia, 'cause for a lot of backgrounds Feng will end up blocking you from taking the option to go with Meru in Ganezzar.

If you want to see the whole creepy "throw people into the Arch" thing without buying a lot of persuasion/streetwise, keep Esbernus alive in Teron. He'll let you buy his slaves to throw into the Arch instead of you having to get safe sane consensual adults to get eaten by a demon god.

Esberus is kept alive as given since he gives you 1 power tube.

I can finish Grain of truth quest without Cassius? Also how i can prevent Cassius as non-combat loremaster from entering palace? Thus dismissing Feng from Teron. Do not talk to him at all?

 

[Whisper]

Tubes:

Respirator: 1 tube (needed for Abyss).
Glove Ghost hand: 3 tubes (needed for Arch)
Gun: 1 tube (?)
Hangar control panel: 1 tube (needed)
Power armor: 3 tubes (needed for Arch)
Smelter: 2 tubes (dont need, blue steel crafting).

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Where to get tubes:

Aurelian outpost: 1 tube (easy)
Sewer magi-location: 2 tubes (4 lockpick required)
Curio trader: 1 tube (1500 gold)
Hangar: 1 tube.
Imperial guard at the pass: 2 tubes (only possible to acquire if playing as an Imperial Guard, even though several paths can lead you to the pass).
Guy who wants his house back: 1 tube (not possible to acquire this AND the power armor).


If Arch requires working power armor and ghost hand this means you need 6 tubes, also 1 for resp and 1 for hangar.
You need 8 tubes.

Unless you are IG (cant do as peaceful loremaster), you can get 5 tubes.

 

[Mozg]

Power Armor doesn't have anything to do with the Abyss. And in fact it's impossible to get PA in the Maadoran chapter, after which the Abyss is permanently closed to entry.

I guess you could actually use the str/dex bonuses from power armor to get through the Maadoran well/sewer thing though.

 

[Whisper]

About Arch:

Opening it requires the ghost hand and the augmented eye. Actually entering it requires all of that, the powered power armour, the aegis and I think you need to be balzaars servant aswell.

This means 6 tubes, since u need 1 tube to get 1 tube (hangar), you are short of 2 tubes at least!
Not counting 1 tube for respirator (but possibly they took Str/con route). How people manage it?

 

[Saark]

2 tubes can be bought from some guy at Harrans pass btw, you can get there by being IG or by joining House Aurelian.

 

[Whisper]

2 tubes can be bought from some guy at Harrans pass btw, you can get there by being IG or by joining House Aurelian.

Cant be IG as peaceful loremaster.

About house aurelian: i heard this merchant only sells when you are from IG.

Also, how to get quests from aurelion boss galleus once you join him not early in teron. He doesnt give me any quests after i join. He gives though quest (darius tomb) if i repair smelter (= -1 tube, cant do it).

 

[Mozg]

I'm fairly sure you can buy the ghost hand/tubes as an Aurelian Praetor in Harran's Pass, as long as you pick the right path through it (basically, be peaceful when you get there, don't sneak out in the night, and the next day you get to walk around the place and shop normally). I dunno if you can end up with two ghost hands that way.

 

[Saark]

Cant be IG as peaceful loremaster.

About house aurelian: i heard this merchant only sells when you are from IG.

Also, how to get quests from aurelion boss galleus once you join him not early in teron. He doesnt give me any quests after i join. He gives though quest (darius tomb) if i repair smelter (= -1 tube, cant do it).

I think you can pledge loyalty to him after showing the map to domitius. You only get locked out of joining him if you start any other faction-quest in Maadoran before visiting Domitius (you get escorted to Gaelius right after showing him the map). The only "important" thing you will miss that way is Darius Helm of Destiny. You can buy the tubes without being affiliated with the IG whatsoever, I did it multiple times. You will have to bring some cash though.

You can buy the ghost hand/tubes as an Aurelian Praetor in Harran's Pass, as long as you pick the right path through it (basically, be peaceful when you get there, don't sneak out in the night, and the next day you get to walk around the place and shop normally). I dunno if you can end up with two ghost hands that way.

You can talk to the vendor right when you go there, the only thing you need to do is convince Bass (the IG captain in charge of the place) that you are just a loremaster travelling through - or any other solution that makes him not kill you on the spot for that matter. Once you're in you can talk to this guy sitting outside the quartermasters office who sells the loremaster stuff, and the blacksmith. And yes you can and most likely will end up with 2 ghosthands this way.

 

[Whisper]

I think you can pledge loyalty to him after showing the map to domitius. You only get locked out of joining him if you start any other faction-quest in Maadoran before visiting Domitius (you get escorted to Gaelius right after showing him the map). The only "important" thing you will miss that way is Darius Helm of Destiny. You can buy the tubes without being affiliated with the IG whatsoever, I did it multiple times. You will have to bring some cash though.

