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Baltika9

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Why? Jing is the best fighter and stealth specialist of our group, with the street smarts to back it up. It's bettef to go in al OK ne than with the Justice League that will just draw the attention we don't need on our search. I agree that Lady Suien would be the besg puck, but we just won't have it so let's go to second-best: Xu Jing alone.
 

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Why? Jing is the best fighter and stealth specialist of our group, with the street smarts to back it up.
A variety of reasons, one of them being the fact that the secret police does not fight with the same methods that the orthodox pugilists do - so your martial prowess might not be as decisive a factor if it comes to a confrontation, and the other - well, this is Youxia City. You need someone to watch your back here.

Anyway, if you look at the spreadsheet I provided, you'll see that you people only need to add D2/3 and E3/8 to your votes to drown out D7/E7. That will be more effective than trying to convince the others of anything.
 
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Well, you are voting to put Fu on duty question the girl and the servants, and our other detective is locked for being with Cao'er...
It is kind of strange to use that as a reason. She wouldn't be if you don't vote for that.
That was kind of my point - he'd have a detective if he weren't voting to put him elsewhere. As for the female detective, it'd take quite a lot of flops to shift her around.
And assisting the constables in hunting criminals and apprehending ruffians is slightly different from searching for the secret agent of the eunuchs, as the latter requires something more than just brawn.
It takes more than just brawn to find even common criminals, but I do agree that a secret agent is an entirely different level of difficulty. Some base skill is better than none though. I'm hoping that the chief (and our other leads) can give us some insight as to where Xiaofang might be hiding.
 

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Lambchop19 said:
That was kind of my point - he'd have a detective if he weren't voting to put him elsewhere. As for the female detective, it'd take quite a lot of flops to shift her around.
If you think F7 is a good move (or at least better than F1), flop to it. If she does not shift assignments because there are not enough flops, you do not lose anything. If she does, you are getting a better result. It's a win-win scenario.
 

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Nah. I don't think it'd be better. I want her with Cao'er. Besides, now that I think about it, she flat out told us she doesn't like talking to people. It seems like Fu is more of the active one and she's the bookworm. Fu would make the best addition in 7 in my opinion. I may flop to that.
 

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Nah. I don't think it'd be better. I think we need her with Cao'er. Besides, now that I think about it, she flat out told us she doesn't like talking to people.
We don't need her talking to people. We need one of the constables with us to gain an insight into what Xiaofang's thought process is like if he is really hiding from us. We need her as someone who knows the man.

Jing will take care of the talking.

Fu Xia would make a good addition, but he has his hands full with servants and underlings. Since everyone insists that Qilin should talk to Du Yao's daughter and not to the servants, and Jing is busy elsewhere, that means Xia is not available. Unless you want someone like Yifang handling the interrogation alone.
 

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Fu Xia would make a good addition, but he has his hands full with servants and underlings.
Um, how is that? Right now he's with underlings and rumors. Take him off rumors and put him on finding Xiaofang. edit: Though again, I think things are fine as they are.
 
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Um, how is that? Right now he's with underlings and rumors. Take him off rumors and put him on finding Xiaofang.
Who will question the servants?

I know your plan ignores them in favor of the sack, but if we pretend that we are being serious here?
 

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*sigh* If you're just going to strawman me when I already told you that wasn't my plan and that my current vote had nothing to do with that in my earlier post, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. It'd be just filling up the thread with more useless discuss for the others to wade through. :roll:


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Oh, come on. You make fun of the homosexual nature of the Codex, but don't like it when people take jabs at you Rancing the LP up? ;)

Regardless of your intentions, you don't have anyone working on that lead - which is what the previous two posts were about.
Bro, I just don't like having to repeat myself. I said it wasn't a plan and was more about voting numbers. Sure, I call out Codex faggotry (I'm usually joking fyi), but that's on separate choices, not thread spamming the same strawman.
edit: ah, not that I'm pissed or anything. I just don't want to clutter the thread for the others.
 
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Oh, come on. You make fun of the homosexual nature of the Codex, but don't like it when people take jabs at you Rancing the LP up? ;)

Regardless of your intentions, you don't have anyone working on that lead - which is what the previous two posts were about.
 

Tigranes

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Can I vote for Jing to visit the corpse with Cao'er and then ritually sacrifice it to the gods in a bloody and maniacal PRAY? The uhihihi can eat the remains afterwards.
 

Baltika9

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treave, could we learn to reverse our qi leeching to give people our qi, increasing their neiggong reservoirs and endurance instead of decreasing them?
 

Baltika9

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No, like reversing the drain. Yuhe Finger injects the qi to heal them without taxing our own, what I'm asking is if we can reverse our drain to give our qi to the target and increase their reserves and stamina.
 

treave

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You can already do that. Quite a lot of people can, e.g. the masters in the hundred man battle.
 

