Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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Let's Play VtM: Wild Nights - Chapter 10

Discussion in 'Codex Playground' started by grotsnik, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. Esquilax Arcane

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    In this case, I don't think so. We know that Kirkbeck being dead is bad or Tony, but it also sucks for Joan too. For one, it allows Eames to further consolidate her power and get a threat out of the way without it being traced back to her. If Eames is focused on fighting off Kirkbeck, Sommers and the Anarchs she will be less likely to suspect someone working against her from within the Chantry. Anything good for Eames is bad for both Joan and Tony.

    @ Storyfag: I knew that the Gangrel don't care about the Jyhad. I didn't expect them to or join us or anything like that. I just thought it would be good to at least establish contact with them before finding Erika. My thought was if we're going to find Erika, the Gangrel are going to be a better source than a Harpy, who is likely to tell others we're looking for her. Since the Gangrel are unaffiliated with the Cam, I figured it would be safer for us.

    My main concern now is whether Erika will even want to come back to London at all; seems like she's pretty happy out in the countryside now. Other than being friends with her, I don't see a reason why she'd want to come back other than loyalty.
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  2. Azael Prophet

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    Excellent update grotsnik, the werewolf attack was handled beautifully. Hob is a serious mofo.
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  3. oscar Tacticular Staff

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    At least this will probably force Turcov into our camp.
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  4. Storyfag Cipher

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    That's what I'm hoping too. I don't think Rodyon tipped Samatha off. If he did, she'd know that Robert has the Prince's files, so there would be no reason for her to kill him. The Prince even wanted to tell her that, you know...
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  5. Excidium P. banal

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    True. We're all fucked.

    My fear now is that she starts to send Hob to get rid of every kindred that threatens her...
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  6. Bob Novice

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    That'd be foolish, everyone would know.

    I wonder what Hob gets out of this....
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  7. laclongquan Arcane

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    Eames has all reasons in the world to want Kirkberk dead:

    1. With him dead, the attack from Anarchs lost focus. Who is Anarchs' source? Little ol Prince just dead from Werewolves? How convenient for you Anarchs! Dead vamp can neither confirm or deny what living vamps said! That's what Tremere going to throw back on the charges laid at Eames' feet.

    2. With him dead, the background noise increase that Cami might just dont hear clearly what's being shout? "Prince dead! Werewolves Rampage! Tremere conspire!"

    3. Increased influence from Hob. She's under constant pressure from him and now she must agree to one of his suggestion. That might ease the pressure a bit but in a battle of will that mean a dangerous step.
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  8. Black Bart Charley Scholar

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    Behold! The artefact!
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  9. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    How this is bad?
    Civil war avoided, besides, aren't we trying to stifle the Anarchs' media campaign?
    Lol, seems that the great plan of getting along with a bunch of street punks did very little to stop a fallen one, what a surprise.


    Guys, what the fuck do you want to do, for real?

    Getting along with the Anarchs' plan was obviously asking for a civil war, now you don't want' it anymore?
    Oh, wait, that was your master plan for getting rid of Hob and Eames at the same time without any risk, AMIRITE?
    Well, guess what, didn't work as espected, baffling, isn't it?

    I humbly suggest of doing some research on all this runes popping up everywhere, and correlated places, maybe we will get some hint on how to deal with Hob, try to hire a specialist wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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  10. Esquilax Arcane

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    It's not as simple as that. Anthony is very much an outsider among the Barons, while Eames and Turcov are established enough to dismiss what the Anarchs would say, but Anthony isn't. If the Anarchs were to release their info, Tony would be the scapegoat, not Eames/Turcov. Besides, what alternative would you propose? We had the chance to kill Griddle, but c'mon man, we would've gotten our asses kicked.

    The whole issue is that with Kirkbeck and Turcov around, it wouldn't be "a bunch of street punks" there would be a lot of credibility on our side. If a Prince and a prominent Baron are denouncing Eames and saying that she's harbouring a demon, then suddenly the other Barons might start doubting her too. Having high profile people publicly denouncing Eames makes civil war less likely because it casts doubt on her. And if there is civil war, it allows us to gather enough support to ensure that it's a short one.

