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nomask7

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Can I try?
Be my guest.

It became too much for me when he started debating with his imaginary friend about how certain things were indeed insane.

That was just a way of structuring a lesson/message.

You're of course free to ignore my ideas, but to do so because you're butthurt about the way I express them is pretty odd for a person who prides herself in being tough and able to take on the whole dangerous world of magic and what not.

If mere rhetorical conflict upsets you, what on earth are you doing dealing with far worse stuff like journeys to the underworld?
 

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... I don't even.

You are probably the only person I know who could have taken that line literally.

But, shrug. Whatever floats your magic carpet.
 

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On the other hand, I've never been laughed at when I've explained philosophy, so that was new. Surely understandable that I would interpret it as something other than amusement at my supposed retardation.

I think your arrogance is making you blind to the value I contribute to this thread, not to mention the value I could contribute if any of you had the imagination to inquire further.

Yes, I know, you respect traditions and knowledge about traditions. I don't respect them, because my experiences go beyond what any tradition has ever described or dealt with. You wouldn't know. Your arrogance blinds you.
 

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I have spent half the thread making fun of the Traditions. I teach highly heterodox Sorcery. I have said eventually I will teach Sorcery the Traditions consider forbidden, taboo, out of bounds. Most Traditions consider me an heretic.

Your conclusion: She respects and values tradition.



What do you contribute to this thread, again?

Because it isn't sagacity, that's for sure.
 

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I have spent half the thread making fun of the Traditions. I teach highly heterodox Sorcery. I have said eventually I will teach Sorcery the Traditions consider forbidden, taboo, out of bounds. Most Traditions consider me an heretic.

Your conclusion: She respects and values tradition.

You wrote this earlier:

Proper viewpoints from different traditions? Sure. A proper right hand witch to offer the complementary point of view and explain techniques which are biased to the other side of the conflict? Sure. 'LOL UR RONG CUS BUDDHA AN CUS I SAI SO'

Thank you, but no.

What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this except that you don't, can't, and won't give a damn about what I say unless it's identifiable and categorisable as an established viewpoint that you already respect on some level?


What do you contribute to this thread, again?

Because it isn't sagacity, that's for sure.

As if you could tell.
 

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*A* sword, rather than swords. But yeah, good times. I may see it's imperfections but I still put myself into it, take that as you will.

Well, it is still fascinating even if it is just one.

I even feel a bit sad I know very little Sorcery related to swords to teach you. Just that one thingie I mentioned, actually. And it deals more with demons than with swords proper. I wish I had something prettier to teach you on the topic.

Maybe I'll manage to find something around, just for you.
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What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this except that you don't, can't, and won't give a damn about what I say unless it's identifiable and categorisable as an established viewpoint that you already respect on some level?

... That your understanding of Buddhism is at the same level as that of endless other random westerling new age retards who don't know which way is up?
 

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What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this except that you don't, can't, and won't give a damn about what I say unless it's identifiable and categorisable as an established viewpoint that you already respect on some level?

... That your understanding of Buddhism is at the same level as that of endless other random westerling new age retards who don't know which way is up?

So at the basis of Buddha's exoteric philosophy wasn't the motivation to end all suffering? He seems to have identified suffering as being worse than good things are good, because he seems to have wanted to end it even if it meant the end of good things as well. He seems to have perceived the same discrepancy between suffering and happiness as I have perceived - and created the whole starting point of his whole philosophy from that understanding.

Of course, I'm not an expert in Buddhism and perhaps Buddha's esoteric teachings discarded the four noble truths and talked about something else entirely. This I don't really care about in the context of my rhetorical inclusion of Buddha, as it was just that, rhetorical.

Also, just to troll you a little:

Searching all directions
with your awareness,
you find no one dearer
than yourself.
In the same way, others
are dear to themselves.
So you shouldn’t hurt others
if you love yourself.

That would be Buddha as reported in Udana, but I doubt it is "articulate" enough for you (and of course it's kind of dumb compared with what I've been writing, but have it your way).
 

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One part of my experiences is what I call revelation: being made to see, to understand things. Just now my voice suddenly revealed to me how a version of the golden rule can be expressed (and proved) in pseudo logic.

The argument assumes formal equivalence between different people. X being one person, and Y being another person, and X = Y.

