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Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
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Metro
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I played it when it was called Hotline Miami 1.Let me get this straight, you are providing an opinion on a game you didn't play?
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Oh, so this is actually worse, well that's a shame. 
Cargo cult Europeans do it again. Like a good sequel takes what works from its predecessor and does more of the same, preferably better and removes or improves the stuff that didn't work but it seems like these jokers thought to themselves "bigger and more is better, right?"
Cargo cult Europeans do it again. Like a good sequel takes what works from its predecessor and does more of the same, preferably better and removes or improves the stuff that didn't work but it seems like these jokers thought to themselves "bigger and more is better, right?"
phtmyr
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Levels should be consisted of small tight areas. You plan a path, premeditate and perform a series of executions to get through. That is challenging and satisfying. That sort of level design also makes AI's flaws stand out less. In Hotline Miami 2 the ideal way to deal with the stages seem to be waiting around a corner or behind a door, lure enemies towards you and hit them with a pipe.
Accomplishing a single difficult challenge rather than series mediocre challenges is less frustrating and more satisfying.
Needless to say I've just finished the prison stage and I'm not happy.
Accomplishing a single difficult challenge rather than series mediocre challenges is less frustrating and more satisfying.
Needless to say I've just finished the prison stage and I'm not happy.
Average Manatee
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Picked this up since it looked like an interesting tacticool Crimsonland. Is the game supposed to control like shit?
1. Mouse aiming is really laggy with some weird acceleration or slowdown.
2. View isn't locked to character so whenever you aim you have to aim a second time because the camera shifted when you shifted your aim causing your aim to be wrong.
3. To see more than 10 feet you have to use the shift-view, which makes #2 around 100000x worse and makes any kind of active play useless, so its only useful for scouting and sniping.
Game would seem to be pretty fun for me if they could make shift simply zoom out, lock the camera to your character, and not fuck with my mouse so that it functions the same in-game as it does in my OS.
1. Mouse aiming is really laggy with some weird acceleration or slowdown.
2. View isn't locked to character so whenever you aim you have to aim a second time because the camera shifted when you shifted your aim causing your aim to be wrong.
3. To see more than 10 feet you have to use the shift-view, which makes #2 around 100000x worse and makes any kind of active play useless, so its only useful for scouting and sniping.
Game would seem to be pretty fun for me if they could make shift simply zoom out, lock the camera to your character, and not fuck with my mouse so that it functions the same in-game as it does in my OS.
Grim Monk
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Was going to buy full price to support the team, but something told me to wait.
Even a
two man Indie Dev team is not safe from the 
.
Yet another case of Dark Souls 2/Risen 2 style "Developer forgetting how to make their own game" syndrome...
Hope the Dev's respond to criticism and releases an fix/overhaul patch.
Even a
two man Indie Dev team is not safe from the .Yet another case of Dark Souls 2/Risen 2 style "Developer forgetting how to make their own game" syndrome...
Hope the Dev's respond to criticism and releases an fix/overhaul patch.
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I found the best missions were The Writer's, Jake's, and Richter's, if only because they maintained a level of balance between the amount of gunners and the size of the levels. The absolute worst levels for me was the Soldier's and the Detective's (save for the last on of the latter, which I thought was pretty good). They had the issue of an overabundance of gunner enemies, wide-open environments where you can just get shot from offscreen, fat enemies mixed in which break the flow of combat, and literal popamole sections where enemies are totally immune to gunfire until you wait for them to pop out of cover, which are just tedious to deal with.
sser
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Aye. Anything that slows down the pace just seemed counter-intuitive to the design. The last thing I want in Hotline: Miami is a fucking top-down cover shooter, which is exactly what a lot of those scenarios become.
The only baiting I have to do really is with Beard because his levels are huge and open. Other than that I just barge in and kill everyone in mostly one go, especially with the Fans, Richter, Jake and The Son. I aced Death Wish yesterday just like that: killed everyone in one go with Mark (got a dreadfully awesome combo for that, something like 22), massacred everyone with Tony (initial 11x combo) and finally, despite a bug that spawned me right into the line of fire of an M16-wielding guy, killed everyone in two combos with Alex & Ash. Corey's part is way more difficult and my route is not optimal yet.
It's harder to find routes for these levels because the lines of sight are way bigger, there's glass almost everywhere and some enemy placements are really tough (fat gangsters are more prominent than in HM1), but once you know them it's not that hard.
Though to be honest, as soon as the editor is released I'll start making levels more in the vein of HM1's: smaller rooms and random weapon pickups on the ground.
It's harder to find routes for these levels because the lines of sight are way bigger, there's glass almost everywhere and some enemy placements are really tough (fat gangsters are more prominent than in HM1), but once you know them it's not that hard.
Though to be honest, as soon as the editor is released I'll start making levels more in the vein of HM1's: smaller rooms and random weapon pickups on the ground.
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Shadowfang
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Weren't they going to release an editor with this one?
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So I finished the game, and it's a really 90s style sequel, the American Revolt to Hotline Miami's Syndicate. An extended mission pack where everything is bigger and the difficulty is turned up to 11.
