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In Progress Let's go to the Moon and do the other things (Kerbal Space)

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Important Announcement Politburo!



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General Secretary (new appointed) has make spectacular announcement that Koviet space program may be making a come back!

He say that secret probe have already reach Moho 1 year ago, and Koviet space program soon plan to visit outer planets like Sarnus. He also say he release another 400,000 political prisoner which not very guilty, and will be able to help in industry and space program very much!

Special news bulletin coming soon, when is available!

Do svidanya!
 

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Transcript of speech:

"Comrades! The unrivalled colonization of space by imperialist Amerikans must be stopped!

In the past years, we have problems because some very negative things. We have many setbacks. Also Chief engineer die. He die from Siberia and sadness that former Politbiro never satisfy with his result.

Therefore I appoint young, very energetic man to take over space program. I have complete trust his ability. Highly intelligent, he will reach great things and will bring space program in order, perhaps could even leader of USSR one day!

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New peaceful conquest of space will begin today, by people and workers!"
 
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Here is first information that precursor mission has already leave some time ago and currently underway 2 billion km to Sarnus and his majestic moons. If mission arrive destination this will no longer be possible for capiltalist to be first!

Mission use many of new inventions like shroud, which make rocket aerodynamic!

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Comrade

The reason we did not make update is because flight to Sarnus takes very long. In fact several years, and we could not anticipate distance would take so long. But we did arrive and success.

Currently we need time comrade to interpret many data from P-1 mission. It is many and computer Koviet Union not big enough! But we received following series of photographs that we think will already impress world media! Because they show Koviet Union have visited first time Sarnus, over 2 billion km from planet Earth! Until now this was complete unknown world!

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As spaceship reach voids of interplanetary space, one problem becomes apparent.

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This problem is trajectory is to planet much more far away than ever before.

It is ca 7 times flight to Duna and you already know how hard was to find Duna, with primitive Koviet computer (impossible).

At first we try to find encounter with very economic "Hohmann" transfer, but it never became a success.

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Finally we discover encounter, but he will not conserve fuel. No, in fact it almost 2 times what considered optimal (ca 1,600 m/s). But after much discussion expert comitte make decision that we no longer wait, because next launch opportunity probably the same (we simply need better computer).

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Total burn to Sarnus encounter is 2,600 sekundmeter. It completely use up stage 1 (Nuclear power, and did not work to our expectation)

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And then stage 2, which in fact needed for course maneuvre within Sarnus. But we have no alternative, because reach planet is absolute priorrity.

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Flight takes many years, until something happens again.

Eventually we wake up spacecraft and make the small course correction. But they cannot solve main problem, that probe is heading into Sarnus system much too fast, with ~ 2,500 m/s relative movement! That is much more we would like.

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After much struggle with flight trajectory, smart young technician conjures up steep maneuvre which brings us close enough to Sarnus to make pretty pictures. He also hope that encounter with moon Slate will slow us down.

Although no in Koviet Union fully understands gravity assist maneuvre, we have simple rule which may be right: That if probe fly ahead of Moon she will slow down, and if fly behind moon she will speed up. This time we fly ahead of Slate so it should make trajectory slow, not fast.

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Now come right into view Sarnus (with beautiful ringy) and Slate, for first time ever.

But as we marvel beautiful image, another problem arrive. Just a little later sun will dissappear behind Sarnus, and he will limit us with electric power during critical mission stage. Without power can not operate scientific instrument like radar scanner (probe much too far away anyway).

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After brief encounter probe make successful flyby from Slate and take this amazing picture. We can not slow down with almost empty tank, so flyby only takes only 2 hours. All the same this is already spectacular achievement for mission.

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Now mission approach the critical moment so far. As we race towards Sarnus ringy, it will be critical that we can slow down enough to achieve orbit. If this fails, probe will go out Sarnus system at other end, and mission already over. We only have a little fuel left, so was big concern that we can not use enough to make maneuvre.

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Now before critical moment is arrive, we have time to take several looks at gas planet.

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We also can take look back at moons: the Eeloo (white) and the Slate.

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At the closest perijelion approach, we can only hit brake full retrograde throttle and pray that it be enough.

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Success! It looks we can even spare some extra fuel. The probe is now complete capture within Sarnus, and she can extend for several years. We don't know if enough fuel to do other orbits or moons, but our specialists now have most important time to think, and perhaps free weekend.

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As P-1 begin first orbit of Sarnus, the mission has been success in reaching Sarnus (though most things did not work).

In any event we consider it first important step in our strategy for outer planets. It has give us experience before advanced probes will available.
 