1. X wouldn't do super bad stuff to X.

2. Since X = Y...

3. X wouldn't do super bad stuff to Y.

Thus, Agassi can be demonstrated to be illogical and be operating against basic logic. (Like most women though.)
 

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Sigh.

You don't take a hint, do you?

'kay.



/ignored



If anyone believes something he said is a honest or interesting question which deserves a proper answer, ask and I will try to answer you.

But I am done wasting time on him.
 
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Dumb hopeless bitch is dumb and hopeless. Ignored as well - I'll let God sort you out. If planning murder were a crime in the States I would have FBI investigating you right now.
 

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*A* sword, rather than swords. But yeah, good times. I may see it's imperfections but I still put myself into it, take that as you will.

:lol:

OMO. You did it!

You actually managed to convince me to write a lesson on Barriers!

well thank ye, but learning barriers through part of a self-professed "left-hand" witches game isnt my idea of prudent and I still think y(our) view of metaphysics is demented. You might even have illustrated the problem with Lilith giving God he finger and God giving everybody the dick - but am unsure on the details of this.

You can use Physics to build an atom bomb. Is that a 'demented' application of Physics? Not really.

:( You really think so? out of all the possibilities the atom could offer the most known and popular and first? is as a bomb. Power for unlimited energy and manipulating the building blocks of matter and what we do is hoard giant exploding weiners in bunkers and posture. Lame.

One plus one equals mushroom cloud.

na way


Everything which exists emanates from the one thingie. Let's call it Dao. It follows, everything which exists is Dao approved. You singing Kumbaya, you sacrificing babies, a lion eating something cute, something cute eating something green, we posting in the Codex, him fapping at tranny porn. It is all 'Dao.'

cool


cool

cycles, mans place between them, stuck in the middle, the flow of the Dao

more or less cool, the flow of the Dao rings nice and reminds me of that neat maxim from martial arts where you are looking for how your opponent moves and using his energy against him. Stuck in the middle I dont believe though. If we can individually rise above our animal instincts and transform ourselves in accord with our highest hopes then why cant we do it as a race? What you said about civilization being a vessel for a spirit is scary true I think. Cant we manifest a spirit on the earth that flows with the Dao? There is the Dao and the Word, the "Dao " itself being a word and so always open to influence on its perception.

are not writing the metaphysical laws, we are discovering them and applying them

in discovering and applying them we are writing them, no? Not solely but still. Einstein chucks down his theory: oo-aah. Next guy modifies throwing everything in a different light again (a light only few will recognise, depending on where they directed their learing) oo-aah. Does it end? Do the angles from which you enter into new rooms influence your perception of that room?

You can kill a God, and it is on the list of things I want to do at least once before I die, but you can't kill the Dao, because 'death' is an aspect of Yin, and Dao is above Yin. It is neither alive nor dead. It IS.

We apprehend the Dao through Gods though, no? This has hella implications if its true. Sums up my above yabbering really. Also if you can talk on birthing/killing gods would be interesting

But westerlings seemingly can't deal with the idea of an uncaring universe, so they decided to try and ascribe human morality to the absolute. Everyone who is somebody did laugh, but they didn't notice. So the absolute is a loaded term.

Loaded by the east and west; if the Dao is how you say it is it laughs equally at both conceptions. Its also probable to me that the priests who ascribed this did it for teh lulz, knowing full well how it would namshub up people brains. Having people beleive in eternal damnation/salvation is pretty good if you can also get them to give you stuff to keep away your own bogeymen.

Westerlings in general seem to be able to think in terms of philosophy and religion alone. This is one of the elements which show the sickness. I have previously used the westerling terms to describe perceived currents in Daoism - Philosophical and religious. These terms I use merely because I know not of other westerling ones. Daoism is neither religion nor philosophy. Nor both. It is neither. There is DaoJia and there is DaoJiao, the lineage and the teaching.

Its not these two things, its the other two things! :P To apprehend the Dao you must use it as a prefix in your conceptions! Gon need more sorcery than that yo

The Dao is the ocean. Daoism is diving. There is no place to distinguish left and right hands, as there is no place to distinguish among them when it comes to physics. Dao is the context in which it all takes place. Left or right, you either understand the context or are grinded between cogwheels which didn't even knew you where here to begin with.

