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Baldur's Gate Has anybody ever tried Melirinda's Icewind Dale II mod?

Wyrmlord

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You know, the one which inserts interactible NPC party members into the game, in the style of other Infinity Engine games.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/iwd2npc/

The mod is rated M, for coarse language and adult situations.

Holy shit. I can't wait to engage in coarse language and adult situations with in-game NPCs.

Apparently, this is one of the men you can shag if you play a woman lead character.

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That looks like it is straight out of the cover of an epic romantic novel. He looks like Colin Farrel from Alexander.

Also, the female monk character...happens to be a dot-headed Indian. In a Forgotten Realms setting. :?

After having seen Varne Aarnes screens of the Bishop Romance mod, I am dying to see what this is like. I don't have a copy of IDII with me, so I wonder if any of the people who do have tried it.
 

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Merilinda should be a reference in a Wiki page about the sucktitude of women in art.

She seems fairly intelligent(though misguided) and is given tools to materialize whatever gaming vision she has, yet she couldn't pull off a decent mod if her life depended on it.
 

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Dark Individual said:
Merilinda should be a reference in a Wiki page about the sucktitude of women in art.
Nonsense. Of course there are talented women in creative fields out there.

I am sure I can think of some.

Um, er, Katia Lund, who directed City Of God. Or Lina Vertmuller who made Seven Beauties?

Dammit, why do you have to be right?
 
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Wyrmlord said:
Dark Individual said:
Merilinda should be a reference in a Wiki page about the sucktitude of women in art.
Nonsense. Of course there are talented women in creative fields out there.

I am sure I can think of some.

Um, er, Katia Lund, who directed City Of God. Or Lina Vertmuller who made Seven Beauties?

Dammit, why do you have to be right?

STEPHANIE MEYER
 

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That guy looks terrible.

What about suckitude of men in art, btw? Terry Goodkind, that Da Vinci Code guy, Jim Theis (author of The Eye of Argon), RA Salvatore, Robert Jordan, David Gaider, Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard, George Lucas. Actually, since most gaming studios are comprised mostly of men, and a great many games suck dick... well.
 
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While i do not aprove of her work and general attitude it must be said that upon finding elements she dislikes, or the lack of elements she likes, that girl goes and does something about it. Meanwhile the Codex bitchs, cries, and whines about everything and all while doing nothing about... Well, nothing. Where are all those NWN2's modules full of mind blowing dialogue, deep roleplaying, and meaningfull C&C made by the Codex masses? Where are all those little games made with the miriad of either free or cheap engines and GDKs out there?

At least she DOES something, and that deserves a measure of respect no matter how much i dislike, or more precisely "despise", what she does. And if she, a lonely girl in more ways than one, can then the Codex, a not really small bunch of RPG geeks with diverse backgrounds and skills, can... But it prefers to have wet dreams about that perfect RPG they will never play. :roll:
 

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Hümmelgümpf said:
Lesifoere said:
Actually, since most gaming studios are comprised mostly of men, and a great many games suck dick... well
There's your answer.

Only if Molyneux and Howard get a sex change, perhaps. Until then, no.

The Rambling Sage: go look up Ebert's Law.
 

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Anyone who creates something should have some clue about what they are doing else it's completely meaningless. There are too many people creating crap already, maybe because post-modernists value the act of creation more than the result.

As far as I know, criticism (good or bad, whatever it means for the Codex) does not mean you have to fix the errors others made or do better, though nothing prevents you of doing so.
 

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Exactly. It's like whining that you shouldn't complain about Bush's policies unless you're willing to run for presidency yourself: that's retarded non-logic.
 

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The Rambling Sage said:
While i do not aprove of her work and general attitude it must be said that upon finding elements she dislikes, or the lack of elements she likes, that girl goes and does something about it. Meanwhile the Codex bitchs, cries, and whines about everything and all while doing nothing about... Well, nothing. Where are all those NWN2's modules full of mind blowing dialogue, deep roleplaying, and meaningfull C&C made by the Codex masses? Where are all those little games made with the miriad of either free or cheap engines and GDKs out there?

At least she DOES something, and that deserves a measure of respect no matter how much i dislike, or more precisely "despise", what she does. And if she, a lonely girl in more ways than one, can then the Codex, a not really small bunch of RPG geeks with diverse backgrounds and skills, can... But it prefers to have wet dreams about that perfect RPG they will never play. :roll:


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She's the postmodernism of NWN. I rather her Bishop mod not occupy the first place of the NWVault.

EDIT: There are plenty of Codexers who have done something.
 

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Gragt said:
Malevich was not pomo even if some of his stuff is a bit too experimental.

Whatever. Those art decliners are one big, unidentifiable mess who alienated the common man from everything beautiful and spawned hideous boxes and "statues" all over the cities.

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Abstract art is not a bad thing, it's when you reach excesses like painting a black dot on a white board or run around dripping paint that it becomes a problem, all the while trying to empower them with meanings they do not have.
 
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Lesifoere said:
The Rambling Sage: go look up Ebert's Law.

