anus_pounder
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Watching this thread for sure. I like where this is going.
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Looking for games in a similar vein to Princess Maker 2
adrix89
Cipher
There are a lot of japanese games like slave maker with the most prominent being Kiss's Custom Slave and Maid series.
The genre name is Raising Simulator which is a subset of Simulation genre.
There are also some Flash games similar to Princess Maker but I can't remember the name.
The genre name is Raising Simulator which is a subset of Simulation genre.
There are also some Flash games similar to Princess Maker but I can't remember the name.
anus_pounder
Arcane
Just an FYI, I'd probably leave Tale of Wuxia as one of your latter choices rather than something you should play right away. Not because it sucks - I'd argue its the best game suggested in this topic - but because the latest content patch (which is already released in China) is in the process of being translated atm. Apart from fleshing out the least developed ending path, it adds two more waifus and more importantly, a shit load of martial arts styles - especially important since the vanilla game's list martial arts styles are very sword and fist biased.
Tick Tock Crocodile
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I gave the Russian thing an evening.
I've plown the depths already as far as Flash is concerned (yes, I'm that desperate). As for the Japanese thing, on first glance I'm not too keen because it seems like too much H and not enough game. I generally don't bother with those types of eroge. I'll give it a closer look when I have time, though.
Thanks! I'll wait it out, in that case. I've got a backlog a mile long anyways, and even that's probably getting thrown out the window in favour of virtual basketball
It's quite detailed and the way it approaches the city/housing/renown is generally much better than the way SM3 does it. Every place has a purpose, every NPC a location where you can find them at any time. In order to rent a place in a district, you need a working relationship with the district's nobles, and once you have that, you can move here and there as you like. Each house seems to be straight upgrade from the next, though, so you don't have to put much thought into it besides 'Can I afford it?', which I find boring in comparison to the idea of a properly implemented SM-like system, with multiple buildings that all have advantages and disadvantages in terms of stats/location/past history.
Unlike PM2 and all iterations of SM, there seems to be no time limit -- you can keep training a slave for as long as your money lasts you. I want to say this is a bad thing, because again there's something that just invites a lack of pressure, but I think the way this game is done doesn't allow for pressure anyways. Unlike SM, you're not incentivised to do the best that you can with your first few slaves to build up cash; in Jack-O-Nine, churning out a ton of D rank slaves in the beginning to build up a bit of capital is a viable (and probably the best) strategy. It's more realistic, of course, and it means you take longer to become a god, but the problem seems to be that you go from churning out D ranks so you can buy more stuff so you can churn out C ranks so you can buy more stuff so you can churn out B ranks. . . you get the picture. It's too easy to get into a safe position and establish this routine -- even picking Johny for my first character didn't set me back much as far as I can tell, I had him maxed out pretty quickly -- and it's boring, too, as there aren't all that any events/questlines outside of the main one, which just involves selling increasingly higher ranked slaves to people. Girls are just a list of traits, and once you're familar with them, there's nothing special to take into consideration from one to the next. You could say the same about PM2, I suppose, but then PM2 gave you the character that was to receive your best effort right off the bat and, crucially, only the one. This goes back to my problems with the amount of vanilla slaves in SM -- I really believe that, if your raising sim is going to involve raising more than one character, each character needs to be different in a meaningful way. Or, if we're not being idealistic, at least a good portion of them.
This is probably a long way of saying that the dream slaver game might have mainly this thing's execution and detail -- the way it approaches mental and physical health, relevance of appearance and anatomy etc. -- but plenty of SM's ideas, especially when it comes to questlines. Can you imagine training Morrigan/Menace/Orihime under this game's system? No bugs or repetitive random event bullshit, but with the special endings, difficulty and custom rates of growth for certain skills (because again, I believe there's no point in making this type of game have more than one character if each can't force you to play the game in a different way than the one before)?
Anyway. I don't consider it 10/10 GOTY by any measure -- I think it's going to get boring relatively fast -- but it's really great to play for another perspective on SM. I wish I could cherry-pick the best bits from each and just mush them into one game, I really do.