    Now that you mention it, averting civil war is all well and good, but at what cost? How long are we going to let Eames keep doing whatever the fuck she wants, no matter how insane it is? Helping her oust Kirkbeck is one thing, but letting a Fallen take control of the Camarilla is another. How long are we going to keep going along with this?

    This is a great idea. Since we're with the Gangrel already, it wouldn't hurt to ask them about the meaning behind the runes or about the Lhiannon and how they might relate to Hob. Since we're with her already, it would be smart to ask Grandmother Faa about this - it might also make them realize that there is a serious threat out there and that we aren't giving them a line of Camarilla bullshit.

    The closest person to a "specialist" when it comes to Hob that I can think of would unfortunately be The Centurion. There's probably a Tremere occultist who might be helpful, but asking Eames' people for info on the runes is a bad idea.
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  11. Kz3r0 Arcane

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    In this case we should have clear in mind what we want to do, ousting Eames?
    Fine, bu what course of action we should chose for that?
    Finding a way on our own?
    Rallying support from other barons?How?
    Taking advantage of the Anarchs' campaign?Again, how?
    And we should do all of this promoting a civil war or avoiding it?
    Until now we danced at the tune played by someone else, trying to cover our ass, any suggestions on how to take the initiative?
    Besides, before all of this, we should make sure what Turcov's intentions are, if he sided with Eames we can be next on Hob's hit list.

    People searching for knowledge tend to be very jealous of their findings, shouldn't be that hard to scout an oucast that can help us, also, why not some one in the Sabbath, in this we can be on the same book, remember who tipped us off?
    Last but not least, who said that the Tremere higher ups aren't the best choice after all?
    Whatever Eames is doing surely is not beneficial to them.
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  12. oscar Tacticular Staff

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    Does anyone else think that Hob and the Centurion are Changelings/Fae?
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  13. Excidium P. banal

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    I know fuck all about those things, do they get involved in mundane affairs like that?
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  14. SCO Arcane

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    What i think it's going to happen is that now the puppet prince is dead, the non-puppet prince will die too, and like a good little feudal society everyone will scramble to the prize.

    Now, how can we scramble best?

    We can help eanes - she'll need a prince.
    We can screw eanes and Hob. But do it on a way that takes credit - instant prince material.
    We can save the barons, by convincing them of the danger (too late for eanes alas), and either supporting the strongest or competing directly
    We can out and out support the anarchs. It would be too bloody i think and only the sabbat would gain.
    We can try to control hob ourselves, just in time for the public exorcism

    It's not a team of ghouls that is going to take down the demon, but they'll be useful to surprise the opportunist traitors.

    I wish we could kill the setite behind this shit though.
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  15. Excidium P. banal

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    I wish Karthik was still alive.
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  16. ironyuri Arcane

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    It's all the vase's fault. The Settite took the form of the vase to cause all this trouble, bros.

    Let's just smash the vase and then Tony will wake up and realise it has all been a dream and he's actually back in a Tripolitan field hospital as good old Monty rolls over Rommel.

    We'll live happily ever after and die at 92 in the Chelsea military hospital.
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  17. laclongquan Arcane

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    Your phallic obsession is on a dangerous level, Charley. I would advise you take an extended visit with Jaesun, but we need permission from that corner first.

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  18. Excidium P. banal

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    No, we need the vase. We're going to bind Hob to it in a ritual, Solomon style.
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  19. Breaking Axe Educated

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    I think we should definitely avoid becoming prince for the next fifty or so years, we simply do not have the legitimacy or the support to rule successfully. Better to rule firmly over our small little territory than to be a puppet over a large one. The best course of action would be to support a likely candidate. Hell, Turcov?
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  20. Storyfag Cipher

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    Those are the courses I'd take. Since we'd oppose Eames and Hob, we'd be promoting a civil war. But hopefully we'd limit it to eliminating her and her supporters.

    We could also... contact Justiciar or an Archon ourselves!

    This.

    We personally offed the member of the Sabbat best qualified to deal with Hob. That was Sculptor Angelos of the Sabbat Inquisition. And Tremere himself authorised the members of his Clan to deal with Daemons, iirc. But Anthony shouldn't know about that...

