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Horizon Zero Dawn, open world PS4 action-RPG from Killzone devs and FO:NV lead writer John Gonzales

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Infinitron, May 10, 2014.

  1. Make America Great Again toro Arcane

    Apr 14, 2009
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    Now you are just fucking with me.

    I agree on Ted Faro, the character has no internal coherence. Also he should have never been allowed near the Zero Dawn project.

    HADES function was not to override Gaia. Read the wiki. Hades function was to revert the world to a blank state under Gaia's supervision. The game fails to specify this but it's obvious because the game states that HADES was a subordinate function of GAIA serving as the "extinction failsafe protocol" for Project Zero Dawn. Only when the mysterious signal occurred was Hades able to override Gaia because somehow he became a self-aware AI like Gaia and he started writing viruses. The hackers did not simply hacked the system they made all subsystems self-aware. That's like rewriting an OS on the fly. I find it hard to believe but then Russian haxxors are pretty good. Seriously. Read everything again.

    Anyway, for me, the quality of the main villain is more important than many other things. Even more important considering that he will probably make a return in the sequel. But it doesn't matter, my point was that there is no rationale for his existence.

    TL;DR: You accept some dumb things including Hades and I accept other dumb things excluding Hades.

    There is no argument which can convince me that Hades existence was not retarded. Therefore we can agree to disagree.
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  2. Darth Slaughter Arcane Patron

    Darth Slaughter
    Apr 19, 2008
    Divinity: Original Sin
    Finish the game today, I generally liked it as a hiking console adventure with RPG elements. The above issue is in-game explained that those robots that co-exists in the world with the tribes of nora, banuk, carja were made to not harm humans at all. Only after Hades started to influence the machines they became more agressive.

    About the Hades issue, I cringed when they made a system that would sterilize the world every time the terraforming process went wrong. I agree that it could be a necessity, but I'd rather have they made gaia overlook everything real-time and course correct everything on the fly. And if things got wrong, Gaia herself could take care of the task of wiping everything and repeating the process, being so self aware of everything almost human like. Also, it was also for nothing since looks like gaia got it right on the first time.

    Terraforming is a very complex process, but it's the same earth with all the necessary conditions to support life (distance from sun, size, etc). Also, Its believable that humans knows how earths biosphere formed and they would even know more about the process in the future, which would make a template to terraform the earth a very promissing endeavor. Gaia would detect any abnormalities and counter act them in time to steer things in the right direction. It's obvious it would be easy/predictable to course correct it. The only thing that could compromise is if some kind of pathogen infect the species early on altering the dynamic of the species of flora/fauna introduced, affecting evolution, but evolution wouldn't really take place at all since the species were all genetically stored and would be cloned and reintroduced as final species..

    It would make a lot more sense the villain be related to the apollo part, since Ted Faro purges it, this would bring it self aware, and it would make much more sense since Apollo would have all the knowledge of humanity and that could be a motivation to kill them all. also, it would make Ted a double stupid decisions guy. And it would be also more impactful in a relationship between Sylens and Apollo, since Sylens was avid for knowledge.

    In any case, I agree that the swarm devour biomass and proliferate at geometrical rate is a little too much, and gaia being an antropomorphic AI, these are very much stupid things.

    But the game is good, fun, even though quest are simple and badly written, the game is beautiful, the robot creatures are variable and offer a challenge, and combat gameplay is actually fun. It's obvious that this game followed the successful witcher 3 structure, but witcher 3 is more RPG due to the fact you have choices in the main story, and also in character creation/skill setting. You can max out your character in Horizon zero down. It's in between The witcher 3 and Assassin's creed origins, which is more actiony and you can't miss anything.
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  3. Ash Arcane

    Oct 16, 2015
    reading this thread:


    ...Yet most still saying they enjoyed it. Damn storyfaggots and mole-whackers. Often are both one and the same, mind you.

    Does the game have undemanding gameplay even remotely comparable to whack-a-mole, or are you unfairly assigning it that label just because it's a AAA action game? Does it have tons of handholding? dead simple level design? Little combat challenge? A lack of resource management demand? An overly-generous economy (skillpoints, money etc)? A somewhat automated process during climbing segments or somewhat automated interactions in general? Problems presented and detailed by other NPCs, and often solved by said NPCs too (or with much of their help)? Regenerating health? Frequent QTEs? A sense of tedious repetition? A lack of consequences for failure or bad play? Overpowered player mechanics?
    ...eh that'll do for now. If yes to even two or three of these, you're probably playing braindead popamole. And if so, what the fuck are you doing? You know there are plenty games with both decent gameplay and story right? Do you realise with popamole the gameplay is just wasting your time with menial repetitive tasks and is often in conflict with the story all the same? Enough of your decline-enabing.
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  4. Anthony Davis Obsidian Entertainment Developer

    Anthony Davis
    Sep 7, 2007
    I just confirmed with Sawyer, Avellone wrote all of Dead Money.
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  5. Trashos Erudite

    Dec 28, 2015
    As if I didn't have enough reasons to love the dude. Thanks!
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  6. DeepOcean Arcane

    Nov 8, 2012
    Why are you surprised? Witcher 3 was GOTY here and probably this game combat is less popamole than that.
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