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As international scientific community listen in silence, the more relaxed General Secretary talks about recent successes in space flight.

"I now answer question for plans of future exploration of cosmos. Our P-1 mission may only be the start, we will solve the question of improve the space instruments and more political cooperation. The imperialist America is ahead of us in many aspects, but in this political time we know that we must take step ahead of their regime!

Omsk technical institute has already begun new, improved probe that is extremely promising, and may allow more sophisticated missions. One step is better international cooperation and that we acquire help from foreign nations. We have reached agreement with East Kermany and Kerboslovakia economy that they provide precise instruments, and build new space telescope which we have copied from Great Brittannia.

General secretary made agreement to take key specialists from republic of Congo, which have previously built Congolese space program. He said they turned down monetary offers to work for interest of colonialist America and instead prefer cooperate with socialist comrades."
 
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Here are first images that specialists take with the new space telescope, operating from Kerbin. For him we simply make copy of Western model, that we receive together with British jet engine.

We think this only fair after Englishmen stole our data that we transmit unsafe without encryption, and put into Daily Express before us!

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Image of British device is of very high, amazing quality. This image is Minmus, best resolution possible from ground!


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The little that look like dirt: Duna and small moon. Planets like Eve and Duna does not look big from so far away, but still is a lot of improvement!


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And finally, this Moon from Kerbin, before we start zoom.


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But now look at this! This taken from same distance, with resolution of telescope full power.

There is still 1 problem. Telescope is heavy 1/2 ton, so really hard to put into other planet billions of kilometer away. But we will make attempt and hope we can be first!
 
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After the thread went on over 4 years, with all kinds of bullshit I did, new versions and updates, and other people dumping more bullshit of their own into my thread, it has become impossible to aim for anything resembling consistence. You may however notice that I initially attempted something like that, especially with regards to the Koviet Union and Kermany.

In the future I'll switch over to Real Solar System and do this in the form of a semi-consistent space race. In the real solar system the space race will have to go back to the beginning, while there are no rules in the stock game. Real Solar System is actually quite hard. With distances and gravities several times larger than KSP, I did not even manage yet to get my first spacecraft to the Moon (although I am close to it).
 
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ZBS NEWS

We are far behind the Russians, and will continue to be behind for a long time.

But after Sputnik we have been able to catch up somewhat.

As a first step, congress has released another 50 million dollar to develop a platform that would gets us into orbit.

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Our hopes rely on the Vanguard, which is quite cabable of bringing 2-3 tons into orbit. But it will break apart at the slightest overstress.

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So far this rocket has failed to become a reliable lauch platform, with approximately 50% of the launches turning into failures.

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But it also managed some successful flights, and got several satellites into orbits.

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We also made two attempts to send probes to the Moon. All of them failed, but we learned some important lessons.

First, we managed to understand the problem of orbital inclination. Unlike Kerbin, Earth's rotation axis is inclined with respect to the ecliptic, and also to the the Moon's orbit (which is just 5 degrees off the ecliptic). It means it is almost impossible to get to the Moon if an orbit's inclination is more than 1 or 2 degrees in relation to the Moon.

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The solution to this problem is to wait a few days until the inclinations match (this happens exactly twice every lunar month, or every 14 days). The solution for inclined earth rotation axis was a major step the towards our first lunar encounter, and will be just as important for planetary missions.

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With our last probe, we had high hopes it would reach the Moon. Everything began well with a successful insertion into an orbit with the right inclination.

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We also managed to find a very good trajectory for a lunar encounter. But during TLI it became clear that rocket did not have enough fuel to reach the moon (3,500 m/s deltaV), and got stranded half way, on an elliptical orbit.

We have currently begun a review of the project. In order to get to the Moon we have to understand if we must design new launch vehicles, or new procedures that conserve fuel, or both. Currently we favor stronger engines.

Also, even though we yet have to get our first spacecraft to the Moons's SOI, we have begun work on a lunar lander that could one day send the first images from the surface of the Moon.

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Here is a deltaV map of the real thing.

And as you can see, the numbers are frightening. 9,400 m/s just to get into low Earth orbit. Then another 4,000 m/s to get into lunar orbit.

Flying to the Moon is quite the challenge now *[1]. TMI to Mars is actually just 1,000 m/s more then TLI!

I currently need to totally re-design everything I did.

*[1]While 10,500 m/s is not really a problem, it would be rather stupid to build Nuclear or Ion powered spacecrafr to get a small probe to the Moon. The main challenge therefore is to do it with a reasonably small rocket propulsion system.
 
