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Let's see a Civilization III from birth to Alpha Centauri

Cassidy

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Click here to go straight for the Alpha Centauri part

I'm tired of the repetitiveness of Abomination, so I decided to go with this sort of LP that may never end but no, it will end even if I have to skip the more boring Civilization part of it to do so. First, this will be a two-games in one Let's Play thread, following the story of a Civilization from the dawn of civilized society to the end of human era.

I haven't really abandoned my previous LP, it's just that I temporarily lost interest in updating them. Also, because it's said great games don't lend the best LPs, I added Civilization III to mix. So:

Civilization III Intro

It's the Play the World Intro, yeah, but it is a bit more interesting video IMO and that pack is quite meh anyway so there is not much of a difference between Civ III with and without PTW for what is being done here.

Let's make some LARP... I mean, background history, for the world, of events that occurred long before the dawn of human civilization:

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War. War never changes.

Even before mankind even existed upon the planet, war was already fought over the resources that could be acquired: Strangelets and T-Rex scales.

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For these resources, The Reptilian civilization, once united, would break apart into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on control over the last resources of Earth.

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In 65.000.000 B.C., the storm of world war has ravaged Earth for the first time. In a few hours, most of the world has been reduced to cinders, driving the reptilian civilization and the primitive dinosaurs into extinction. Only a few would survive the devastation, fortunate enough to take shelter into the large pods of a spaceship, built to take the last remnants of the reptilian civilization to a distant planet orbiting Tau Ceti.

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Several millions of years later, the devastation caused by the weapons of this war was still felt. The world was still suffering the consequences of the long nuclear winter, and of an ice age that would still take a couple of hundred thousand years to end. The air was dry, deserts made most of the planet, and amidst this brutal world, a new species would gain sentience: Humanity.

The harshness of the world has shaped man into a bitter, cynical, indifferent(and perhaps butthurt as well) but ultimately resilient being, while the population growth forced man to struggle for survival in a world that still was mostly a wasteland. Amidst such turmoil, in the few fertile areas of the planet, the first civilizations of human history would begin, facing a harsh world, where every uncivilized man was:


:rage:


OOL(Out of LARP) Note: Pretty much the only way to make barbarians feel like mindworms, at least in the early game.

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Life in Earth was about to change.

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So, now comes the first choice for the Hivemind. With a few notes. Due to the need of a minimum of coherence, I'll LARP some house rules or whatever you may call.

First, Amerikwa, China, Russia, England, India and maybe the Zulus must ideally survive and can't be totally defeated by the Civ I'll be playing due to that(if they're defeated by another AI Civ, screw it)

Second, Space Race Only, for obvious reasons.

Third, the choice of Civilization to play will tie up with the faction that I'll play once I reach Alpha Centauri in this thread. Pay attention to this LARPing bullshit before casting a vote for a civilization:

  • Muslimsh Commonwealth: Gaians
  • Amerikwa: Believers
  • Wyrmlordia: Peacekeepers
  • skyway's East: University
  • Tau homeworld: Human Hive
  • Defjamland: Morgan
  • Any other civilization: doesn't matter, will allow for separate faction vote later in this thread.

So, which Civilization(and depending on it, faction later), should I play with?
 

Glyphwright

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Go with Rome. Do not include any civilization that is not a contemporary of the Roman Kingdom/Republic/Empire. Seeing Abraham Lincoln lead a tribe of cavemen really killed it for me when I played Civ. III. You will have to drop America, Russia, Germany, France and England. Pick one out of Zululand/Aztecs/Iroquois, make a choice between China/Japan, and include everyone else. A meaningful, realistic scenario is ensured. Pick a wet warm world which is much more pleasant to look at in the screenshots. Don't count the chickens before the eggs are hatched (planning your Alpha Centauri game before you even begin Civ. III). You're welcome.
 

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skyway east, here's me hoping for a nice lil conflict with miriam some 6100 yrs later!
 

