Heroes of the Storm

[flushfire]

Indeed, the only time a support can last hit is when he is alone on the lane/jungle or that the carry has absolutely no chance to get the last hit

VS

the only reason you would do that is indeed finishing a crucial item like mek

What is it really?

nothing in there says you have to take last hits from your carry

Nothing except the part where "during the laning phase" "you are allowed to take the farm" in cases such as when "you need 2 last hits to finish Arcane Boots"?

W/e. This is clearly a waste of time and what I was trying to say is already lost anyway.

 

[Luckra]

When I play support I would not do it except in extreme cases when there is no alternatives (no jungle camps, no other lanes, no bounty runes, ...). The support/carry relationship in DotA really is like a babysitter, you make sure he has everything everytime, if you're thirsty you go pour yourself a drink and you don't drink in the baby's bottle :D .
Bottom line is if in the games you play you take last hits from the carry without asking and no one says anything then it's okay.

I may try to play a few games of HotS again to try the latest additions of the beta. Not sure much has changed.

 

[SerratedBiz]

Playing support absolutely sucks donkey dick in LoL, Hon and Dota, while in HEROES, it's actually fun, rewarding and you make differences..

Instead of just: PULL CREEEPS:: DONT TAKE MY FARM.. HEALL OMGG.. u have no itamzz.. bad support! and little kids screaming in your ear, because they didnt get ultra farm, and blame the support.. sigh.

You must suck more than I do if you think a babysitting support has to give the carry every single creep..

Both you dumbfucks can go fuck yourselves. I main only supports in Dota and it's very much fun, challenging and rewarding.

If you don't understand what you're supposed to do, it's your fault. If your carry doesn't understand his role or yours, that's his fault. Just because differences and conflict can arise when one of you is a dumbfuck doesn't mean that you need to dumb down the game for everyone else who does. We enjoy the possibility of failure that comes from the higher skill ceiling.

But you know what? In the end, you're right. Your kind deserves HOTS. So go play that instead and stop cluttering my matchmaking with your aversion to CONFLIKT.

 

[abija]

Nothing except the part where "during the laning phase" "you are allowed to take the farm" in cases such as when "you need 2 last hits to finish Arcane Boots"?

I'm not sure you realize how late those arcane boots should come unless the enemy team feeds you. Most likely scenario is your carry gets out of babysitting stage before you have brown boots.
And first step is getting the rules in your head not the exceptions.

 

[flushfire]

I'm not sure you realize arcane boots is just one example of a core item.

And first step is getting the rules in your head not the exceptions.

What makes you think I don't? The problem I have with you and that green tryhard is that you basically say there are no exceptions when clearly there are. FFS even asking for a couple last hits to deward the pull is unreasonable to people like you. Like I said, clearly a waste of time.

Dota 2 can stay as it is, I don't really care. All I'm saying is that I believe when other games try certain changes to the 'established' formula there is some merit and is not just dumbing down.

 

[Daedalos]

Playing support absolutely sucks donkey dick in LoL, Hon and Dota, while in HEROES, it's actually fun, rewarding and you make differences..

Instead of just: PULL CREEEPS:: DONT TAKE MY FARM.. HEALL OMGG.. u have no itamzz.. bad support! and little kids screaming in your ear, because they didnt get ultra farm, and blame the support.. sigh.

You must suck more than I do if you think a babysitting support has to give the carry every single creep..

Both you dumbfucks can go fuck yourselves. I main only supports in Dota and it's very much fun, challenging and rewarding.

If you don't understand what you're supposed to do, it's your fault. If your carry doesn't understand his role or yours, that's his fault. Just because differences and conflict can arise when one of you is a dumbfuck doesn't mean that you need to dumb down the game for everyone else who does. We enjoy the possibility of failure that comes from the higher skill ceiling.

But you know what? In the end, you're right. Your kind deserves HOTS. So go play that instead and stop cluttering my matchmaking with your aversion to CONFLIKT.

Listen up, shit for brains. If one system gives rise to repeated "conflicts" and "toxic" gameplay, it means the system is retarded. I know perfectly well, how to play a support or any other class for that matter, in any moba, but that doesn't change the fact, that the experience doing so, is still extremely shitty. There are roles and teamwork in HOTS too, between supports and other classes like assassins, specialists and warriors, but it doesn't give rise to an inherent toxic and boring system like that of dota.