Wheres this understanding come from? Which virtue allows access to it? Where does this virtue come from? how is it generated (or reduced) in society?

So it is said, the Dao is the reward of the righteous and the refuge of the unrighteous. It is impersonal. It is the soil you toil and the mountain in which you hide from the law. Understand the soil and understand the mountain. If you do, you can benefit from it - Good or evil, it is the same to them.

I like this.

It has been argued modern civilization, or maybe civilization as we understand it, exists out of alignment with this. The reasoning is simple. Heaven, in witchtongue, is civilization to the utmost. All known civilizations reflect, in some way or another, this heavenly bureaucracy, with allowances for cultural and historical idiosincracies. But as we said, the lot of man is to be between Heaven and Earth. Some argue this implies small self sufficient and individual communities. It is also known such communities inherently keep the balance between the right and the left. This does not means such communities are inherently happy and devoid of suffering. It is impossible to avoid suffering. Everything which is below Yin and Yang must suffer and must rejoice. This means both the left and the right become intertwined, as it is proper. Everyone is of the left. Everyone is of the right. Everyone is, indeed, between Heaven and Earth.

Suffering begets joy, joy - suffering, yada yada but you can lessen suffering and some things - raping children and then eating them for personal power - dont need to be. Depends on our understanding - World is full of cunts so i should be the biggest cunt of all because why not theres nothing else outside of me and i need those baby juices so i can screw over them other cunts - Yeah we could sacrifice babies for power but its silly because our system of morals and codes creates a society where if sacrifice is needed its done with the willing permission of the offering who knows the ebb and flow of the "Dao" and done by a friend who also comprehends the "Dao" and the power (the greater power I believe) of self sacrifice within it. Both are legitimate. Talking about intertwined hands though -how would you compare this idea to:

caduceus_sm.jpg


The problem comes when the proper allignment is broken, as all problems do when it comes to the Dao. And the problem will always steem from the right. This is a metaphysical fact: The left is inherently reactive, and inherently antinomian. The left hand is 'destruction' and 'death.' Something must first be built for it to be destroyed. Something must first be born for it to die.

You going have abandon this dichotomy soon I think, it makes less and less sense trying to apply it to morality, which I guess is what im antagonizing you about. Left hand/right hand, proper alignment, metaphysical facts. I think the left hand got right handed long ago - alot of the dark wizards doing their dark stuff today arent operating as the death-destructors they might think they are but more as choirboys too self-absorbed to realise otherwise.

Nomask here demonstrates the problem quite well. Why must we hurt? Why must we suffer? Why don't others care about our pain? It all comes from this. They begin to lust for Heaven. They become blind to the purpose the other side serves. They forget, or choose to forget.

In a far more articulated form, so do you. We can build Heaven or Hell, so why do we build Hell? There is no Hell. There is Heaven, and there is Earth. You are perceiving Earth as punishment, and Heaven as reward. The one as worthy of striving for, the other as something to run away from.

Yah the importance of suffering, but its never good practice for a shepherd to herd his sheep to the tigers.

This has happened both here and in the west. But why did the west got so sick and twisted because of it? They lost understanding of the cycle itself. They were so scared of pain and suffering they rejected the very idea of it. They took the Tradition and twisted it to hide. The 'absolute' was inherently good. Morally good. Suffering was anathema. An aberration. Punishment.

Not sure so much lost as defy, but I spose lose understanding p much means that. How much you know about this?


Interesting. I get that the greater the heaven the greater the hell but I still think there is better ways*. Sorcery can abandon the dichotomies entirely. Teach how to unite them.

*All stemming from the imagination, the battleground of the real WW3

You get kinda dark after this.. short circuiting on Sitra Atra and wishing death and destruction on erryone. I dont mean for that.

So I won't be saying anything else about this topic.

Which topic is that though? Its meandered into all sorts of territory. My interest is in the relationships between metaphysics>(im)moral codes>imagination so if can still keep up a bit of dialogue that skirts those il be happy. The relationship between the Dao and civilization and story.

