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HITMAN, the new episodic Hitman - GOTY Edition
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Ivan
Arcane
looks like a return to form 
I bet (and hope) the minimap will be an on/off toggle, or maybe the dots indicating AI. It actually reminded me of assassin's creed maps with red zones indicating restrict areas. The level looks huge and impressive, and i'm cautiosly optimistic.
I'm re-playing blood money right now on pro, if it manages to be like that...
And damn. I promised myself I'll never pre order a game again and ended up buying it.
I'm re-playing blood money right now on pro, if it manages to be like that...
And damn. I promised myself I'll never pre order a game again and ended up buying it.
Ivan
Arcane
-there will definitely be a dedicated map key, worry not
-glad they're reusing all the assets/animations from Absolution and focusing on level design (Glacier 2.0 is beautiful enough anyway)
-I like the idea of "enforcers," i.e. particular npcs that can see through your disguise (a chef>cooks, head of security>security guards, etc)
This is shaping up to be the best Hitman yet. Will pre-order upon imminent release
-glad they're reusing all the assets/animations from Absolution and focusing on level design (Glacier 2.0 is beautiful enough anyway)
-I like the idea of "enforcers," i.e. particular npcs that can see through your disguise (a chef>cooks, head of security>security guards, etc)
This is shaping up to be the best Hitman yet. Will pre-order upon imminent release
I thought "enforcer" was a weird term for it, but I like the idea that specific disguises can be coded to be "breakable" by certain people or groups. I don't really see why "disguise see through" should only apply to a certain brand of NPC though. Why not just give every NPC flags for "can see through bellboy disguise ☑ can see through French maid disguise ☐"?
Excidium II
Self-Ejected
Too many repeat npcs too.
Cadmus
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oh wow, such optimism
Dev_Anj
Learned
So are you saying the disguise system is like Absolution? Or the mechanic where a guard searches you for weapons is like Absolution? Just the cover system and animations which are most likely placeholders don't make a whole game.
SCO
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That is probably the implementation, only they'll keep on the lowdown for playability.
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You morons. The thread title quite obviously would have to be: Hitman, the new hitman from the developers of hitman aka hitman thread for hitman fans.
Azrael the cat
Arcane
I wish I wasn't this skeptical - Hitman, like Deus Ex, is exactly the kind of game that should be made all the fricken time but hardly ever is anymore. At a tech level, any FPS maker should be able to do it. More importantly, the base gameplay (thinking Blood Money, here) is significantly simpler than that which mainstream gamers are used to when playing Bethesda games. Any player who is comfortable with FO3 or Mass Effect should be able to handle the mechanics of Deus Ex, and would find those of Blood Money an absolute breeze.
Of course, handling the mechanics are one thing, and difficulty level/complexity of the challenge offered by those mechanics is another. But there aren't really any examples of games that have flopped by virtue of that challenge/complexity, where the base mechanics are manageable for most players - and plenty that indicate the opposite, that mainstream gamers will enjoy a challenge, so long as they don't get lulled into button-mashing and suddenly hit a wall where the game instantly expects them to play intelligently (i.e. counter to what they've been doing thus far), and if they don't have to 'work' to learn to control the character.
Yet it seems like developers and publishers keep losing their nerve - they want to make an interesting game, but then in the final stages of development they panic, thow out any mechanics that reek of originality and polish out the challenge. There's been a few interesting articles on paid beta-testers that are illuminating - that people who are playing a game for their 9-5 job and haven't paid for it (surprisingly, this is the factor that gets emphasised in most of the articles) are far more likely to do stupid shit or to rage-quit (mentally rage-quit, even if they don't actually stop playing due to it being their job, they just give up trying to beat the puzzle and file a bug report).
Part of that may simply be because professional beta-testers are an absolute bottom-of-the-run position, the computing equivalent of a janitor, though many may be using that job while studying for something higher up the chain, or simply filling the role as one part of their programming/bug-fixing duties. I.e. maybe they have a tendency towards the stupid, and cause developers to underestimate the market. Or perhaps it's as the articles suggest, and people who don't pay for something, and haven't really 'chosen' to play that particular game, are in a different 'mental zone' to players, and hence end up as fodder for the stories infamously idiotic playtesters spending 45 minutes running in circles around the starting room because nobody told them to click on the door to open it.