Unlike PM2 and all iterations of SM, there seems to be no time limit -- you can keep training a slave for as long as your money lasts you. I want to say this is a bad thing, because again there's something that just invites a lack of pressure, but I think the way this game is done doesn't allow for pressure anyways. Unlike SM, you're not incentivised to do the best that you can with your first few slaves to build up cash; in Jack-O-Nine, churning out a ton of D rank slaves in the beginning to build up a bit of capital is a viable (and probably the best) strategy. It's more realistic, of course, and it means you take longer to become a god, but the problem seems to be that you go from churning out D ranks so you can buy more stuff so you can churn out C ranks so you can buy more stuff so you can churn out B ranks. . . you get the picture. It's too easy to get into a safe position and establish this routine -- even picking Johny for my first character didn't set me back much as far as I can tell, I had him maxed out pretty quickly -- and it's boring, too, as there aren't all that any events/questlines outside of the main one, which just involves selling increasingly higher ranked slaves to people. Girls are just a list of traits, and once you're familar with them, there's nothing special to take into consideration from one to the next. You could say the same about PM2, I suppose, but then PM2 gave you the character that was to receive your best effort right off the bat and, crucially, only the one. This goes back to my problems with the amount of vanilla slaves in SM -- I really believe that, if your raising sim is going to involve raising more than one character, each character needs to be different in a meaningful way. Or, if we're not being idealistic, at least a good portion of them.
This is probably a long way of saying that the dream slaver game might have mainly this thing's execution and detail -- the way it approaches mental and physical health, relevance of appearance and anatomy etc. -- but plenty of SM's ideas, especially when it comes to questlines. Can you imagine training Morrigan/Menace/Orihime under this game's system? No bugs or repetitive random event bullshit, but with the special endings, difficulty and custom rates of growth for certain skills (because again, I believe there's no point in making this type of game have more than one character if each can't force you to play the game in a different way than the one before)?
Anyway. I don't consider it 10/10 GOTY by any measure -- I think it's going to get boring relatively fast -- but it's really great to play for another perspective on SM. I wish I could cherry-pick the best bits from each and just mush them into one game, I really do.
I've plown the depths already as far as Flash is concerned (yes, I'm that desperate). As for the Japanese thing, on first glance I'm not too keen because it seems like too much H and not enough game. I generally don't bother with those types of eroge. I'll give it a closer look when I have time, though.
Thanks! I'll wait it out, in that case. I've got a backlog a mile long anyways, and even that's probably getting thrown out the window in favour of virtual basketball
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papillon
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I... I probably shouldn't post here, should I. Oh well, social awkwardness is my superpower.
Academagia didn't actually influence Magical Diary. We were both working on magical school sims at the same time, and discovered that while chatting with each other before release. Academagia did influence Long Live The Queen, though. If you look closely at the design you can see LLTQ probably gets more from Academagia than it does from Princess Maker, but it superficially looks like Princess Maker so people call it a clone. No, Cute Knight is a clone, there's a difference. (And yes, the art is shit, I was unemployed and had a budget of $25 when I made that game so I drew most of it myself. Badly.)
I've never made anything too directly like Fatal Hearts again because I'm just not good enough at adventure game design to do all those different kinds of puzzles and polish them really well on my own, which is why games like Date Warp and Black Closet focus more on a single mechanic rather than trying to invent a million different things half-assedly. And then some players complain that they don't want puzzles in their VNs at all, but eh.
Anyway, as for other games to look into, branching out a little further... I'm sure you've seen PrincessRL. Have you played Royals? https://ashervo.itch.io/royals ? (I never have but people kept reccing it to me.)
Littlewitch Romanesque has stat-raising but you don't actually get to use the spells to do anything fun other than raise more stats and take part in fixed cutscenes which mostly exist to make little girls flash their panties. It is not the RPG it looks like, don't be fooled.
If you enjoy downloading and patching Japanese games into English, there's the Prince Maker Braveness translation (which is even legal, iirc), or Koisuru Oukoku.
