Stygian Lurker
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B > D
And if we get in trouble, she can't even fight properly because she's afraid of hurting people. She's a useless sack of baggage - she'll be much more useful if we do C, where her earnesty will work in our favour, but not here.
“Words are wasted on his ears, Yifang. This boy is as bad as his master. Don’t let his sweet tongue fool you,” scolds Sister Miaofang as she scowls at you.
How much subtlety or deception does it take to say, "This man has come to negotiate the release of Master Yao and his apprentice. I beg you to hear his words as he recently saved my life."?
Someone who was saved by Yao before, owes him his life, and would like to see if he can do something here so everyone is satisfied.
Uh, but it is true. We'll simply tell them the truth - that there was no one around for him to exact his toll, so instead of killing his apprentice he made us indebted to him instead. They will probably ask Yao if this is true and he will confirm it. Maybe it will blow our cover, maybe not - but it's beter than just walking up and saying "Hey, there! I'm the guy you've been trying to kill and I have your most treasured sword and I'm not gonna give it to you. Will you please release my friends?"Now, this is obviously bullshit, because nobody owes the Killing Physician their lives. Nobody is happy or grateful when Yao comes to town, because that means that someone has to die for balance to be restored. In fact, you could say that when the Killing Physician extracts his toll, the patient doesn't owe him anything. So if I was in that situation, hearing that cover story, I would sense something wrong immediately. We'll get exposed like this.
All right, let me say this straight from the beginning - I don't trust Yifang. She is young, apparently of Jing's age - what is she doing in the midst of old crones? She is obviously not a part of the team of grizzled veterans, the nuns themselves mentioned that she was the newest addition - why she is participating in a mission that Emei deem critical, not just a training exercise? What was she doing in a forest, away from the others and why was she so conveniently close to you when the bandits attacked?
Now, this is obviously bullshit, because nobody owes the Killing Physician their lives. Nobody is happy or grateful when Yao comes to town, because that means that someone has to die for balance to be restored. In fact, you could say that when the Killing Physician extracts his toll, the patient doesn't owe him anything. So if I was in that situation, hearing that cover story, I would sense something wrong immediately. We'll get exposed like this.
A conveniently young nun among decrepit hags (with whom we would be able to sympathize), conveniently present because one of the veterans is out of service, conveniently separated from the others and lost in a forest only to be found by us (it isn't a park, it takes a really unlikely coincidence to meet with someone in a forest), conveniently helpless (so we can't just abandon her) and naive (we think she would be prone to our charms), conveniently offers her help. Sorry, I'll pass.treave said:You don't really know how the Emei organize their team. Perhaps there's another implication about their average high age, where they should be past their physical peak but still sent out on dangerous duties?
The forest is on the way to Chengdu, where the nuns and you were headed.
She was separated from the others when the bandits attacked at the forest.
Conveniently close because you haven't wandered far off the trail.
The timing may be a very lucky coincidence for her though. Perhaps she just has high luck. Like a drabbit.
Not saying that you should absolutely trust the nun though, just pointing out that most of these details were already in the update itself.
If he heals them. Cant we say that he saved tiger from bandits before or smt?Now, this is obviously bullshit, because nobody owes the Killing Physician their lives. Nobody is happy or grateful when Yao comes to town, because that means that someone else has to die for balance to be restored. In fact, you could say that when the Killing Physician extracts his toll, the patient doesn't owe him anything. So if I was in that situation, hearing that cover story, I would sense something wrong immediately. We'll get exposed like this.
People seem to consider A as "burn all bridges and break our friends free". They don't think of it as probing the grounds as to not go into the negootiations completely blind, rather, they instead see B as a way to scout before trying a daring rescue:Tigranes said:I'm not even sure what the argument is for B.
Problem is, it would be harder to make a daring rescue when we make our presence - and our desire to free their prisoners - known.Baltika9 said:I'm leaning more to B because it gives us the opportunity case the joint before we break in, that way we're not going in completely blind. They won't discover our identity unless the nun slips up, which I don't think she will (she's naive, not stupid), so the anonymity works for us here.
I never said that. But you don't know this isn't the case, either. It would be a perfect troll if we think we are seducing her, while in fact it is the complete opposite.Baltika9 said:Obviously sent to seduce us and take Jing's legendary sword. Duh.
Would we have int 9-10 or charm 9-10 would there be other options?Conveniently close because you haven't wandered far off the trail.
The timing may be a very lucky coincidence for her though. Perhaps she just has high luck. Like a drabbit.
Edit: There will still be flaws with B, but none of the choices here have flaws that are so glaringly obvious and rely on the character absolutely bungling his own plan from the get go. You guys don't have an INT 4 character after all.
Would we have int 9-10 or charm 9-10 would there be other options?
Her luck or our bad luck?
Background:
The Rogue
You are a wandering child, an orphan; not so rare in these times of chaos. You grew up with the beggars; you were practically adopted by them, following the more adventurous ones from city to city. You learnt sleight-of-hand and also the art of play-acting. You soon found out how to make every drop of your tears earn a penny in return, how to steal, how to trick, and how to cheat. It helps that you are a happy-go-lucky scoundrel. A poor diet in childhood has left you rather fragile, however.
Agility +1, Charisma +2, Strength -1, Endurance -2
Sleight-of-Hand - +2
Speech - +2
Sneak - +1
You don't really know how the Emei organize their team. Perhaps there's another implication about their average high age, where they should be past their physical peak but still sent out on dangerous duties?
Uh, but it is true. We'll simply tell them the truth - that there was no one around for him to exact his toll, so instead of killing his apprentice he made us indebted to him instead. They will probably ask Yao if this is true and he will confirm it.
Now I am positively hurt, good sir. For a moment there, I honestly considered Yifeng being what she appears to be, and that did not help the B case one bit.Esquilax said:I just think that bringing someone with no talent for subterfuge, Nevill's baseless theories aside, is going to work against us in an operation requiring a bit of fast-talking to get our way.