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taplonaplo said:
skyway east, here's me hoping for a nice lil conflict with miriam some 6100 yrs later!

I consider it quite ironic that the conflict that once was between free market and socialism would later return(in the form of two descendants of both nations) as a conflict between fundamentalism and science.

And thus, as decided by most posters.

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Ruled by the immortal God-Kaiserin skyway, whose hatred makes impossible for him to die, the skyway Empire, more known as the east of skyway, or as the Post-STALKER Ukranian Protectorate of Russia, will begin its journey into more than six thousand years of hatred and struggle against the decline of human civilization and all its feces, I mean, faces, specially the decline of entertainment and culture, which began as soon as human civilization itself.

:thumbsup:

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: At least there are no popamole shooting ranges.

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: Wait a moment. In an Arid and Cold world, ending in one of the easiest starting areas ever? Is there a retarded console RNG that favors the player over AI at 8:1?

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: This is a piece of shit! I just started it and already got hand-holding for research!

Science Advisor: :smug:

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: This is one of the worst things ever! Is there anything more retarded than a Spot all the smug faces and win 50 KKK minigame?

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: There are too little choices! I mean, no facilities, just workers, settlers, scouts and the shit. An extra worker might be the best. This game is so trivial. It is totally limited compared to terraforming. Why didn't it inherit the innovations in Alpha Cenaturi gameplay? It is just too stupid.

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Being one research away from building swordmen, and in a huge world, it is better to wait for getting Iron Working completed and access to iron ore before pumping a big army.

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: This game is so bland that the advisors are totally multikult. In fact, the Cultural advisor is a Rosa Parks caricature. It makes no sense. They should fit with each Civilization instead. This is totally against realism. Shit.

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It is decided an extra scout will be more useful, because it is a vast world, where most of the planet is featured by deserts and frozen wastelands. Identifying the few fertile lands faster than everybody else could be very important. Specially the close ones.

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And thus, the first Jewmasons emerged.

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The skyway expands through the world.

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While the first Civilization is met: the Muslimland

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: Why must we have an Alphabet first than Writing? Anyway, I offer two old shits for one NEW SHIT and 12 KKK.

The deal is made, and the answer for why the Alphabet was developed first than writing in Civilization III is quite simple.

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Russia wasn't even mentioned. Maybe this game isn't as simple and hand-holding as skyway thought. Also notice that Amerindians are ahead of the Amerikwans.

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After securing some defense against raging niggers, I mean, barbarians, Moskau begins the construction of the Granary.

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: This will be a factory for settlers.

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The second city founded by the Empire of skyway. The thrill of founding such a city can be described by its own, self-explaining name.

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Meanwhile, more discoveries are made by the scouts as they make contact with remote, peaceful tribes.

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The source of a evil yet unknown, in a frigid wasteland, that would, eventually, threaten the skyway Empire, in the thousands of years to come.

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The mysterious JarlFranki tribe informs one of the skyway scouts about the great ascendancy of the World Dictator, their superhuman and transcendent god, JarlFrank, who demands daily sacrifices in blood and virginity of young and hot virgin women.

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Meanwhile, warriors are recruited from other tribes.

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Meanwhile, another Civilization encroaches near skyway border. It is better that something is done to rectify that.

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Now to secure iron ore sources.

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: The earlier Writing is developed, the least "Redding is teh hard" retards will exist later on. Probably not because everything is shit and retarded.

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Some iron is found. Time to fetch it. Not with a popamole Fedex quest, fortunately, but with the construction of a new city. A city that will have critical strategic importance for securing the heart of the future army of RAGE and hatred against the fail, the popamole, the shit and the retard.

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A settler is thus sent to reach it.

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A worthless civilization, with nothing they could trade. The AI doesn't handle the Romans well in nearly every game because their bonuses are really shit compared to industrial, science and religious.

Also, faggot Caesar is faggot.

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Meanwhile, a trade is made.

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for

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: :rage:

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Carefully approaching the Defjamland leader, skyway notices the tone of his comment and will definitively remember it once his army is complete.