There are a couple of stats-affect-story games on Steam (The Yawhg, Vlad the Impaler, Monster Loves You, anything by Choice of Games) but they generally won't have high complexity.
Have you tried the more complicated text games like Sorcery! and 80 Days? The Sorcery adaptations add quite a lot on top of the original gamebooks, and reward many different playstyles. Lots of places to use your spells in clever ways.
The devs of Academagia released a game that's more of a dating sim but still has some pretty complex mechanics, though again if you know of them you probably already know about Scheherazade.
Off the PC, I've been told Trillion: God of Destruction has some raising sim similarities but while I own a copy I haven't gotten around to playing it yet. I don't expect it to be very Princess Maker-y.
Academagia didn't actually influence Magical Diary. We were both working on magical school sims at the same time, and discovered that while chatting with each other before release. Academagia did influence Long Live The Queen, though. If you look closely at the design you can see LLTQ probably gets more from Academagia than it does from Princess Maker, but it superficially looks like Princess Maker so people call it a clone. No, Cute Knight is a clone, there's a difference. (And yes, the art is shit, I was unemployed and had a budget of $25 when I made that game so I drew most of it myself. Badly.)
I've never made anything too directly like Fatal Hearts again because I'm just not good enough at adventure game design to do all those different kinds of puzzles and polish them really well on my own, which is why games like Date Warp and Black Closet focus more on a single mechanic rather than trying to invent a million different things half-assedly. And then some players complain that they don't want puzzles in their VNs at all, but eh.
Anyway, as for other games to look into, branching out a little further... I'm sure you've seen PrincessRL. Have you played Royals? https://ashervo.itch.io/royals ? (I never have but people kept reccing it to me.)
Littlewitch Romanesque has stat-raising but you don't actually get to use the spells to do anything fun other than raise more stats and take part in fixed cutscenes which mostly exist to make little girls flash their panties. It is not the RPG it looks like, don't be fooled.
If you enjoy downloading and patching Japanese games into English, there's the Prince Maker Braveness translation (which is even legal, iirc), or Koisuru Oukoku.
There are a couple of stats-affect-story games on Steam (The Yawhg, Vlad the Impaler, Monster Loves You, anything by Choice of Games) but they generally won't have high complexity.
Have you tried the more complicated text games like Sorcery! and 80 Days? The Sorcery adaptations add quite a lot on top of the original gamebooks, and reward many different playstyles. Lots of places to use your spells in clever ways.
The devs of Academagia released a game that's more of a dating sim but still has some pretty complex mechanics, though again if you know of them you probably already know about Scheherazade.
Off the PC, I've been told Trillion: God of Destruction has some raising sim similarities but while I own a copy I haven't gotten around to playing it yet. I don't expect it to be very Princess Maker-y.
adrix89
Cipher
I totally forgot about Littlewitch romanesque.
If you are interested in a good mini-game and unlocking different scenes its the best of the bunch.
It has some complexity as you are building a resource generating dice engine.
As for Russian stuff Defiler Wings you are raising a dragon, its kind of repetitive but you can actually mess up if you are playing retarded and overexert yourself.
It also has a nice evolution system. Its a different take on the Raising sim genre from PM2. Its more about moving around the map.
I'm not sure how far updated the Russian version is compared to the English version but you could add a lot more content and difficulty to that game and it would make it better as the core game mechanics works pretty well.
It is moddable if an insane codexer wants to try.
It would be great if we could have a partial patch with the new stuff in chinese but the main game in english. The game is in unity does anyone have any experience if this is possible?
If you are interested in a good mini-game and unlocking different scenes its the best of the bunch.
It has some complexity as you are building a resource generating dice engine.
As for Russian stuff Defiler Wings you are raising a dragon, its kind of repetitive but you can actually mess up if you are playing retarded and overexert yourself.
It also has a nice evolution system. Its a different take on the Raising sim genre from PM2. Its more about moving around the map.
I'm not sure how far updated the Russian version is compared to the English version but you could add a lot more content and difficulty to that game and it would make it better as the core game mechanics works pretty well.