The removal of gold, last-hitting and items, are EXACTLY what makes HOTS so much better than dota, and why playing supports in HEROES feels great and fun. There's plenty of high skill ceilings to be had between roles in HEROES, so it doesn't need shitty boring mechanics like gold, items and last-hitting and individual xp.

But like I said, what are you doing in a HEROES OF THE STORM thread, if you hate the game? Get the fuck out. And go whine about us in your precious DOTA 2 THREAD. I won't "clutter" up your dota 2, because I stopped playing that shit game, for reasons explained previously. So no problemo, broseph.

You play your game, I play mine. Everybody is happy.

 

[SerratedBiz]

Listen up, shit for brains. If one system gives rise to repeated "conflicts" and "toxic" gameplay, it means the system is retarded.

No, you're just shit. And a shill. Fuck off back to the Blizz boards.

 

[Daedalos]

Listen up, shit for brains. If one system gives rise to repeated "conflicts" and "toxic" gameplay, it means the system is retarded.

No, you're just shit. And a shill. Fuck off back to the Blizz boards.

Butthurt retard, is butthurt.

 

[abija]

Dota 2 can stay as it is, I don't really care. All I'm saying is that I believe when other games try certain changes to the 'established' formula there is some merit and is not just dumbing down.

Changes are fine, but what they did was remove player options because they are frustrating for dumb people, which is basically dumbing down the game. Sure the dumbed down version can turn up to be more fun for everyone, that doesn't make it less dumbed down.

The question would be why someone who dislikes dota aspects and prefers a game with those aspects removed, feels the need to demonstrate it isn't dumbed down?

 

[Metro]

Listen up, shit for brains. If one system gives rise to repeated "conflicts" and "toxic" gameplay, it means the system is retarded. I know perfectly well, how to play a support or any other class for that matter, in any moba, but that doesn't change the fact, that the experience doing so, is still extremely shitty. There are roles and teamwork in HOTS too, between supports and other classes like assassins, specialists and warriors, but it doesn't give rise to an inherent toxic and boring system like that of dota.

Suggesting HoTS doesn't have a toxic community already? Do you even play it?

 

[Daedalos]

Dota 2 can stay as it is, I don't really care. All I'm saying is that I believe when other games try certain changes to the 'established' formula there is some merit and is not just dumbing down.

Changes are fine, but what they did was remove player options because they are frustrating for dumb people, which is basically dumbing down the game. Sure the dumbed down version can turn up to be more fun for everyone, that doesn't make it less dumbed down.

The question would be why someone who dislikes dota aspects and prefers a game with those aspects removed, feels the need to demonstrate it isn't dumbed down?

The game isn't dumbed down, because boring pointless mechanics isn't going to make the dota 2 seem more "complex" or "intelligent" or even let alone interesting. You think any game that lacks these featured are "worse", when in reality, they are different games with different mechanics. Heroes of the storm is more interesting with different mechanics, than the others. If you look for "complexity" and depth the same places in a different game, you aren't gonna find what you want.

 

[Daedalos]

Listen up, shit for brains. If one system gives rise to repeated "conflicts" and "toxic" gameplay, it means the system is retarded. I know perfectly well, how to play a support or any other class for that matter, in any moba, but that doesn't change the fact, that the experience doing so, is still extremely shitty. There are roles and teamwork in HOTS too, between supports and other classes like assassins, specialists and warriors, but it doesn't give rise to an inherent toxic and boring system like that of dota.

Suggesting HoTS doesn't have a toxic community already? Do you even play it?

Toxicity is far far far far worse in Dota than Heroes or LoL

 

[Metro]

That's because those games have been out for three (DOTA2) and... wow... I dunno... six or seven or more years for LoL. Meanwhile HoTS is still in closed beta with a relatively small community.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Cyberarmy]

They seem pretty micro heavy and also have good trolling potantial like Murky.

 

[Metro]

They certainly take more micro than the other heroes but not a ton compared to Meepo or other intensive DOTA2 characters. Their skills are also fairly limited, too, so for the most part you're just right clicking. They also released a lot of balance changes in that patch... most of which were terrible. Wouldn't surprise me to see the guys at the top fired/transferred. Their output is slow and decisions borderline irrational.