Absinthe

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How does that work, anyway? If you leech someone else's qi, you can go insane, but if someone else gives you their qi...? I guess in Jing's case he can donate a qi that's identical to the target, but for other people?

Also, out of curiosity, what would've happened if we tried to overload Yang Xue with our chaotic qi back then?
 

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You go insane if you leech too many different types without merging them. Lending energy is done by channeling through a different pathway though that doesn't apply to Jing since he has no meridians. Yang Xue would have been uncomfortable and run away.
 

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So, would we not have gained any power? I think most of us assumed it was a choice of either gaining the leeching power or gaining some other power that'd allow us to project more qi outside our body.
 

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I think projecting more qi didn't make a particularly appealing upgrade because qi leeching is a rare forbidden technique while damn near any martial art has some kind of qi projection. Right now we have Raging Claws of the Mad Lion in addition to the Xianglong Eighteen Palms for qi projection.

Also, treave, I notice our Bandit Kingdom reputation is at -20 (Shunned), which it has been for a while (since the rollback), but Shunned starts at -25, so shouldn't it say Neutral? At any rate, neutral seems to describe our current relation with the bandit kingdom better.

Besides that, could Jing invent a qinggong to boost his Endurance? I'm thinking of stuff like how to lean/jump back at impact to reduce damage, switching into stances that are better for taking blows, and possibly smashing yourself headfirst into an enemy technique so that it lands prematurely instead of full power. I reckon he should be able to invent a qinggong for reducing incoming trauma considering that he has 8 Unarmed, 7 Int, 7-9 Per, and 6 Herbalism; heck if Cao'er helps us with her 10 int, 10 herbalism, and 12+ per, we should be able to make a lot of progress fast. I'm wondering because right now his Order mode seems extreme glass cannon with 5 Endurance and it taxes our neigong harder so we'd probably need this kind of qinggong to improve our durability with the high perception.

Speaking of endurance, I remember the neigong boost included a +1 endurance, and there was a qi leeching boost separate from that. But the extra endurance from our neigong came from qi leeching, so what exactly did the qi leeching package add that was not part of the neigong boost?
 
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I think projecting more qi didn't make a particularly appealing upgrade because qi leeching is a rare forbidden technique while damn near any martial art has some kind of qi projection. Right now we have Raging Claws of the Mad Lion in addition to the Xianglong Eighteen Palms for qi projection.

The qi projection technique didn't strike me as your typical, run-of-the-mill qi projection either, though:

If he wants your inner strength, he can take it: you unleash all of the energy you can muster, pouring it into the old man in an attempt to overload his meridians. Your proficiency at extending qi outside of your body will be tested and possibly pushed beyond its limits.
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Gathering all of his power, Ahura moves to attack the Grand Taoist. You do not catch what happens next clearly, but it ends with the Fire Lord wreathed in flame, screaming as he is burned by his own fires. His arms and legs fall limp by his side as he collapses to the ground. Ahura crawls towards his adherents in pain, inching away from the Grand Taoist. His Amesha Spenta, regaining their consciousness, run to his aid and drag him to safety as Wang watches on.

“Strange… I did not know Taiji had such a move in its arsenal. He must have utterly destroyed Ahura’s meridians with that attack, but it should be impossible for him with Ahura's level of qi,” mutters Shangguan Chuji, his hand on his chin. “Wait. Something is not right. The Grand Taoist…” The Sword Saint looks slightly worried as he runs towards the unmoving Wang Zhengchong. You have a bad feeling about this.

It sounded more akin to what the Grand Taoist did to Ahura, really. A much less refined, unskilled version of it, of course. I could be wrong about this, though. Also, I always figured that qinggong had more to do with dancing around your opponent's attacks with crazy acrobatics, and the stuff that you mention, while good, seems more like it improves our ability to avoid damage rather than take damage, so I'm not sure if it has anything to do with END. We'd be far better off learning a defensive neigong that allows us to take damage; unfortunately, we don't meet the END threshold for the awesome Shaolin Jinzhongzhao, but maybe we'll find something else. It's a definite weakness that we have to shore up eventually.

I'm not sure how Herbalism relates to our qinggong or how Cao'er would help us here either. She's the greatest medic in the world, yet she's not much of a fighter and has some pretty mediocre skills at qinggong herself. Not sure she could help us here. Maybe the Qingcehng defensive qinggong is more up our alley as far as learning goes, though.

Until then, I guess we'll just have to rely on our ridiculous AGI 12 to avoid damage.
 

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Well, what I'm mentioning are methods for reducing damage from incoming blows and blows have already landed but haven't completely sunk in yet. So instead of dodging you're using these tricks to reduce the impact, but it's still hitting. It would effectively boost Jing's endurance since he's not getting hit as hard anymore.

Baltika9, I'm sure it is better to not get hit, but you should also have a backup plan for when you do get hit.
 

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