Which brings us to barriers.

weee
 
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This is the most interesting thread on the Codex. More on the Dao pls. Also nomask7 make ur own thread bro, I'd like to see your take on things. On a side note, wouldn't a circle work quite nicely if it was affixed to your person, instead of a location? Seems a bit silly to bind a barrier to location, barring speshul cases. And why do something as time-consuming as draw a circle? a twirl of the finger or some string around an arm could form a symbolic circuit with a barrier anyway. Right? I just don't get it. Then again, I'm becoming increasingly drunk as we speak.
 

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Also nomask7 make ur own thread bro, I'd like to see your take on things.

I've been thinking about writing an autobiography but if I included everything I want, I'd also have to reveal my name and other people's names and other personal information. I'm unsure if I want to do that. Now a thread would be fine but obviously not as effective in communicating my ideas, and all the less effective & credible the less I reveal personal information.

Or I could just say stop believing gigantic nonsense and use logic, philosophy and science and see where that takes you. For example, magic can't work backwards in time, because there's no time in the block-universe sense and even if there were, events in the past wouldn't be causally connected to events in the present. You just can't get around the absurdity of such ideas.

If you're the kind of person who understands what I just wrote there, you can take it as a starting point and see how it's absurd to think that magic can work backwards in time - and once you get this far, you've pretty much admitted you're not in control, that your magic is essentially not your own. I'd say you were mind controlled to cast the spell after this same mind controlling force had already orchestrated the events that you would later ascribe to your own conscious effort to perform magic. At this point the question is open whether this great force resides within you or outside you.

If inside, could it be your subconscious mind? I think neuroscience would be the most useful science here. I've heard the idea from a few sources that psychic abilities or magic abilities are genetic, related to bloodlines and so on. So basically what they're saying is that your power doesn't come from a soul that travels from life to life, but from the brain and the kind of brain you have. The problem with this perspective is that there's nothing in the brain that would explain magic powers, and I personally don't think there's anything there that would explain a subconscious mind with agency of its own.

Could the force be a spirit of some sort? Whether inside or outside or both. Maybe a group of spirits working together?

Do spirits make sense in this world? Enter physics. No, they do not, unless you assume this is a virtual world with background processes we can't see. Then there could be spirits because they'd be nothing but inaccessible-to-us background processes manifesting as spirits. I've read about what those who believe in spirits say about this stuff and their ideas are unbelievable garbage, like some sort of a joke. Ever heard of vibrational state in this connection? That sort of thing. There was even a book about it by an intelligent sounding person. I would emphasise 'sounding'. The content was nonsense.

But if this is a virtual world - and this becomes pretty speculative - but wouldn't it make sense for it to be moderated and its inhabitants to be toyed with? I'm drawing on psychology and evolutionary theory when I say, Yes, it would. So spirits or not, to me such a world would likely have some boss force above them, so you could just skip spirits as an explanation and start believing in God or Zeus or something.

I find that things make more sense if you assume a lot of central planning regardless of what you think about anything else anyway.

The most pervasive phenomenon in my life for years has been all kinds of mind control being applied and demonstrated to me. All kinds you could think of: possession involving blackout, control so subtle you have to identify it indirectly by contemplating the synchronicities involved, emotional manipulation of all sorts, hallucinations, manipulation of sense of time, manipulation of understanding - in general all forms of manipulation of perception, and so on. I've read about demonic possession and I've read about schizophrenia but I've never read about the things I have experienced.

The voice always seems to know everything that goes around me. It draws my attention to things or has prepared some sort of joke that must be perfectly timed to what's happening around me or it says something with perfect timing just when something else happens, just as "Goddamn!" whenever there's a noisy thump, exactly at the same time with obvious foresight. This sort of thing is very regular.

It's also incredibly funny - just the tone/sound of voice and its 'character' is super funny. I've never heard or read about anything like it anywhere. Not in accounts about demons or invading spirits, not in accounts of schizophrenia. You wouldn't understand but I get the impression it couldn't have been created except by some sort of unbelievable machine intelligence. It's so comedic perfection and even the language it uses seems like made for it, it's just a perfect package. Nothing like it anywhere.