Not in this case. In fact i said i despise her work myself while i most certainly could not do the least of moding, nor code anything beyond scripts in some Adventure Game engine or another. What i do not despise is her attitude: She doesn't like something and tries to change it into something she likes. The Codex does not likes something and cries and whines because no one is doing what the Codex wants. All the while the Codex, as a group, has a much greater "theorical" potential of doing that kind of thing than the girl does.

A diferent example so you get me: The Adventure genre was in a much worse condition than the cRPG genre will ever be until random guys started poping all over the place with their indie proyects. Most, if not all, of those proyects deserve not other adjective than "Abhorrent" - But the drive beyond those proyects does not only deserve respect but inspired others to try their hand at it, and now while the Genre is dead to the "mainstream" is pretty much alive for everyone else.

So i was criticizing the diference in attitudes, nothing more. And i did because, well... The Codex seems to have something personal against her instead of against her work. So if we are talking about her, yes... She at least does something while The Codex masturbates thinking of a new Torment descending from heaven among a host of singing angels.

Gragt said:
Anyone who creates something should have some clue about what they are doing else it's completely meaningless. There are too many people creating crap already, maybe because post-modernists value the act of creation more than the result.

And who said she didn't have a clue? Or was she all along trying to create a mod to satisfy the Codex's tastes and i missed the memo? She doesn't have a fucking clue about how to create something for us, yes. That doesn't mean she doesn't have a fucking clue about how to create something for her desired target public, since her mods are pretty popular. Now, we can go to discuss creative work and how popularity doesn't mean quality, a concept i do embrace myself - But then the opinion of any one of those individual, brainless, shallow part of the so called "mass" is as valid as yours or mine. So the fact remains: She set to do something according to the tastes of a certain group and did it.

For a more elitist example, since this is the Codex and we are the intellectual, cultural Elite: I love italian and french opera but HATE most german opera with a passion because i find most of it tasteless, boring, and shallow. Does that mean that a composer that sets to do an opera for the lovers of German Opera and triumphs is a talentless hack deserving to be endlessly mocked in every single online community for diehard fans of italian and french opera?

There are two ways in which to face that dilemma: You can say "Yes, he is a talentless hack because i do not like his work" or you can say "Yes, he is a talentless hack because italian opera is better than german opera", and by means of both be elevated as a saint of half-assed, incomplete, only-on-weekends modern subjectivism, if not straight solipsism.

Emmm... what was my point again? Let me see.

Ah, there it is. I DO value the act of creation more than the act of crying like a little bitch, yes. Does that make me a post-modernist? That girl obviously loves what she does, since she isn't taking a penny for it, and other people loves it too. Is that so offensive to the Codex that every now and then a thread must be created to make fun of her? In which way is such attitude diferent to all those weird guys saying old school, number crunching dungeon crawlers are crap because only a geek devoid of any skill would like a game where all depends on character skill intead of his own?

Or maybe i had a too high opinion of the Codex's fauna and in the end they are just like everyone else, faping to how diferent and misunderstood they are, like random emos.
 

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Gragt said:
Abstract art is not a bad thing, it's when you reach excesses like painting a black dot on a white board or run around dripping paint that it becomes a problem, all the while trying to empower them with meanings they do not have.
There's nothing abstract about geometrical shapes. In fact, it's art as concrete as it can get (read: boring).
 

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Wyrmlord said:
You know, the one which inserts interactible NPC party members into the game, in the style of other Infinity Engine games.

iwd2npc_nord.jpg


That looks like it is straight out of the cover of an epic romantic novel. He looks like Colin Farrel from Alexander.

Actually, I'd bet my right kidney that face is from that "300" guy. You know the "SPAAARTA!" one.
 

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Actually, I'd bet my right kidney that face is from that "300" guy. You know the "SPAAARTA!" one.

Oho, you're right. What a PASTEDE ON YAY effect.

Rambling Sage: the thing is, I personally think the result is what counts--you may pour sweat and blood and soul into something, but if in the end it turns out shit, nobody will care. I frequent writing forums, and every now and again when a subliterate Twilight-licking, Harry Potter-fellating monkey who thinks he can write posts and is torn to shreds for it, there'd be some carebear nanny popping out to protest "But at least he's trying! How dare you put someone down, he/she/it has obviously put a lot of effort into this!" I happen to think that effort is absolutely fucking worthless.

If, on the other hand, someone spends five minutes cobbling together something but it happens to be well-written, I'd find it much more valuable than the hypothetical tripe mentioned above. Granted, attempting to make your own game is much more time-consuming than spitting out a piece of weeaboo quasi-fanfic starring Cumulus Discord the giant-sword-wielding mercenary with a heart of gold, but then again, Melirinda isn't making her own engines or creating her own art assets, either.
 

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Wyrmlord said:
Dark Individual said:
Merilinda should be a reference in a Wiki page about the sucktitude of women in art.
Nonsense. Of course there are talented women in creative fields out there.

I am sure I can think of some.

Um, er, Katia Lund, who directed City Of God. Or Lina Vertmuller who made Seven Beauties?