 

[felipepepe]

The 2 other vikings are okay, but the red one looks so much better in the sprite version.

Also, hope they add their Lost Vikings 2 versions as skins.

 

[Metro]

 

[Gay-Lussac]

The last few pages of this thread are hilarious. "Ermaged I iz the geniuz for playing dotaz go bak to your dumb game you idiot. I smart, you dumb. Dumb. Dumb." Then another Dota player shows up and is like, "hey bb, I agree, take my cock" and then another and another and the circlejerk is complete. I guess if I had spent 5000+ hours playing Mobas I'd feel the need to be validated through them as well. Not that the guys defending HotS are any better, by the way, spewing out just as much vitriol, but at least they don't act as if their self worth is entirely dependant on being good at a video game supposedly designed exclusively for Mensa members.

 

[Great Deceiver]

So I played this again after playing the Alpha early last year to see if anything's changed - nothing of substance, really.

I'm not opposed to the game in principle, but all the little f2p aspects really get on my nerves something fierce - having to grind heroes to unlock abilities, not to mention having to grind gold to actually get heroes themselves - is fucking unbearable.

The maps themselves are alright, but the "collect x" mcguffin is overused. Heroes hit like wet noodles and move too slowly for my tastes.

A pet peeve of mine is the existence of mirror matches - i.e. you can have the same hero on both sides. This reduces the strategic depth of the game a great deal.

The argument that casual players would play this because they don't want to memorize what items do in other Dota-likes is really bullshit, you still have to memorize a considerable amount of information about talents and what each hero does, since there are significant variations. So the game is pretty mechanically poor but there's still a lot of information, therefore it sits in a weird limbo where it's not interesting enough to keep someone who's used to something more mechanically complex interested, and yet at the same time it's probably still intimidating to new players. The fact that the different maps have different objectives is novel for awhile, but pretty soon you realize it's variations on the same theme, run around some area at a predetermined time to accomplish a specific task and gain an advantage.

Also, on my second game on a new account there were people flaming in Spanish and calling "GG" about 2 minutes in. It felt like a regular low priority Dota 2 match. Of course, we eventually won after 25 minutes or so. So the "community" aspect is pretty busted too. Every team game is going to suffer from this and there's no real way around it. I just think it's funny people single out any particular game in this genre as being the worst, they're all fucking terrible in that regard.

Anyway, it's a modern Blizzard game. I'm sure they'll polish it until it shines brightly, but I don't think they'll be able to get rid of that funky smell. I'll try playing it with my RL Dota buddies just cuz we grew up with Blizz characters and stuff, but I really don't think the game has any legs to stand on.

 

[abija]

The last few pages of this thread are hilarious. "Ermaged I iz the geniuz for playing dotaz go bak to your dumb game you idiot. I smart, you dumb. Dumb. Dumb." Then another Dota player shows up and is like, "hey bb, I agree, take my cock" and then another and another and the circlejerk is complete. I guess if I had spent 5000+ hours playing Mobas I'd feel the need to be validated through them as well. Not that the guys defending HotS are any better, by the way, spewing out just as much vitriol, but at least they don't act as if their self worth is entirely dependant on being good at a video game supposedly designed exclusively for Mensa members.

So if someone says checkers has same depth as chess and you correct him it means you are trying to validate through chess and your self worth is entirely dependant on being good at chess?

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Only if you do so while also saying that checkers is a dumbed down version of chess for (dumbed down) kiddies and that anyone else must only be playing it because your tiny brain can't even begin to comprehend chess, and not because they genuinely feel checkers is more entertaining.

Oh and there's also the fact that you apparently have to have won The International at least twice to be able to have a valid opinion on the matter. Otherwise you're obviously a shitter who just doesn't get it.

 

[sser]

Gave the game a whirl -- that is, dinked around in the tutorial. Seemed alright, I guess. I think MOBAs just don't have any draw for me anymore. Those 'skins' are really great, though. Too bad heroes are outrageously expensive along with everything else in the game.

 

[Cyberarmy]

The 2 other vikings are okay, but the red one looks so much better in the sprite version.

Also, hope they add their Lost Vikings 2 versions as skins.

They got it as a master skin, all with them cybernatics and neon lights.

 

[Metro]

Did anyone want a beta key?*

*Note if you're some nobody/fag I might not give it to you, anyway.