It is moddable if an insane codexer wants to try.
Translation never. Well I mean from what I have seen it looks like it has been months, you might as well try it now as they probably will release the english version after they completely patch the Chinese one or they might pull some bullshit pay DLC.
It would be great if we could have a partial patch with the new stuff in chinese but the main game in english. The game is in unity does anyone have any experience if this is possible?
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Dayyālu
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Why so
? One of the reasons I buy some of your games is that you have the guts to post on the 'Dex . Good thread, by the way. Ton of stuff to try in the darker times.
I was always curious, but not curious enough to install the freakin' thing.
Tick Tock Crocodile
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First Pescado and now Hanako? Are all the people I keep track of on the Codex? Anyway, my mistake on the similarities of MD/Academagia. My computer's still determined not to let me play the latter, so I could only guess at similarities (and I'm bad at timelines in general -- I've only just realised how many years it's been since I first played CK and now feel very old). The fact that Academagia influenced LLTQ interests me, though, and now I really want to play it. I agree that LLTQ isn't a PM clone in any sense of the word, but I had to bring it up since otherwise it's the first thing folks would suggest. A shame about FH, but I respect your reasoning -- no point in making something with that kind of scope if it'll be bad (but now I must prioritise Black Closet; it's been sitting on my desktop forever).
I actually hadn't heard of PrincessRL, nor Royals, so there's two for me to try. I haven't played Littlewitch either, but going by your description it should go pretty far down on the list. Braveness I did play, years ago, and had this big issue with it that I can't remember, but since I can't remember it the game should be worth another go. I did play through a bunch of Choice Of and similar games, and you're right; not enough complexity for me.
As it happens, I'm just coming up to the end of the Lone Wolf Saga, so I'll give Sorcery! and 80 Days a go afterward that. Gamebooks are definitely an area I haven't covered much. Heard of Scheherazade, all right, but didn't want to try it until after Academagia, so we'll see how that goes.
Whew! That was extensive. Thank you very much; I'm looking forward to going through these.
I'll give Defiler Wings a look. As for Wuxia, there's pretty much no reason for me not to wait just in case. I have a huge amount of stuff I need to play -- I'll still get to it if it's somehow not finished when I've gone through everything else.
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Princess Maker 3 has been released in English!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/650110/Princess_Maker_3_Fairy_Tales_Come_True/
Unfortunately it seems to be a pretty terrible translation effort based on the Steam reviews. Anyway, certainly something worth watching.
Goliath
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Only 1-3 are available in English. PM1 is much more limited / primitive than PM2. I kinda hoped PM3 would have more features.. turns out it is severely limited like PM1.
So among the ones available in English: PM2 - no question
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Bit of a side tangent but... have you ever checked out the Monster Rancher series? Obviously there's no porn shit going on and there aren't nearly as many stats (though more than is apparent, they have a lot of invisible stats governing behaviour), but it does have a similar feel of trying to indirectly influence something to become powerful. The different monsters give things quite a bit of variety too, it's totally different trying to raise some eager to please thing vs a lazy shit that throws tantrums if you refuse it's requests or a battle maniac or something that just likes to antagonize you because it's a straight up dick, and the different priorities with different lifespans and apititude for fighting vs exploring ruins. I'd recommend either MR2 or 4.There's a lot of stuff to do and unlock in both of those games, including a ton of monster variety. Plenty of the monsters are basically crap of course- nobody needs a monster with high magic attack power and no magic attacks it can use, for example. But figuring out the best ones to use, breeding or searching for them, discovering new breeds through quests and events or winning tournaments, all that shit is pretty satisfying.
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http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=6 a few games similar to princess maker, you'll have to use the forum search function, and get some of the fan translated patch of course. Now getting them is a tad bit harder as nyatorrent is down...you could find some alternatives there https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/ as most of the stuff is probably impossible to purchase.
ManjuShri
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Never saw the cartoon as a kid?
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It's a shame most people confused it with some sort of pokemon ripoff, it was a really awesome series.
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