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We have reviewed the last missions. It seems the problem was the excessive weight that was added by the scientific equipment, especially the powerful telescope.

To achieve the first lunar flyby we are now considering a minimal mission, in which we leave out the heavy telescope and other equipment. The science department is of course not going to love this plan, but we better get something up into Lunar orbit soon, or we we'll lose again to the Russians!

We think we can reduce the probe mass to 0.7 tons, and have a lunar probe up by the next update!

If it really reaches the Moon, this is going to be called the Ranger Series.
 
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Meanwhile, our first generation of satellites has completed a partial radar scan of the Earth. With their highly inclined orbits, we were limited to a zone around the equator. If we want to scan the whole Earth, we must get something into polar orbit.
 

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Ranger 1 was used as a all-up test in Earth orbit, and it helped us detect flaws in the design, most importantly that the solar panel collided with the shroud and was ripped off. The solar panel is crucial for the mission, because due to weight considerations, we only have only this one.

Now, Ranger 2 heads off to the Moon!

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Due to the complications of the inclination window, the launch had to take place at night.

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Off it goes.

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Control of the Vanguard-1 rocket was a disaster, as it always is. But it held. Finally, after another uncontrolled TLI burn, we can separate the interlunar stage. Ranger is en route to a lunar encounter!

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We believe the lack of stability was due to our extreme weight savings, which lead to an asymetrical design with only 1 full solar panel and 1 battery! We had to use every trick that's in the book with this one, and it seems to work out ..

.. but our guidance people are not happy at all.

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It may not be the best trajectory, but gives us a lot of time to plan the next course corrections, when we have the encounter. Lunar encounter will begin in T+9 days, and end in T+15 days.
We are quite certain we will get into orbit, but in any event a flyby lasting 6 days is already assured.

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After a troubled launch, the ill-controlled Ranger is on the way to the Moon!
 
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Mods needs a lot of RAM, I had to enable the 3GB switch before I could continue. The game would crash every time I got within the moon SOI, and I was close to giving up the probe.

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Taken with the onboard science camera (which gives a modest magnification) at ca 70,000 km distance.

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Directly after SOI change we initiate a burn that will get the probe into orbit.
It burns retrograde for ca 1 km/s, eating up 1 third of the remaining fuel.

It must be said though that the mission still has a comfortable reserve of 2,000 m/s, so we'd possible even be able to land, if we want to ..

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We have decided to make it a polar orbit, so we get the most out of Rangers radar, to map all potential landing sites.

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Approach! At distance 10,500 km, for the first time Rangers small scientific camera reaches the magnification of the most powerful telescopes on Earth. Just 3 hours from now, it will see the dark side of the moon for the first time*[1
We will then do another Perihelion burn, get into a circular orbit and begin scanning the Moon's surface.

[1 The dark side will be in the shadow of the sun for a while, so we will not get good images in the first week.
 
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All right. Looks like we did it. After two more corrections we are in a polar orbit, roughly 400km orbit over the lunar surface.

We will stay in this height, until we are satisfied with the radar scanning. This should take 1 lunar month (28 days).

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The radar scanner has been switched on, and right before our eyes evolves a new map of the Moon.

If Ranger can provide us with a global map, the mission would have already fulfilled all scientific goals.

It should work out, but we must see if the probe is able to provide enough power when it enters the shadow of the Moon. Backup power is extremely limited with only one main battery in reserve.

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It also turned out that the lightweight science camera is good enough to observe the surface from orbit. The graphics engine can't handle higher terrain resolutions anyway, so it only becomes blurry if we zoom.

That means we need not carry the 500kg telescope on this type of mission anyway. This might be important for Mars missions. P.S. Interestingly, if you look at the deltaV map I posted before, a Mars mission should not have much higher deltaV requirements than the Moon .. So we may be able to send a Ranger to Mars as well.
 

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All right, so this mission has been a success in sending a probe on the 400,000 km journey to the Moon, and placing it in a stable orbit.

Even though there is a lot of fuel left, it's too short for a landing. The probe is not designed for that anyway.

Therefore it will stay in the present orbit. At this point in time it is more important to have an orbiter, that watches the Moon from a safe altitude.
 
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Some news from research and development.

Both the USSR and USA want to send robotic rovers/landers to the surface of the Moon, and possibly Mars. Such missions are currently in the planning phase. While no details are currently known, several car manufacturers have rushed forward with designs of their own.

