Grim Dawn Kickstarter is coming.

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My HnS hopes are riding on PoE already. But even if they weren't, there's no dearth of games like this being made, so something else decent will likely be around by the time this is finished. And TQ really did suck. The whine post about how their DRM fucked their word of mouth was delicious too. I love how it flew right over his head that if there hadn't been any DRM, the situation could only have been better. You can't get worse results than 'cracked before release, reviewed as buggy shit'. But hey, not their fault. If they hadn't put DRM in it clearly would have been hacked months before that, or something.

There was another longer article (can't find the link, cause I didn't search) where some dev explained how the publishers meddled in TQ's development. Which in turn explaine some of TQ's blandness. Just sayin'.

Yeah that was the one I was expecting to be posted, I'd forgotten about the piracy whine thing. Even so, most of the gripes about the publisher were related to the setting/atmosphere. And they were valid; but TQ had shit gameplay ontop of the shit setting. Even with a great atmosphere and setting, I wouldn't really want to play another HnS game with 10 different pseudo classes that all have cookie cutter skill trees involving 1 summon, 1 single target ranged attack, 1 AoE, 1 defensive passive, etc. with only superficial differences between builds that don't affect playstyle. The one thing Diablo 2 got right was making different builds play differently; running around with an assasin using cloak of shadows as your main defense has a totally different feel from a paladin with frost aura wading balls deep through a converging horde in slow motion, or a necro/druid herding around his own horde. Whether any of the upcoming games can pull off that aspect will be the deciding factor for me.

This sounds nice.

The funny thing: "Open World ARPG!" and I see the video showing one of the classes... corridors. OPEN WORLD TO THE MAX!

Open World = Wider Corridors

Well I for one hope this will not be turn based, can you imagine a hack.n.slack ARPG with turn based combat, it will take forever to get through the first mob.. And about the game, I'll give it a chance but not right now, maybe in the last week or so. Saving cash for MCA.

Eh... No. aRPGs are not for me.

Also, did anyone else notice Tier Reward price increase? $18 for the basic game (not $15) and $32 for the next tier (not $30)? Kickstarter inflation already !

At least in this case you know what you're paying for - they have a working engine, gameplay videos and all. Unlike some other KS projects that want you to donate based on some cool concept and the weight of the designer's name alone.

Yeah but Torchlight and D3 are this game so we need a Kickstarter version as well?

I'm going to support games that aren't made today and that doesn't look like every other aRPG out there, thank you very much.

It is a different guy. The guy who wrote all that bullshit was Michael Fitch, "Director of Creative Management at THQ".

These were the key people at Iron lore Ent., the developers of TQ. I cross-checked with linkedin, which of them actually works at Crate Ent.:
Jeff Goodsill, President - Nope (Tencent)
Brian Sullivan, Creative Director - Nope (?? "Graffiti Ent.", I guess?)
Paul Chieffo, Technology Director - Nope (Tencent)
Ian S. Frazier, Producer - Nope (Big Huge Games)
Arthur Bruno, Lead Designer - Yup, he's the guy in the Kickstarter video.
Steve Marvin, Design Director - Nope (Tencent)

And what is Tencent? Chinese MMOG makers. Of course.

I'm also not a fan of the 'mix two classes skill trees to create hybrid classes' design. To me that just says you fail at making interesting classes/trees to begin with -- as someone mentioned I'd rather have fewer classes that have significantly different play styles.

Banal Shit Boring.... Maybe not the latter 2 like TQ was but market is full of such games so why support Kickstarter for another game you can buy from dozen of AAA producers?

What? Not even close. Neither of those provide what GD describes and promises. Especially D3 has cut pretty much everything but loot.

(Who is "we"? There's plenty of people on the codex who like Diablo/2.) Nope. But people who perhaps aren't satisfied with D3, PoE or TL2 and/or really want another hardcore Diablo-like.

I always find the "hate" (=extremity of expressed dislike) some of you exhibit towards stuff that simply shouldn't "interest" you astounding.

Shannow, it's not hate I was expressing just skepticism. From the description and the video they show it just appears to be very similar to most aRPGs on the market. You say "not even close" so what do you see as the differences? Now please keep in mind I never liked Diablo and am not a twitch player at all.

I remember pirating TQ, playing for like 30 min and deleting that shit. God bless piracy, it saved me a lot of money over the years not wasted on shit like this.

Ye, I know, demos. But they usually try to put the best stuff there, not really representative.

Whether we need this game or not is beside the point. They've clearly put in a lot of work into it already and have something to show for it, which impresses me more than some big name rattling my nostalgia chain.

I'm not discounting the fact that they can show off an alpha build of the game. Kudos for that. In fact, I'm very grateful they did so I can see that it "appears" very similar to many other aRPGs and I can save my money for MCA's Kickstarter!

Didn't they have funding before the whole kickstarter gold rush? Oh wait, yes free moneys I get it.
All my respect for the company is gone. Disgusting fucks.

Also to the numbheads above, kickstarter's purpose is to...kick start ideas and turn them into reality with crowdfunding. This project was funded a long time ago hence why there's something to show. This kickstarter is a obvious attempt at jumping into the kickstarter bandwagon, it's just a easy way to make money off a bunch of idiots. Unlike Wastelands 2 or double fine's adventure game, the project didn't need funding to be made a reality. In fact it was announced a long time ago. I'd rather put my money on ass effect dlc than this shit.

The Kickstarter doesn't appear and their webpage seems to be down, any idea what happened?

Maybe they didn't meet the KS guide-lines? It was a preview before KS validates them.

The gameplay looked booring, "Run in circles and throw bombs at enemies".

these are truly dark times when a diablo 2 clone can't even secure publisher funding

I mean, how much of a sure thing do you want here? do they want it to be in first person view as well or what?

I'm guessing it's more of a 'hrrm, says here the last couple of games you worked on tanked like a motherfuck. nothx"

That's depressing. If you can't count on codexians to hate Diablo what can you count on? Diablo is a piece of shit and this game will be too. I fucking hate action RPGs. They define the decline. The only thing I'd donate to these jokers is a stool sample. The whole point of an action RPG is a money grab and a way to fellate the publishers, but if there's no publisher then you're just making a bad game because you're an asshole.