Niggers, niggers never change.

Morgan Cybernegroes, however, was just a senseless word now.

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The Russians are the most technologically developed civilization of the world in 1990 B.C.

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Machete-wielding niggers threaten to encroach and rape one of our scouts. Time to retreat.

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Aware of the need of connecting that iron ore to the entire skyway Empire, a worker is sent to build the roads of vitriol towards it, as Moskau shall not need further improvements, for it'll keep churning settlers instead, while Banal, Shit, Boring will serve as the spot for the construction of the RetardBox Achievements, I mean, Wonders. Meanwhile, Andyman Messiah makes a cameo near Banal, Shit, Boring. Considering the game he is making a LP of, it makes perfect sense

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Shit, it's over now, there is no way to escape from the nigger that couldn't be spotted before... ITZ COMING!

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While the fate of dying during an assrape was sealed for one of the scouts, Jaesun, who shall never be forgotten(and perhaps might enjoy it to an extent), the city that would secure the future of skyway Empire in its Iron reserves was found.

The city of skywaygrad, built as a tough fortress over the hills, crossed by the river skyway. Eventually it would form part of a natural fortress, a critical chokepoint that might yet host some of the bloodiest and most decisive battles in the future of skyway Empire.

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But for now, there is no war yet, only rape.

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The Andyman Tribe taught horseback riding to the skyway Empire. And thus, with the vitriol road to Iron being built, the skyway would soon be unleashed across the world. Peace brought contempt, contempt brought banality, banality brought shit, and shit brought boredom.

Only war could break the cycle.

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ITZ COMING!
 

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K, I'll have 800x600 images instead, at a small cost of image size. Nothing big unless your Internet connection sucks.

Of course, this also means more inane posts between each update to improve bandwidth issues from whoever is browsing this thread.
 
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I would guess the reasoning is because Civ3 is awesome. Personally, I enjoyed Civ3 the most between the two.
 

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ScottishMartialArts said:
Awesome! The hate is strong in this one.

Any reason you're playing Civ3 instead of Civ4?

Because I consider it more interesting and see no big difference between both(other than Civ 3 being really tough on the highest difficulty levels). The barebones social engineering in Civ 4 doesn't really seem much of a big deal compared to social engineering in AC, for one, among other things. Lots of people bitched about the "corruption and waste" and "war weariness", but I believe these two elements make a round the world conquest a bit more challenging.

Talking about challenge, this game ended way too lucky. I picked a not so tough difficulty because I was expecting to end in a hole featured by deserts and/or tundra surrounded by mountains, but instead the game placed the Civ in a quite strong starting location. But regardless, I intend to put the meat of the challenge in Alpha Centauri, which I'll play in Transcend difficulty level(the drone penalty of University will truly show in it). Anyway, next update will be split in two because it took longer than I expected for the war to finally start due to my tendency of turtling or steamrolling instead of rushing in any strategy game I play and due to the need of expanding some borders through culture points generation to get one of the two iron ores under Russian control.

On another matter, the AI seem really lacking in the ability of being selective about where to expand with new towns. Only India did it really right.

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Revenge is a dish best served Kool

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Flag of the skyway Empire

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One of the warriors fight against the machete rape gangs.

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Emerging victorious, and becoming thus a Regular.

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: THIS IS MADNESS!

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: MADNESS? THIS IS... THE NEW SHIIIIIT!!!

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Meanwhile, more niggers are dealt with accordingly with unspeakable amounts of vitriol and rage, as they encroach the heartland of skyway. Notice the weird "falling barbarian".

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: What's the point of early game research when you get most of it free playing the right way? Why is this popamole AI unable to truly exploit these small villages that are found through exploration?

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65.000.000 years later, ITZ still happened. At this rate, if once cavalry became available exploring was still relevant, it would be better to send in horsemen for exploration instead.