Anyway, I've also been made to see mind control around me, the people I interact with as well as society at large. For example, are people really so dumb that they don't understand fate implies mind control of the subtlest sort? I'm not sure otherwise bright people would fail to see the implication unless they were being mind controlled to some extent. Not that I know. I myself didn't see it for the longest time, so obvious in retrospect and so sudden an understanding that I ascribe it to revelation or the lifting of blocking. What's more though, fate implying mind control is an idea I've rarely come across anywhere, never in any writings of any religion or philosophy. I think the ancient Greeks may have been aware of it but I haven't read about it. I think the idea is expressed explicitly or at least assumed with full knowledge in Thackeray but I'm not sure. Charles Fort wrote a book about mind controlling aliens and destroyed it before it was published. Admittedly, I don't read much so maybe this is just my own inexperience and not people's blindness. Still, it seems like it's not just the average joes who don't see the implication of fate, it's our greatest thinkers and mystics who you don't hear commenting on it.

What this has to do with magic is that if fate is real - meaning, if at least some (important) parts or aspects of our lives are determined - then mind control is real. If mind control is real, then any magic requiring merely minds to be controlled could be seen as the result of this mind control and not your own supposed powers. Occam's razor.

Well, if my experiences were limited to mind control, they wouldn't be of much use in explaining all of magic. But the voice has not only demonstrated mind control to me, it seems to have demonstrated materialisation and dematerialisation as well. I've certainly had my cellphone teleported to my pocket in such a way that any other explanation than teleportation seems far fetched.

So, not just mind control but reality control. Control in general, it seems.

I could certainly understand the funny in watching little human apes hurting themselves and hurting others while chanting some nonsense and imagining they're powerful wizards, while in fact they're just toys and puppets. How cute and funny!

One thing I'd bet on is you're not going to understand much just by relying blindly on superficial medieval speculation about spirits and demons. It's the 21st century that gave us the proper tools to understand this stuff. Anything older you can probably discard safely as an explanation.

I'd recommend reading "Beyond the Occult" by Colin Wilson to get an idea of what strange things others have experienced that's already been written down in a book.
 

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I would appreciate it as well if the lessons were continued. As indicated before, I have been more of an armchair occultist until now, but I would like to intensify the practical side of it. Having read dozens of books on the matter, I am actually impressed by the knowledge of Agassi; I can assure you that she knows her stuff well. The critique on the LBRP was spot on and reflects several thoughts which I also had with regard to the underlying problems. I also understand nomask7's points; however, the approaches of him and Agassi are simply incompatible - the lion and the elephant can't reach a consensus on how to ideally live one's life. There are different ways for different types of people.
 

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I devised this throaty, deep cackle, it's the best ever.

Although I've had to retire from the game for the moment, I still follow the thread and do some things when I have the chance. I'd love to see it go on.
 
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That actually makes me regret not going with the original thread title I was going to use, Liber CDXLIX vel Neko. I was even going to do a very silly spoof of those first pages you see in old grimoires which go all 'of this, and of that, and about how this happened, and of the secrets of that guy, and so on' with huge unmatching font sizes and everything, but I thought only a few would get both jokes while the rest is just confused and WTF so I scrapped the idea.



I would appreciate it as well if the lessons were continued.

They will continue. However, something happened which forced me to change the way I was approaching this and reformulate much of my 'plan of study.' More importantly, it made me scrap the whole of the next lesson, and those walls of text don't write themselves. They should. T.T

However, I don't want to go very fast either. I want to focus on the practical first and foremost, so even if I go and somehow manage to write a super duper awesome Grimoire I am kind of defeating my own purpose if I don't give people the time to assimilate, practice, and experiment along the way.

Not to mention I can attest how hard it is to start by the begining when you have already read the thingies at the end. One of the first thingies I learned is to never go and read the second chapter until I have managed to get good results with the first, and to never ask what's the second step until I am well into the first. Otherwise the begining becomes frustrating and infuriating to deal with.

As in, drop the bloody breathing exercises and give me fireballs, dood!

Kind of.



I devised this throaty, deep cackle, it's the best ever.

Sorcery is not all which makes a proper witch. There's also the hat, the really shorty dresses, the nice long legs, the dainty figure, the big pretty eyes, the childish face, the adorably mischievous smile, and, of course, the cackle. So developing a good cackling technique is truly important.

In other words, you get an A+ for initiative.
 

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I also understand nomask7's points

She doesn't. Which is why it's so obscene that she believes herself to be the rational one.