Either way, it's one positive of the Early Access system - actual gamers as the test market - which, in almost every other way, is bizarre scam material. It seems that in the past few years, a few developers have cautiously taken steps back towards these AAA-but-interesting games - still baulking at the last minute, but not retreating quite so utterly (e.g. DE:HR). At least the Hitman advert above looks like it was deliberately crafted to imitate the sort of graphics that gamers use to demonstrate how badly gaming has declined - if they're aware of the problem, they might take at least a half-stumble towards fixing it.
Of course, handling the mechanics are one thing, and difficulty level/complexity of the challenge offered by those mechanics is another. But there aren't really any examples of games that have flopped by virtue of that challenge/complexity, where the base mechanics are manageable for most players - and plenty that indicate the opposite, that mainstream gamers will enjoy a challenge, so long as they don't get lulled into button-mashing and suddenly hit a wall where the game instantly expects them to play intelligently (i.e. counter to what they've been doing thus far), and if they don't have to 'work' to learn to control the character.
Yet it seems like developers and publishers keep losing their nerve - they want to make an interesting game, but then in the final stages of development they panic, thow out any mechanics that reek of originality and polish out the challenge. There's been a few interesting articles on paid beta-testers that are illuminating - that people who are playing a game for their 9-5 job and haven't paid for it (surprisingly, this is the factor that gets emphasised in most of the articles) are far more likely to do stupid shit or to rage-quit (mentally rage-quit, even if they don't actually stop playing due to it being their job, they just give up trying to beat the puzzle and file a bug report).
Part of that may simply be because professional beta-testers are an absolute bottom-of-the-run position, the computing equivalent of a janitor, though many may be using that job while studying for something higher up the chain, or simply filling the role as one part of their programming/bug-fixing duties. I.e. maybe they have a tendency towards the stupid, and cause developers to underestimate the market. Or perhaps it's as the articles suggest, and people who don't pay for something, and haven't really 'chosen' to play that particular game, are in a different 'mental zone' to players, and hence end up as fodder for the stories infamously idiotic playtesters spending 45 minutes running in circles around the starting room because nobody told them to click on the door to open it.
Either way, it's one positive of the Early Access system - actual gamers as the test market - which, in almost every other way, is bizarre scam material. It seems that in the past few years, a few developers have cautiously taken steps back towards these AAA-but-interesting games - still baulking at the last minute, but not retreating quite so utterly (e.g. DE:HR). At least the Hitman advert above looks like it was deliberately crafted to imitate the sort of graphics that gamers use to demonstrate how badly gaming has declined - if they're aware of the problem, they might take at least a half-stumble towards fixing it.
Metro
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Aside from the cramped/segmented levels I didn't think Absolution was the Pile of Shit/10 the Codex judged it. At least they've learned from that and directly addressed the issue head on by expanding the level design. Plus it's Squeenix so it'll be 75% off before you can sneeze.
Edward The Mediocre
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So how big is Streets of Hope compared to the average hitman map? I mean hitman maps can be big, I want to say that the new orleans map was the biggest or least had the most NPCs in it.
Price is not the issue, it's about not rewarding publishers to make shitty games. Look at the weeaboo DMC fans, they didn't buy the DmC reboot even when the prices were slashed, or when the DmC reboot: special edition version was released. They just bought the better game instead, DMC4 special edition. And now capcom is cockteasing making DMC 5.
Price is not the issue, it's about not rewarding publishers to make shitty games. Look at the weeaboo DMC fans, they didn't buy the DmC reboot even when the prices were slashed, or when the DmC reboot: special edition version was released. They just bought the better game instead, DMC4 special edition. And now capcom is cockteasing making DMC 5.
Well, I was going to post about how bigger isn't really better - since how much wandering around do you really need to do to kill one guy? - but then I thought about Absolution and really those maps were not very expansive; most didn't have a real sense of freedom of approach. So instead I will say that I support this decision.
Ivan
Arcane
The only thing I remember about Absolution is madly running behind sofas and chairs to hide, all the while differently dressed npcs were looking at me thinking "okay"
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whoa. that actually looks... really cool. im shocked
Keshik
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Ivan
Arcane
still unsure whether 6 maps = 6 levels, i.e., how many "levels" per "maps" or countries
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