'Mature' RPGs

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I agree. But I don't see maturity as necessarily desirable in an RPG.

It is game companies/devs that are trying to use "maturity" as a selling point. Because they think we care. Truth being that games are becoming more and more childish and stupid, and the term is used just as a buzzword with no substance in it. It is an attempt by game companies to distract game buyers from what really matters in a game like design/gameplay, and in which they are inadequate.

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While maturity is not necessary (the mentioned games can be played by and understood by a teen kid, after all), they also lack immaturity, which is why it is also okay for adults.

When playing a game and the characters start throwing themselves at my dick, I see it as an immature attempt at incorporating sex into the story.

Sure, anything can be mature if done right. But these kind of depictions of sex are not automatically mature by themselves.

Well, I'm not dissing the teenage boys, I'm dissing the adults who still play immature games about grinding goblins and gathering loot. If they'd stop doing it, the industry might stop doing only games which appeal to kids AND adults.

Sorry, I don't know why I wrote ME 2. I haven't played it. Was thinking more about ME1, DA, Witcher, etc.

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The Sims. You have to get up, go to work, take care of your kids, etc...

Ultima 4-6 beat the Witcher because they have a strong exploration component and more compelling tactical combat. The Witcher was a one-trick pony, and the interactive components of the narrative were designed to be irrelevant in terms of gameplay.

Planescape beats MotB because the story in MotB was pretty bad and Planescape was deeper with more strict limitations on what a character could do based on their past behavior and attributes. And I found the immortality gimmick to be cooler than the spirit-eater gimmick.

I guess I'm more lenient with animu, movies and tv because it's a more passive activity than playing the vidya, so the retardation and wish fulfillment doesn't bother me

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nah, the maturity really kicks in when modders make even better genitalia

you know that even the community has achieved maturity by then :singletear:

mature is when you have game designers spend hours modeling and texturing high quality dicks and vaginas

That's all I wanted to hear

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MotB had way more C&C than PS:T did.
Also, since when are we determining the quality of a story based on the amount of C&C in it?

The moment it's hyped as mature by the marketing boys, it pretty much loses it's credentials for being mature. From then on, the game has to be marred by whatever retarded bullshit marketing/publisher said about it and no doubt forced into the game.

It'd be like Catcher in the Rye: The Game, and the marketing dep. shows a youtube video of Holden calling "No Homo!" and snapping the neck of his teacher that tries to hug him. Not very mature even if the story could of been ok.

All in all, I don't think any game should have "Must be mature" in it's design notes. Just tell the story and stop trying to be edgy and whatnot.

political allegory
deconstruction
(pseudo) realism

Those are probably the only things that are considered "mature" in fiction at the moment, bros.

Mortal online is Soooooo Mature, dark and gritty:

http://h.imagehost.org/0473/MOboobs.jpg

Mature is different from good.

I'd call 'mature' stuff that which is only suitable for adults. That can be because it has sex and gore or whatever, or simply due to sophistication. For games, it might be that they are too difficult.

Bioware games manage to be immature despite including lots of sex and violence. This is because they aren't really dealing with sex or violence, but rather peddling pop-culture stereotypes of the same. Despite how 'extreme' they try to be, they've just toned it down because you can't take it seriously.

Conversely, of course, you don't need sex scenes or head explosions to be mature. See Dostoyevsky.

Most games aren't mature, as their primary market is adolescent, or at least catering to its puerile desires. Some games can be enjoyed by adults without completely embarassing themselves (JA2, Thief or XCOM spring to mind). But I can't think of a game that makes a meal of 'mature' stuff and pulls it off. Perhaps thats the point.

See, when an RPG is marketed as "mature", that means it has content enjoyed by teens and young adults with immature tastes; nudity, swearing, excessive gore and grimdarkness.

The alternative to a "mature" RPG in today's market being a "kid friendly" RPG, like Pokemon or Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

I don't think we have a buzzword in common use today for games aimed at adults and young adults with mature tastes... other than casual, which is more of a slur than a buzzword.

A mature game has to have a lot of cussing. Like Fallout 3, god damn that game is gritty. Some kid in that game told me to fuck off.

My definition of a mature game would be something that's too sophisticated to be understood by adolescents. Tbh, we haven't really seen those kind of games in the recent years.

It has nothing to do with 'recent years'. Every single game ever made primarily targets teenagers or younger. Recent or older games, no difference. There has never been a game having 30 year olds as the primary audience.

Maturity in a game probably always has different meanings for different people.

Personally I think maturity is an issue, or the more easily detectable lack of it is an issue.

My particular take on maturity means I have a very hard time immersing myself in a classic jRPGs, it makes me cringe when I see retarded cliches like comically retarded characters, and it makes sigh when they claim to shove space hamsters up their ass. Just a couple of examplese.

Sometimes the lack of maturity is not tied to the quality and style of the writing and atmosphere alone but to developers trying too hard to be funny by appealing to the lowest common denominators. Absurdity and general cheesyness dont amuse me, they severely detract from my enjoyment of the game.

I suppose this is the case with many other gamers, probably quite a few of which are under 20 so isnt all about the player age.

Similarly like other posters said maturity in marketing terms is also based on the lowest common denominators and geared mostly at teens with low standards. Still I think even the marketing trend is a step in the right direction.

So the importance of maturity in games probably has to do not only with the richness and complexity of the setting, or confronting the player with situations involving mature themes and all that...but also wether you as a player enjoy games that take themselves seriously so to speak.
I personally prefer those who do take themselves seriously 90% of the time, of course if for example the game's plot is inconsistent or something like that it becomes hard for the player to take it seriously from his perspective.

So I think a truly well done mature rpg not only has to take itself very seriously in every aspect it also has to have the right mixture of ingridients for the player to take it seriously as well.

Your statement is obviously false. There are many games (even commercial games) that target an audience much older than teens.

None.

What? They may not target kids but teens? Most certainly. Even more, if you don't like complicated games that require thinking and calculating as a teenager than the chances you start to find them fun later are quite low because you haven't learn the skills needed for this kind of entertainment when learning anything was actually easy for you, or at least easier than when you're older.

I see you and raise you a Patrician 3, a game for brrrrrrains.

hey, what game is that, i recognize it somehow.

SSI?