This can be fine if you git gud, and it is quite amazing what skacky is capable of, but for plain, average players like me, it limits your options to sticking to a few select paths and exploiting gimmicks like there is no tomorrow. If you don't do that, the game punishes you by killing you again and again until you either git gud, or obey its will. Paradoxically, there is not enough margin of error to go wild. The levels, as large as they are, are generally a lot less "permeable", with fewer access points into different rooms; many players will find themselves effectively railroaded. Combine this with less choice in selecting your playstyle due to character restrictions, and HM2 is significantly less replayable than HM1. HM1 was mostly designed around monster closets. Apparently, Dennaton thought everyone loved that part of Hot and Heavy where you have an area with four rooms surrounded by corridors and lots of glass everywhere. And granted, it was a good level, once. In HM2, you run into this kind of situation constantly.
I find the large levels to be another problem. It makes death a harder consequence, since you don't lose 10-20 seconds of progress, but up to several minutes. When the last parts of a level are about removing some of the trickier enemy chokepoints (like the ever-present attack dogs or those fucking jumping inmates), replaying that mostly safe, practiced 80% turns into tedium. There is also a high chance the AI will glitch, which turns them unpredictable. This happens a lot with dogs, who lock into spinning around, then strike out unpredictably to kill you.
There are some excellent missions in this game, some good characters, and sometimes you get both at the same time, but it is weaker than Hotline Miami. Not a bargain bin game, but I foresee myself replaying HM1 a lot more than this one.
Finally, maybe I didn't get something, but the ending was a complete non-sequitur. Can someone explain where that came from?
This can be fine if you git gud, and it is quite amazing what skacky is capable of, but for plain, average players like me, it limits your options to sticking to a few select paths and exploiting gimmicks like there is no tomorrow. If you don't do that, the game punishes you by killing you again and again until you either git gud, or obey its will. Paradoxically, there is not enough margin of error to go wild. The levels, as large as they are, are generally a lot less "permeable", with fewer access points into different rooms; many players will find themselves effectively railroaded. Combine this with less choice in selecting your playstyle due to character restrictions, and HM2 is significantly less replayable than HM1. HM1 was mostly designed around monster closets. Apparently, Dennaton thought everyone loved that part of Hot and Heavy where you have an area with four rooms surrounded by corridors and lots of glass everywhere. And granted, it was a good level, once. In HM2, you run into this kind of situation constantly.
I find the large levels to be another problem. It makes death a harder consequence, since you don't lose 10-20 seconds of progress, but up to several minutes. When the last parts of a level are about removing some of the trickier enemy chokepoints (like the ever-present attack dogs or those fucking jumping inmates), replaying that mostly safe, practiced 80% turns into tedium. There is also a high chance the AI will glitch, which turns them unpredictable. This happens a lot with dogs, who lock into spinning around, then strike out unpredictably to kill you.
There are some excellent missions in this game, some good characters, and sometimes you get both at the same time, but it is weaker than Hotline Miami. Not a bargain bin game, but I foresee myself replaying HM1 a lot more than this one.
Finally, maybe I didn't get something, but the ending was a complete non-sequitur. Can someone explain where that came from?
Ivan
Arcane
It took me a replay to get the ending.
Talking about the Son, right? He's tripping balls and killing The Fans. Bear>Tiger>to headed Ducks
I get it until that part. I'm talking about
the nuclear war stuff. The crazy general who engineered the coup and pushed the button is probably the same person we have seen in the Hawaii missions, but that whole plotline seems to be dangling. It just happens.
After the game introduced me to the writer character, I played as him and discovered that he wouldn't fire his guns. It took me a while to recognize that he was actually unloading the guns instead of fucking using them, which left him vulnerable to... everything with no prior warning. It was at that point that I realized the extensive dialogue is both dull and pointless, so I started skipping everything.
So it ends with a nuclear war and everyone dies, I guess? Doesn't seem so bad compared to the rest of the game.
So it ends with a nuclear war and everyone dies, I guess? Doesn't seem so bad compared to the rest of the game.
Phage
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Ok, so this thread got completely infested with people who can't into vidya.
If you want to discuss hard mode, strats, muzack and cuhrayzee combos, then I recommend moving to this thread made courtsey of agentorange : http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ople-who-are-actually-good-at-the-game.97710/
If you want to discuss hard mode, strats, muzack and cuhrayzee combos, then I recommend moving to this thread made courtsey of agentorange : http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ople-who-are-actually-good-at-the-game.97710/
Here's a playlist of my best scores: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqNPutTzUWGi1DPMhej2C3ZwgtXiqVeE0
Currently uploading Seizure with a nifty 34x combo.
Currently uploading Seizure with a nifty 34x combo.
Now I agree with this but the example you provided was not a good one. He tried to revive the guard by the door after killing him and tries to tell the others to call an ambulance. He can't pick up knives either and there is no blood when you knock people down. I think it was fairly obvious that he didn't want to be lethal.
ColCol
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No, he is a murder, but I don't think he is the mutilator.I think his breakdown comes from the fact that he knows he is deranged and is in danger of getting caught
Phage
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He is the murderer, hence the whole 'returning to the scene of the crime' thing. I think the breakdown came from the fact that the murderer he invented was getting more attention than his blatant killing sprees.
Phage
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Good shit men. Careful though, you might trigger some of the people in this thread by empirically proving you can play through the game in a fast and stylish manner.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
What triggers me is that No Russian-like skip button at the start. Why is this a thing
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