Here are 2 promising designs:

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A sturdy version, which should be able to withstand some abuse, and wont tip over easily. Weighs ca 450 kg

Being solid as a rock, the Russians might like this, and it could be something for lunar missions.

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A weight reduced, much flimsier version. However, this one can do the same as the sturdy version, and weighs only 260kg.
It is too fast for it's own good, and can tip over. But also more agile and needs less power. This looks like NASA could chose it, and it seems best suited for a Mars mission.
 
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поехали!

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Meanwhile, the Soviet Union have taken the lead in lifting capability.

The R-7 can lift up to 9 tons into orbit, compared to just 3 tons of the US Vanguard.

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It made a number of successful flights, though there have also been an undisclosed number of failures.

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The rocket seems to be quite controllable as well, even though the Soviets don't get into extremely precise orbits, for a number of reasons.

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They are ahead in almost any respect, and have already been able to test re-entries.

There are rumors that a Soviet Moon-mission is assembled as we speak. In typical Russian fashion they are improvising a lot of the details along the way, and rely on the simplicity and structural strength of their design. Instead of planning everything in advance, they just want to get up as soon as possible, and use their superior lifting capability to get as much equipment to the moon as possible.
 
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Sovkosmos anounces that Luna-1 has taken off tonight, and is on the way to the Moon!

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The R7 in this configuration weighs roughly 350 tons. This is already several times the American rocket, and there is a lot more potential to upsize the rocket.

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Launch was unproblematic. Actually it was so dark I couldn't see anything, and flew the whole thing from Map view, the ship ended up in a a perfect orbit

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Luna-1 is currently on a free-return trajectory to the Moon

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The Soviets proudly state that the mission consists of three parts: a lander, a rover and an orbiter.
 

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All right. It seems the Soviet mission was a partial failure.

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Officially they announce the successful placement of their orbiter.

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It appears very healthy and thanks to the use of a radio-isotope generator (RTG), can remain in operation practically forever.

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As to the landing attempt, the did not say much. Only that Lunochod and landing stage separated and descended to the surface.

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It was briefly announced that this "experimental landing device" has crashed into the surface at ca 2000 km/h, and that they consider this a success (first lunar impact).

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Shortly before impact, the lander could send back some images from low altitude. One can't help but notice that the Moon looks totally dull and uninteresting.

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Foreign expert believe that the Soviets have underestimated the descent speed by several hundred m/s. It also seems the descent stage had several construction faults, which prevented a normal operation.

It may seem like a failure, but considering that they sent up several untried modules in one go, it's astounding how close they got to a spectacular landing. Since their orbiter is operating perfectly and it's RTG has much longer lifetime than the American counterpart, the mission must be considered a success. Even if they wanted more.
 
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The Soviet Union has been pushing relentlessly to the Moon. With 3 successive missions they finally achieved their goal to get to the lunar surface. The steps were placing satellites in orbit, then the first successful landing and then another landing that also carried the first autonomous lunar vehicle.

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They had the greatest success with their rocket, which has developed into a real workhorse.

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All stages of the R-7 are supremely controllable (without needing RCS by the way)

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Every launch carries 9 tons payload realiably into a precise 100km orbit, and she can probably be uprated to carry serveral tons more.

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The last and most succesful mission was Luna 3, placing the first operational Lunochod on the surface.

It was not easy.

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In order to achieve the required decelation they had to develop a special descent profile, which includes the so called suicide burn. Initial attempts to get down with less acceleration forces ended in failure.

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The USSR has the hardware on the surface, but it cost them millions of rubles.

It has turned out that lunar landings are only interesting for flight testing the hardware. The USA therefore considers skipping further lunar missions and work on something else. The next launch window to a challenging Mars mission is still 3 years out. But there is a Jupiter launch window in a little over 1 year and this mission could be much more exciting from the scientific viewpoint. The main problem is how to achieve the required acceleration to get there.

The combined efforts of USA and USSR have also resulted in an almost complete map of the lunar surface.

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Are you using a specially patched version of Kerbal Engineer Redux? The one I got on CKAN is giving me rubbish data in Realism Overhaul, both for atmospheric and vacuum settings.
 

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I am not using Realism Overhaul. Just this small MiniRO.cfg http://pastebin.com/DYvg603b that scales up the default engines. It was given to me by the maker of RSS, so I guess it's ready to use.
I think the numbers from Kerbal Engineer are more or less ok, although I sometimes did not understand things.

Realism Overhaul, Real Fuel and all that stuff are too complicated for me. When I tried RO had like a dozen dependencies to other mods, and the CKAN application does not work for me.
 

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