As for her magic lessons - it's all laughable bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if these methods managed only to stifle natural ability. She herself has said a proper witch has her own methods, so why is she now teaching methods as if someone could possibly benefit from it? Most curious.

I hope she's a troll because otherwise she's one of the saddest clowns I've ever had the displeasure to know of.
 

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Well, it all comes down to incompatible ways. As indicated before, there is no point in an argument about food between a carnivorous animal and a herbivorous animal, or - to bring up a cliché quotation - "one man's meat is another man's poison". I have studied quite a lot of religious/occult groups, different methods of achieving transcendence etc., and, while there was a lot of trash, there were also some highly remarkable cases on both ends of the spectrum (call them "right hand path"/"left hand path" or whatever arbitrary dichotomy seems fit). During my personal studies, I have developed a rather reliable bullshit detector and I hardly ever encountered anyone on the internet who wrote more than 20 sentences on the occult without activating that detector. It hasn't been activated once during the walls of texts which Agassi posted and that is quite an achievement. Except for a number of occult book authors, I only encountered one other person on the internet who was capable of doing that and that was the leader of an O.T.O. chapter who had developed his own perspective without slavishly following Crowley.
Nomask, you are obviously inclined to a way which would be categorized as "right hand path" and that is great as it is. It's your way and you will make the best of it. Still, other approaches work better for a different type of person with different dispositions, even though their methods sometimes appear repulsive. If you study traditional shamanism, some currents of Hinduism (especially the Aghori), older European folk religion or phenomenons such as Palo Mayombe, you will encounter things that seem to be unbelievable, but they work. The "darkness" has basically been a part of the religious history of the entire world since ancient times.
Personally, I don't agree with some parts that Agassi has written with regard to what seems to be her concept of strength, the supreme "alpha" and the importance of selfishness. I did agree with it a few years back, but I personally came to the conclusion that it's highly counterproductive (at least as long as the concepts of strength and self aren't transcended in an "Evolian" sense, if you will). It is possible to use the methods of the LHP without damaging others and there is also the possibility of a "far-sighted egoism" (apparently Agassi alluded to that concept as well), but one could discuss these points ad nauseam without achieving anything. They definitely have to be discussed on a social level, but with regard to magic one primarily has to see what actually works. It happens rarely enough that someone is capable of even the most insignificant phenomenon in that regard. What we get in this thread is high level "left hand path" education for free and we can choose what we want to apply.
 
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Well, it all comes down to incompatible ways. As indicated before, there is no point in an argument about food between a carnivorous animal and a herbivorous animal, or - to bring up a cliché quotation - "one man's meat is another man's poison". I have studied quite a lot of religious/occult groups, different methods of achieving transcendence etc., and, while there was a lot of trash, there were also some highly remarkable cases on both ends of the spectrum (call them "right hand path"/"left hand path" or whatever arbitrary dichotomy seems fit). During my personal studies, I have developed a rather reliable bullshit detector and I hardly ever encountered anyone on the internet who wrote more than 20 sentences on the occult without activating that detector. It hasn't been activated once during the walls of texts which Agassi posted and that is quite an achievement. Except for a number of occult book authors, I only encountered one other person on the internet who was capable of doing that and that was the leader of an O.T.O. chapter who had developed his own perspective without slavishly following Crowley.
Nomask, you are obviously inclined to a way which would be categorized as "right hand path" and that is great as it is. It's your way and you will make the best of it. Still, other approaches work better for a different type of person with different dispositions, even though their methods sometimes appear repulsive. If you study traditional shamanism, some currents of Hinduism (especially the Aghori), older European folk religion or phenomenons such as Palo Mayombe, you will encounter things that seem to be unbelievable, but they work. The "darkness" has basically been a part of the religious history of the entire world since ancient times.
Personally, I don't agree with some parts that Agassi has written with regard to what seems to be her concept of strength, the supreme "alpha" and the importance of selfishness. I did agree with it a few years back, but I personally came to the conclusion that it's highly counterproductive (at least as long as the concepts of strength and self aren't transcended in an "Evolian" sense, if you will). It is possible to use the methods of the LHP without damaging others and there is also the possibility of a "far-sighted egoism" (apparently Agassi alluded to that concept as well), but one could discuss these points ad nauseam without achieving anything. They definitely have to be discussed on a social level, but with regard to magic one primarily has to see what actually works. It happens rarely enough that someone is capable of even the most insignificant phenomenon in that regard. What we get in this thread is high level "left hand path" education for free and we can choose what we want to apply.