I enter city, immediatly show map to domitius, get escorted to Gallius, then i pledge loyalty to house Aurelion. Than no quests, only option in talk is "good buy".

 

[Whisper]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/230070/discussions/0/618463738406656200/

2. You need CON + INT >= 14 simply to survive the process. You need either the Mind Shield ability, the Helm of Destiny (one of Gaelius' quests), or the prophet's drug coc

Mind Shield is no-no, Helm of Destiny you cant get (since it is = - power tube). Will there be trouble at Meru's quest?

 

[Mozg]

I think if you joined/started with any faction in Teron without cutting it short by helping the Aurelians at the smelter, he doesn't trust you to make you an Aurelian agent even if it's the first thing you do in Maadoran. You get a chance to turn coat to Aurelian as a Daratan Praetor or (I assume, haven't tried it) if you never affiliated with a faction.

A few factions get a chance to turn coat in Maadoran to become Aurelians but I don't know if they give you a chance to do the Harran's Pass part of Gaelian's quests.

 

[Saark]

Hm, not sure why you're locked out of Gaelius quest. Maybe you actually have to be a praetor of his house to get it, not sure. He will promoted you after Darius Tomb, so maybe that's the trigger.

I always joined house Aurelian by fixing the smelter. Missing that one powertube isn't that big of a deal. You still get one from the curio trader, 2 from harrans pass, 2 from the lockbox in the well and 2 in hellgate, which is enough for the power armour, the ghosthand aswell as the respirator. You also get Darius Helm. You can do Merus quest with either 7 CON or the helmet.

 

[Shadenuat]

I always joined house Aurelian by fixing the smelter.

Oh so that's how you friggin join them. Not very intuitive since so many characters already begin loyal to guilds/Antidas; even Drifter beginning tells you to visit Feng/help Antidas.

 

[Mozg]

The Daratan Praetor gets a chance to switch to Aurelian by killing some assassins that would otherwise croak Gaelian (depends on a perception check to notice them, I think). I'd bet you can join Aurelian by just doing the map quest for Antidas and leaving Teron manually without ever joining any faction too but I haven't tried it. It would probably take about 5 minutes to test by making a new Loremaster with enough persuasion to get Dellar to let you talk to Antidas right away.

Edit - so quick to do that I did it, and I was wrong, you don't get started on the Aurelian questline by going there unfactioned.

 

[Whisper]

Corrected: Perception 8 is NEEDED for surgical kit (not sure why you need it, getting info) in Samoss library.

 

[Saark]

Well, one doesn't necessarily exclude the other. As far as I'm aware of it joining a house overrides any faction you have joined in the previous chapters, Gaelius specifically says so when he asks you to pledge loyalty. Same goes for Meru, joining him is possible even if you are a praetor of House Aurelius.

Now that I think about it, pledging loyalty had an [Etiquette] trigger at some point for remembering how the pledge actually goes, maybe that has something to do with some people not being able to join House Aurelius?

 

[Whisper]

Well, one doesn't necessarily exclude the other. As far as I'm aware of it joining a house overrides any faction you have joined at that point, Gaelius specifically says so when he asks you to pledge loyalty. Same goes for Meru, joining him is possible even if you are a praetor of House Aurelius.

Now that I think about it, pledging loyalty had an [Etiquette] trigger at some point for remembering how the pledge actually goes, maybe that has something to do with some people not being able to join House Aurelius?

1. I did join house. Have "Liegeman (Aurelian)".
Just no quests, no further things to do from Gallius. I know i missed Darius tomb (need join early, losing -1 tube), but where is quest for Zamedi tower?



2. With Con+Int = 14, i can pass test without helm?

 

[Saark]

You will probably have to become a praetor of the house, which is most likely connected to your reputation with the house.

I did the test with 7con and 10 int, so I wouldn't know. I am fairly certain that it only requires CON though.

 

[Whisper]

Have 5 atm. No clue how to raise it.

Seems only way to get quests is to join early...


Also how to prevent Cassius from taking over Feng spot? Or i need Cassius for Grain of truth quest?

 

[Saark]

Depending on how Maadoran goes for you you can acquire 2 jars for the healing machine to boost your CON up to 7.
You will most likely have to kill Levir for one of them though, and that fight isn't exactly easy.

 

[Whisper]

Depending on how Maadoran goes for you you can acquire 2 jars for the healing machine to boost your CON up to 7.
You will most likely have to kill Levir for one of them though, and that fight isn't exactly easy.

I plan to do non-killing walkthough.

Where to get jar/healing machine without killing?


I got +10 hp from machine during assasin walkthough. Had to kill levir.