Are you serious bro?
You're ignoring everything I'm saying and taking what you can out of context. But.. here we go I suppose:
And why do you think the Elminage games were released in the West, and probably even in Japan? Somebody just randomly decided "Hey, let's give this to the gaijin to be nice even though the West has no market for the genre." If you can't tell Etrian Odyssey played a role in that, I feel sorry for your parents.
Yes, yes, it is. Squaresoft released Ehrgeiz and was still considered excellent in the 90's even up until around 2000. What's your point, exactly? That a company is only good if they release flawless games every time? How many other companies known for JRPG's are still releasing acceptable games to this day? Atlus, and......
For the first argument, that's extremely recursive thinking. Thanks to the success of blobbers in the west, mostly Wizardry 1-3 (for this particular argument), these games were translated and given to Japanese people who then made a shit ton of games based on that engine and then were polite enough to release them back west thanks to other Japanese developers releasing games in our market that were based on games we released in theirs. Seriously, the first wiz 1-3 clones coming out of japan that I can think of off the top of my head would include games like Dragon Quest.
Besides, I never said EO wasn't a good time. I even commented on how some people enjoy it, and merely remarked that it wasn't a revolution. What is your point here? The fire didn't start burning with EO dude. I'm glad you enjoy your homogenized jrpgs, make sure to thank just about every western rpg developer prior to 1986, not 4-5 titles released by some corporate machine in the last 10 years.
Ehrgeiz is closer to a rogue-like than a blobber? Not to mention being an action rpg? I didn't say they were bad bro, chill. Atlus is completely competent, they made a few great games and even bottled lightning with Nocturne (Lucifers Call), but mark my words if they don't focus on cloning their Persona 3/4 formula until
that particular license to print money runs out. I'm glad you like it, lots of people did, still doesn't make it a great game. Not everyones reasoning is valid, ya know? A lot of people like huffing paint, doesn't make it a good idea.
Why bring up Squeenix at all? You are aware the world isn't Square, right? Square gave me some good times as a kid, sure, but they aren't some idol or something. Not to mention, most of the people working at Square in those days, making games in general in those days at any company, aren't making games anymore. Some are even dead. Get over your fanboyism.
...Have you? You're aware Persona is part of the series, right? An offshoot, but it's considered Megaten otherwise.
Yes.
But mostly no.
Persona is NOT part of the mainline SMT franchise. There is some bullshit in there about how the two are connected, but they aren't the same games. Seriously, if you had ever played a mainline SMT game, the above wouldn't even need disputing. NEXT!
Guess you've never actually played an RPG before, huh.
Gee, guy, I guess not. Thank you for showing me the way, your omnipotence! Seriously? Is this a serious statement? What are we, 11?
NO, you're a poopoo head! GTFO
Companies want to make money, HOLY SHIT WHAT A REVELATION.
Yeah, if you've payed any attention to the japanese market, things aren't going so well globally. They make plenty in their own country by whoring out mobile software, but as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they're either too scared or too dumb to make that money. Are you fucking with me? Was this a revelation to you? Or was it supposed to be a revelation to me? I actually have an idea how software is designed and marketed from a developers POV buddy, so I know you weren't talking about me.
Yes, argue that the majority of Westerners don't give a fuck about a niche company bringing niche games over for a niche audience. Solid reasoning. Hell, they even brought over Divinity II, so they have branched out (albeit sparsely) to western games.
I don't need to? Nor have I? See your own above quote. Companies need to make money. Atlus is niche, sure. Who cares if they ported Divinity 2? Have you played Divinity 2? You're not exactly supporting your own argument here.
Also, casually leave out games like Odin Sphere, Class of Heroes, Dragon's Crown, Demon's Souls (Even though it was heavily imported from Southeast Asia), and Radiant Historia. These are highly insignificant if you have any interest in actually having fun while gaming, right?
In your own words:
Maybe you've heard of it. If you've been playing JRPG's since you're a kid, Atlus is one of the few names you can still look at with fondness today.
I described the games Atlus was personally responsible for publishing when I was a kid. I've been an adult since all of the above mentioned titles were published. Now your age really is starting to show. I'm glad you got to grow up in what many considered the greatest era for Jrpgs, mainly the PS2 era. I still have fond memories of that period of my life, and it contributes to a lot of the disappointment I feel today when I look at more recent jrpgs.
Regardless:
Odin Sphere is a garbage Arpg, and so is Dragon's Crown. Demon's Souls was
published by Atlus in the west, but
developed by From Software on commission by
Sony whom presently owns this IP. Class of Heroes is just another Wiz 1-3 ripoff. SO much innovation. Much wow. Radiant Historia I have no comment on, I hear it was a great game and fairly unconventional. An argument could be made for Radiant Historia, if the fucking story didn't begin and end with "Radiant Historia is a thing!" Yay. Yawn.