Have you read "The Magus of Strovolos"? It's about a guy who can do pretty much anything you can think of, and he never has to use pain, sex, or anything else supposedly "more intense" or "more powerful". Also, never has to meditate in a group for a week to get shit done. Just does it, shit gets done immediately. His healing magic is out of this world. He can also astral travel to speak with people whenever he wants as well as do unbelievable transformation of matter. All he has to do is just do. This is also my experience regarding the best way to accomplish what you call magic: you just do it. Agassi's methods are perfect for making you unable to do anything because you're putting effort into something that works best the less effort is involved. This is probably not a palatable approach for try hards like Agassi whose only content in life is being huge try hards. People who have to try to do magic for weeks before they get their "it just happens" moment. They think the whole weeks were required. Perhaps only the one moment was required and a simple "just do it" approach would have worked if these people weren't such try hards.

I should point out you're providing acceptance to a person who has revealed her plan to torture-murder orphans, presumably children (remember, everybody else is the irrational one). Anyone in this thread who doesn't want this deluded doll in prison until she has learned something about being human is morally despicable.

When I was in my teens I was stuck in the kind of peculiar subjective-objective dichotomy that isn't itself objective and that Agassi is stuck in, and believed all ethics boiled down to "that's just your opinion man". Truth is, it's a crappy mental model. It doesn't model reality well at all. It's some really deep shit when you're 16. You have to be in some way retarded to believe it's a valid point of view when you're 20. Seriously. TORTURE IS REAL, PAIN IS REAL, IT ISN'T SOME FUCKING EGO TRIP TO BE CONQUERED.

Oh, and I've never, ever heard of hallucinations, whether of demons or robots or anything else, kill anyone. So what is supposed to be the big deal about all this demon summoning and underworld traveling? How about that and your bullshit meter? Anyone who plays with her little hallucinations and claims it's serious badass shit that can't be taught until you're advanced badass yourself is pretty deluded. Where's your bullshit meter?

I'd also be greatly interested in her sources with respect to her Adam and Lilith fanfiction. Would you really expect to find that stuff in a book that sources actual mythology? Because me, I wouldn't. She probably has her reasons for writing bullshit, and I hope but very much doubt those reasons are ordinary girly "tee hee i am getting away with saying bullshit to these people, tee hee".

Anyway, I've never heard of any witch ever amounting to a hill of beans. She of course has this fantasy delusion that every successful person these days is a psychopathic magician of some sort or under their control, but as far as any actual evidence goes, witches are mostly known from being burned or hanged at their prime. Somehow it's always women, as if it takes a very special sort of special needs retard to even get involved in such solipsistic waste of time.

There are some well known psychics who accomplish magical deeds just by doing it, but nobody has ever heard of evil magicians accomplishing anything at all except ruining lives, including their own. Perhaps that's the joke, and it's of course sad because she's someone who does have potential. It's a pity. I guess true fairness requires such victims too. It wouldn't be right if only the least talented of us became doomed losers. Shame.
 

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While the ocassional trolling and jokes entertain both myself and those who lurk my little thread, an endless discussion on ethics and philosophy does not, nor do the constant ramblings of yet another tryhard Normie the likes of which believe themselves unique yet seem to grow on trees. While I have the option to ignore this my associates do not as even to register an account in this shithole seems to now require validation, for all the good it has done. Therefore, and while I was expecting to continue it for a while longer at least, this little experiment of mine is for all intents and purposes over.

It may eventually continue in my private blog if I am able to properly segment it so that access to a section does not imply access to the whole, in which case I will send some of you the URL as well as a login and a password unique to you. All of this will be handled by PMs, so leave a post in this thread or send me a PM if it is your desire to eventually continue. Given the reading comprehension displayed by one in particular, I may or may not, depending on who you are, ask a few questions before sending you the url and login information, when the moment comes.

Until then, all further discussion on this topic with me should be carried in the form of PMs. Feel free to send me one if you have an intelligent question or wish to discuss something in particular related to this.

That is all.
 
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