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Technology Inconvenient EU piracy study kept hidden for years.

Discussion in 'SCIENCE!!' started by racofer, Sep 22, 2017.

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    Where are the moralfags now to argue on the wrongness of piracy? It even helps your favorite backyard developers to earn money.
     
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  2. FeelTheRadsgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    But what if everyone bought everything they downloaded, huh? Huh?
    Every download is a lost sale, including multiple downloads by the same person, you fucking pirate!
     
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    It's easier to blame piracy for lost sales than to try to improve their own business or product. Thus the reason why executives blowing the horn of antipiracy.
     
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    What if everybody would pirate everything? Do you think that would affect anything at all? Like, if shit is even being made?
     
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  5. FeelTheRadsgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    I'm guessing the correct answer is... no?

    In which case, seeing as shit is still being made I'm also guessing not everyone is pirating. Which would never happen just as it wouldn't happen that everyone who pirates something would've bought it.
    Which was what I meant... equating piracy with loss is dubious since there's no way to tell who would've bought if they had no opportunity to pirate. Consider that even in that case, if someone bought something they might then not afford to buy something else... and then what? That's also a lost sale. It's like these huge corporations think everyone has an infinite amount of money.
    I do assume that this can hurt small businesses, though. I mean the kind of business that could get by with the extra sales from those that could indeed afford to buy but just don't, which sucks, I guess.

    As for getting extra sales as a result of piracy, I don't know how true that is. And this maybe wouldn't be relevant for 1st worlders, but I know that growing up in a post-communist shithole, if there was no piracy, I most likely wouldn't have gotten a computer and learned to use it and later make money with it and purchase shit.
     
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    *Shit* is subjective definition. One man's junk is an other man's treasures and all that... still, when everyone can get an 'extended demo' of a hyped product and find out it is actually NOT like it was advertised (one recent game comes to mind), it does provides less incentive for shenanigans like that at the very least.
     
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  7. FeelTheRadsgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    That's also true, I'm sure piracy stops some sales when people see what they would've thrown their money on otherwise. Trying as hard as possible, I can't see that as a bad thing, especially given how difficult historically has been to return software products. Even currently, you can't return boxed software if it was opened... so... basically, after you tried it and decided that it's shit.
     
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    I saw a study less than 2 years ago, where they found people who pirate movies spend the most on going to cinema, buying dvds, and subscription to cable.

    I'm not surprised Hollywood movies are down 5%, I expected it to be far more, because the quality of scripts has generally been poor for decades. For some reason they can make these movies look incredible, but when it comes to substance it just isn't there.
     
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    In all fairness, whether or not piracy has a positive impact on the business side of things really has little bearing on the ethical side of the argument.
     
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    No, they would not pirate everything. Because they dont want it, and there's too many thing to pirate already.

    Let me use an example in the book industry.

    There's a lot of pirating in books, what with the prevalent of ebook. Still, there's a few authors that wont get pirate the first three months after it's available, the period of time when most of the possible sales occur. They will get pirated eventually, but in term of possible sale damage, that period of time is most important.

    Because the author's writings are not to the taste of possible pirates, that's why. And there's just no telling who will get pirated or not. No. Telling. At All. Some NY list best seller author wont get it, while some new authors get it first month. Or vice versa.

    No, they would not pirate everything.
     
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    I've been saying this for years.

    Don't hold your breath waiting to ever hear about this in the MSM tho.
     
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    What if everybody would flush their toilets at the same time? Do you think that would affect anything at all? Like, if shit is even being flushed?
     
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    Yeah, or they just enjoy the game or buy it when it's cheap enough to be affordable. But ofc it's because of presale bonus content and shit...

    I'm all for not pirating everything but just because someone illegally downloads/watches something doesn't mean he would automatically have bought it otherwise.

    Anyway, I guess I'm too dumb to read that chart or I'm not getting their negative hyperbole statements. It's actually way more positive than they make it. For games only 18% are illegally downloading them and that includes Poland!

    I guess their price policy (Steam sales and preorder with content hostages) and going away from physical copies (which includes physical materials other than the fucking dvd) are more responsible for piracy nowadays. Making it modding unfriendly and stuffing it out with draconian drm makes it even more appealing to just download a game, finish it once and than delete it instead of keeping it on your hd, shelf and heart.
     
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    You wouldn't download a car. Unless you want to boost car sales.
     
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    The obvious solution is to make your product so shitty people won't bother trying to pirate it
     
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    Those are also the ones that benefit the most from every additional mouth saying that whatever they are selling even exists.
     
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    Could be, I guess. Maybe in the end it all evens out. :happytrollboy:
     
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    I would imagine the biggest effect would be on the relationship between obscurity, quality, and marketing. No idea how it all shakes out, but my instinct is that while it might make a small difference in total sales, it might be shifting a ton of those sales towards or away from more obscure games and doing the opposite with highly marketed games.

    It can't help but improve things for better quality games though. More info in the hands of the consumer is a good thing.
     
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    I absolutely agree. Although I will likely discontinue citing any kind of negative impact on the business aspect of the argument due to studies like this, it will never sway me to excuse people who do it. The ends don't justify the means.

    If and when the computer games industry, however, gets wise and starts re-implementing widespread use and promotion of generously lengthy and detailed demos, hopefully rendering piracy far less of an issue at all, I will say it was ultimately a good thing.
     
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    I disagree, the effect of an action has a lot of bearing on how ethical that action is. Not a lot of point arguing about it though, just wanted to say I think you are dumb for thinking differently.
     
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    Eh I wouldn't worry about pirates, as they never cared about your game anyway. Just make a community and attract long term supporters. Ones who do it right are the Pro Fantasy people. Every year or so they send emails with info about free bug fixes and improvements. And there is a magazine with addons they sell. I've spent a lot on them over the years.
     
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    The funny thing is... yeah, that's the main reason I don't pirate games anymore.
     
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    Yeah, with 40+ gigabyte isos pirating these days feels like you need to plan this shit and actually see if its worth the trouble.
    Now imagine wasting all that bandwith on stuff that turned to be shit, and you've gotten it legally too.

    I'm glad this study actually came to light. It's like a small victory for common sense.

    I feel I kinda needed that, because I am fresh after demoing Senua's Sacrifice after being mislead that it's actually worth my time, and felt like I dodged a freaking bullet.
    So, to all you guys yammering about ethics, riddle me this: If I watch this shit through on youtube, do I still owe them 30 Euro, or can I make that up by disabling adblock for this session?
    Bonus question: Do I get a discount for enduring some faggot's ugly mug leering at me in the corner?
     
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    So we now need free demos to decide if shit is worth pirating?
     
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