    This. Prince Rodyon Turcov mayd bring stability to London. Prince Anthony Sommers would not. He's too young and is of very thin blood. 13th generation? I expect Kirkbeck, Turcov and Eames to be around 8th... 9th at worst.
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  21. Esquilax Arcane

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    Initially, I envisioned that we would team up with Kirkbeck/Turcov to discredit Eames, since we don't have enough clout to do so on our own. With Griddle's evidence and the backing of two highly-respected Camarilla figures stating that Eames had been dabbling in Infernalism, the other Barons would be far more likely to take our side without the situation devolving into a civil war. Or, if it did, it would be a short one. With Hob's presence made public and support on our side, we would perhaps be able to find someone able to deal with a Demon.

    Civil war is a last resort. With no support from Kirkbeck/Turcov, we'd be in very serious shit. I think we've lost our focus; in Act I, our focus was all about acquiring power within the Camarilla. Now that we've got a Barony, we're directionless again. What do we want now - what's our overarching goal?

    Griddle forced our hand and made us panic when he gave us an ultimatum. Now Kirkbeck's death is making us react irrationally again. Our overarching goal, given the cards we have, should be to seek information about Hob (i.e. weaknesses), while at the same time gaining legitimacy for our cause among factions both within the Camarilla and Independents like the Gangrel if possible.

    You mean Dubrik? No way he'd help us - there's nothing in it for him.

    Sabbat is out of the question, considering we made our bones by assassinating a dude connected to the Inquisition. But more importantly, if I were Dubrik, I wouldn't help the Camarilla if there were a Demon manipulating the organization. I'd simply let it run amok and destroy them from the inside, then send some Inquisitors in to deal with the Demon, and take control of the city once the smoke clears. Dubrik is a very calculating, long-term player - this sounds like something he'd do.

    I'd love to talk to a Tremere scholar, but that sounds dangerous. Eames and Hob orchestrated this attack on Kirkbeck, so we could be next. Going to a Chantry controlled by Eames is nuts, considering the circumstances.

    Grandmother Faa seems like she might know something useful, so we might as well ask her since we're already with her. She'll still barely tolerate our presence, but it might make her think that what we've got to say is more serious than the standard Camarilla bullshit she's used to hearing. That's a start, at least.

    There's also the Centurion, who is looking for a way to neutralize Hob. If he knows he have the same goal, it might be enough to make him talk to us... THEN DIABLERIZE HIM!!!!! He's far more likely to find us than we are to find him, however. I'd rather not actively go after him unless we're really desperate.

    Interesting. Can you elaborate on this? What would we have to do and what would the consequences here be? We never said a word in public about Eames' possible Infernalism - could this end up seriously biting us in the ass? Do we even have the authority to call upon such a person, and if we did, could Eames turn this person against us?

    Once a Justicar or an Archon got here, what would they do? Oh yeah, Turcov 4 Prez.
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  22. laclongquan Arcane

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    To me this Act is all about Consolidation Period for Anthony.

    His situation is being newly elevated to baronhood in the middle of a Sabbat war. And now a civil war is threatening to break out, either with Anarchs or inside Camarilla.

    His resources are pretty depleted in the last Act: he lost one important source of info and weapons (Karthik), lost one Brujah under the command of Eddie (Mike?), plus being rightly suspicious of his Nos hacker and therefore leery of using him.

    So his goal this time is consolidation:
    - keep the barony peacefully productive,
    - recover lost assets and I dont mean money: weapon, info sources, useful contacts;
    - and establish a working relationship with some certain political players.

    Forget the throne of Prince. We have no way of reaching that right now without being a puppet of somebody. Think longer term. We just won a battle, gain a first step (a barony), now is the time to replenish resources and preparation for next period.

    Which is why a war would be very bad for Anthony: his shiny grasp of the barony is too new too fragile to withstand the test of war. Try to make peace if we can.
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  23. Breaking Axe Educated

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    I don't know what you're talking about laclongquan, we've seen in various updates that Anthony's resources have drastically increased since his elevation, we might have lost one brujah, but we've gained twenty more. Our resources are more than replenished. And while consolidation may have been a worthy strategy, that got thrown out the window the moment the Anarchs laid this at our doorstep.
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