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: Bunch of worthless fodder. What is the point of these barbarians in the game other than to force turtling players to mount up defenses ASAP? What is the point of them at all? They can be easily defeated, and pose no threat even to the cheapest unit. Another shit game design, go figure.

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The revenge against the ebonic barbarians and the popamole new shit has begun. Master Chef, Popamole Shepard. David Gaydar. Everything would tremble as a new empire struggled to become a superpower.

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A new town emerged to the north of Moskau, with its walls cemented by hate and erected by cynicism.

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The excess of next-gen bloom in the reflected sunlight at the moist sands of the flood plains began to kill the jaded inhabitants of Banal, Shit, Boring. Being the foundation of all food the city relied at, there was nothing to be done but hope that the struggle against popamole would succeed before the town was wiped out by it.

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The threat passed, but not without many losses and butthurt. Many elitist inhabitants preferred to die of starvation than to eat next-gen food harvested in the bloom-filled floodplains. Those were true patriots.
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Far away, new secrets were still discovered. A religion involving the worship of an entity that was both one and several gods at the same time, each god being one of its multiple heads, but all heads belonging to the same body. To the faithful worshippers of the multiheaded dick and of each of its heads, it was promised HEAVAN.

:mhd:

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1eyedking, one of the many incarnations of skyway, was homaged by the foundation of a majestic town amidst the sands that, in other time and history, were beneath the city of Brasilia, capital of Argentina.

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To protect 1eyedking, spearmans, holding their hard and long spears, headed towards it, hopefully before the wild niggers could come and mass rape the city.

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The first step to secure iron ore for the skyway Empire is taken, as a new road towards skywaygrad is to be built.

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It's decided to pursue something else, as there aren't many islands in this world to be explored.

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There are better ways to cover the insufficient budget than lowering the investment in research. On another matter. Eventually, the home country of Bethesda, Jewllyhood, Jewctivision and Evil Alliance and most of the decline would pay dearly for its sins.

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Another step of the revenge approaches.

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East of The New Shit, No Fun Allowed is founded as a testament to the indignation over the way things are developing.

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Beneath a huge earthquake-provoked chasm, the rape gangs were forever buried, while melting the $ necklaces allowed for the creation of 25 gold coins.

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Is this real? Can the people of the skyway Empire love?

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Instead of a cave in the middle of nowhere, now skyway has a cave in the middle of nowhere with a pretty pavement. A true sign of "love" indeed. For the people of the skyway Empire are too busy hating their enemies to love anyone.

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HATRED

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Can be a bringer of progress. Driven by hatred.

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The Empire of the God-Kaiserin seeks gold to purchase more and more weapons.

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Ass Brotocol. A sign of treason, a sign of those who once made life at least bearable, but now switched sides in their petty greed, turning to the forces of Popamole and decline. Not even a hundred bottles of wine would soothe the hatred for the obsidious evil that spawned such title.

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Once a den of scum and wild nigger villainy, now cleared out from these mountains, which were planned as part of a new town that would yet be built.

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Hatred drove an insatiable lust for knowledge, for those who enjoyed superior knowledge would scorn the popamole and the retard forms of culture and entertainment and want them wiped out from the face of Earth.

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The inhabitants of the Empire were difficult to maintain civility with, as their hatred and jaded cynicism tended to lead them to sometimes divert their hatred inside rather than outside. An enemy, or a scapegoat perhaps, for the skyway Empire gave a shit about trying to justify their actions with propaganda, had to be found so all the rage, hatred and vitriol penting up across its many cities could be diverted to a productive cause. The rape gangs were too weak to be enough of a scapegoat for all problems.

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As shown.

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Amidst such turmoil, new preparations were being made for a future war, while the town of Dragon Rage, built over the site of a legendary duel between the God-Kaiserin skyway and the Übersturmführer Vault Dweller, once a lush jungle turned into sand by the infinite flames, was founded.

The revenge against the uncivilized and wild rapists was completed, but the first true military challenge of the Empire was yet to begin.
 

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This post is a pretext to make this thread come to page 2 faster and a divider between 2 updates.