Dammit, why do you have to be right?
Or Sofia Coppola of Lost in Translation fame.

When talking about games there's Jane Jensen (who is supposedly working on another Gabriel Knight).

I haven't played any of Merilinda's mods (and probably won't) and all I know about them I know from forum posts. I'd still like to blatantly use her to make a point. While she's going overboard with portraying social interaction (all this girly stuff and centering on relationships) she's just on the different side of the spectrum - with dialogs in most other RPGs being on the opposite side, far from showing social interaction. Excluding Mitsoda and Avellone, we're mostly left with computer nerds and, when we're lucky, PnP geeks when it comes to designing NPCs and writing diologue - hardly the type that's famous for understading social interaction I'd say. And it shows. Having more women work on RPGs, this might shift more into the middle, as long as they aren't assigned to writing romances.
 

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And it shows. Having more women work on RPGs, this might shift more into the middle, as long as they aren't assigned to writing romances.

Your point is defeated by Bioware's romances which, as far as I know, tend to be written by Dave Gaider who--last I heard--is still in possession of testicles and penis, and who hasn't yet attempted to get silicone injected into his chest. In a word: Anomen. In several words: Anomen Carth Skyden Shadowbreath.
 
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Lesifoere said:
the thing is, I personally think the result is what counts--you may pour sweat and blood and soul into something, but if in the end it turns out shit, nobody will care. I frequent writing forums, and every now and again when a subliterate Twilight-licking, Harry Potter-fellating monkey who thinks he can write posts and is torn to shreds for it, there'd be some carebear nanny popping out to protest "But at least he's trying! How dare you put someone down, he/she/it has obviously put a lot of effort into this!" I happen to think that effort is absolutely fucking worthless.

If, on the other hand, someone spends five minutes cobbling together something but it happens to be well-written, I'd find it much more valuable than the hypothetical tripe mentioned above. Granted, attempting to make your own game is much more time-consuming than spitting out a piece of weeaboo quasi-fanfic starring Cumulus Discord the giant-sword-wielding mercenary with a heart of gold, but then again, Melirinda isn't making her own engines or creating her own art assets, either.

Well, i do think that if someone wrote in five minutes something way better than someone else managed to write through months of despairing effort then the former should have gone through months of despairing effort to do something that really reached the limits of his skill instead of just half-assing something that he can do by means of divine intervention or natural talent instead of merits, regardless of how good the end product of his half-assed effort is. But that's just my personal opinion on the matter.

And even the best budding writers began writing about Cumulus Discord the giant-sword-wielding mercenary with a heart of gold, it is just we were smart and introspective enough NOT to make such works public and hope we get best with practice and effort. :wink:

Now, i DO believe that a work is to be seen as it is, by the work's own merits and faults. I, for a random example, wouldn't wish that Eragon thingie upon my worst enemy, and i do think those who love such books are tasteless and shallow. At the same time i think turning that dislike of a written work into a vendetta against the guy who wrote it is... I don't know. Devoid of any sense or reason, maybe? As a guy, he tried. As a writer, he failed. And as literature his work sucks donkey balls. Those are three individual, separate things instead of one and the same. "Hate the sin but not the sinner" and all that.

Yes, i know. The point: Maybe i am wrong, but this stuff with Merilinda is starting to sound like making fun of her instead of her work. The fact that i know and recognize her name while not recognizing half the Codex's holy developers' names points at how much she, as an individual, has been mentioned. Hell, the Codex has, for a while, been the only gaming forum i check regurlarly and i still need to check which one was Pete and wich one was Todd, but i do not need to check who the fuck is Merilinda.

And while there is no lack of horrid Mods to make fun of even Tessera's abominable work is less discused and made fun of than Merilinda's. I find that trend worrying and worth of cleansing by holy flame, to say the least. Who really cares if she likes writing bad, shallow romance? Couldn't all the time and energy being wasted in pointing at her and making fun of her be used for more constructive things?

Or maybe i am just getting old. :cry:

Monolith said:
When talking about games there's Jane Jensen (who is supposedly working on another Gabriel Knight).

Gray Matter.

Not a Gabriel Knight game, but a game on the same style and, i hope, with the same level of research and sheer coolness that made the Gabriel Knight saga what it was.

One of the Most Awesome Things coming before the next millenium... with a bit of luck.
 

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Lesifoere said:
That guy looks terrible.

What about suckitude of men in art, btw? Terry Goodkind, that Da Vinci Code guy, Jim Theis (author of The Eye of Argon), RA Salvatore, Robert Jordan, David Gaider, Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard, George Lucas. Actually, since most gaming studios are comprised mostly of men, and a great many games suck dick... well.
At least we have Ed Greenwood to carry the torch ;)

Applauding Meril for trying is like applauding Hitler for trying to kill all jews/communists/socialists/dissidents + their reltives and some random people (yeah, I know. Many codexers do applaud him for that.) Now what was that law again...
She is just bad and everything she does should be ignored.
And romances belong in RL and WoW, not in cRPGs. Those are for hookers and sex cards.

Oh, and that guy at the top looks like Chuck Norris with a little photoshop.
 

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