It is good for what it is.
 

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Dawn of War 2: Popamollids

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The last secrets yet to be explored are found. A deeply philosophical tribe, too busy smoking ganja to notice the hatred of the skyway scout, shared their secrets and knowledge about abstracting the abstract and dissecting ideas into smaller and smaller components until everybody goes mad.

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Alone, in the harsh, frozen wastelands of the far north, a group of highly seasoned warriors made their stand against legions of barbarians.

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After a harsh battle, they became truly great as the best of the best. The first Elite soldiers of the skyway Empire.

:obviously:

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The seeds of a great evil were sprouted: in years to come, legions of corporate lawyers would show that such knowledge was perhaps best left undiscovered.

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Deals are made with Wyrmlord and his ilk. These events were nothing compared to the most important happening.

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The first veins of iron ore began to be mined, and iron began to be shipped across the empire. Finally, the army that shall cleanse the land from decline is born. But first, barracks filled with paintings depicting the popamole and the new shit are built to ensure better combatants, more filled with hate than anyone could ever imagine.

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Meanwhile, amidst an arid desert, in mockery of one of the older nemesis of the skyway, a new city was raised, with the empty wasteland around it representing the intellectual capabilities of a Hamster.

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Progress continued at unprecedented pace. Soon, the empire would reach a new age of technological development in human history.

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Not all cities were named after enemies and hated works. A few were named over the few redeeming examples of good culture and entertainment in human history, the foundations where the skyway Empire sets its standards before judging what is banal, shit, boring and what isn't.

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But balance demanded that the objects of hatred must be more remembered than the objects of praise and love. An empire fueled by hatred must always remind its citizens of what they hate, even if doing so require inscribing the names of such hatred things all over their cities.

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And at last...

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Seeing the big picture, it becomes quite clear.

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The power of hate. skyway Empire is the leading world power, followed by Wyrmlordia, France and Kwanzania which are in a very dramatic competition. No nation has leaped way ahead of others yet.

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As a scientific civilization, the skyway Empire gains a free discovery upon their newfound progress, as a new religion begins to sway the people, to worship the only single God that would fit with their values and nature.

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Right after, preparations for formalizing the empire are made, for so far skyway wasn't yet crowned.

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Meanwhile, the "love" of the people ensured a stairway to the cave throne of the immortal Kaiserin.

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And preparations for the upcoming war were being made.

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The people of skyway Empire loved ironies. It was no wonder that a city called Banal, Shit, Boring was planned to host the largest possible number of collossal and magnificent buildings and touristic hotspots for the future.

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Another city is founded. One that will, for a long time, lack dedicated defenders just as surely as it lacks dedicated servers.

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The negroes traded a complete world map, making all our warrior scouts obsolete. Good, for they could be upgraded to swordmen to the war that was coming.

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Perhaps one of the most pleasant cities to live at, the reason for its inhabitants hatred emanating not from its name but from the harsh environment surrounding it and how stressful clearing it out will be.

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By an ironic coincidence, skyway East shall share its western border with Germany. Could these borders, where one of the most powerful sources of hatred in the empire was just founded, become the front of one of the most brutal wars ever fought in the far future?

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: It's almost ready. There will be blood. No, there won't because it's a banal, shit, boring movie with no real plot that is worse than shitty German films in boredom and probably bribed Oscar for its award. War stops decline, but it can't permanently defeat it. Regardless, I can't stand shit. It's time to mobilize everyone.

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: Worthless, probably just added so the stupid AI would build it instead of doing something more productive with its resources. Another example of favoring the player because nextgen shit is about winning without challenge.

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And thus, skyway would be crowned as the God-Kaiserin of the skyway Empire. However, he also needed a Qwinn or Empress to sit alongside him before the ceremony.

He found her. Perfect blonde Ukranian woman, flawless. The dream of every man in Earth.

BLOBERT said:
BRO SKYWAY WOULD BITCH IF HE WON FREE BLOWJOBS FOR A YEAR HE WOULD COMPLAIN THAT THE GIRL WAS TOO FAT OR HEW WASN'T USED TO WOMEN OR THAT UKARAINE WOMEN HAVE NO TEETH OR SOMETHING STUPID

In skyway's first meeting with his future Qwinn:

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- Qwinn

The turmoil that such discovery provoked would last for a long, long time.

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While, in a comparatively fitting position just east of the German Empire, Chernobyl was founded, north of the worst nextgen casual popamole ever made.

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The first swordmen prepared themselves to attack the first target. A thorn that threatened the lebensräun of the skyway Empire, that built cities where their settlers were two turns short of establishing their own, that took most of the fertile soil anywhere nearby.

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This time fitting, for the Great Wall is a worthless "Achievement", only started because back then there was nothing better to build in Banal, Shit, Boring. IT was one of the few events that would happen before the time for ITZ.

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Trannyopatra must die!

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Even while the war began, the expansion of the empire proceeded at full speed. Built simply for the goldmine to its north, Jewgold would be a land of wealth, and of Jews, who are among the guilty of decline.

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: Stupid AI! There is no need yet to build one because the skyway Empire still hasn't become sufficiently large in territory to warrant a second Capital.

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The enemy was ready to defend the city.

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While, driven by hatred, the legions of the skyway charged in a violent assault. Despite suffering heavy losses, their hatred drove them to fight to the end, and achieve victory.

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The city didn't survive their hatred.

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: Once again? What a joke! Can't this game have a simple variable to recognize that this is the first real military victory here?

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After the loss of a galley to rage-filled oceans, a second attempt of settling a relatively rich peninsula eastwards, bordering the Tau Homeworld, is successful. Named after another of the many faces of skyway, Metalcraze stands alone, isolated, as a testament of their resilience. Unfortunately, it is not possible to declare war against the stormy ocean that brought the death of many colonists, or to erase it from map with solar shades, but the loss of that galley and group of settlerswould not be forgotten, should the capability of launching solar shades ever be developed to take reveng against the ocean for it.

On another note, the geographical map of the world shows how much of a wasteland most of it is. Everything painted in grey is frozen wasteland, while the light beige that is so predominant roughly near its equator, covering nearly the entire continent from west to east, shows the extent of the deserts in this Earth. Only the light green indicates the few fertile grasslands of the planet.

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Lacking dedicated servers and dedicated defenders, as a city with such a name deserves, Modern Gayfare 2 is subjected to mass rape and bestiality by wild horseniggers.

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A new spearman releases more swordmen from police duty in No Fun Allowed, to bolster the upcoming war effort.

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:Largest and most technologically advanced nation of the world. Haters gonna hate apologist fanboy faggot? See where your popamole shit and frigid arguments will take you.

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And thus, an army of eight swordmen prepares for the upcoming onslaught, while a lone enemy swordman chases an unprotected settler running for cover towards Modern Gayfare 2.

Will the eight swordmen prove sufficient to bring several victories for the skyway Empire? Will the lone warrior protecting Modern Gayfare 2 be able to protect the running settler and stand the attack of a swordman or will Modern Gayfare 2 be raped again?

:mystery:
 

Cassidy

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root said:
for great glory.
but why did you attack egypt?

Because of geographical convenience, as it is the closest Civ to the Russian heartland where roads are aplenty to transport troops. Also because it is one of the biggest ones right now and the other big ones like India and America are way too far.

Finally, they botched several settlers by building first in the living space of the Broland that was part of their Destiny Manifest.
 
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ScottishMartialArts

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root said:
i don't think i ever entered a full-scale war with any civ in all my civ playthroughs (used to play civ quite a lot, mind you), just minor skirmishes.

I attack whenever I detect weakness. If war has a high probability of success, then I go for it. Conquest is its own justification.
 

taplonaplo

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One would think the AI would be somewhat more aggressive... No fun until they dogpile on you :(
 

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