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Anime Gothic 3: The circle is now complete

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by the_shadow, May 20, 2013.

  1. Lanceheadgender: ⚧ Liturgist

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    But in a sandbox style game, you do want that "filler". One, to give a sense of place and a big world. Two, to give weight to moments such as when you finally find some worthwhile loot.
     
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  2. Aeschylusgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Swindler Patron

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    Not really. G2 makes you realize that all that filler space is really unnecessary bloat. The world is plenty big and all of it is content rich and well designed. It doesn't need to add weight to moments, because all the moments have weight. Though to be fair, I wouldn't really call G1 or G2 sandbox games. You have a lot of freedom, but it's much more narrative-focused than other games in the genre, even if the story is a bit goofy.
     
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  3. Make America Great Again agentorangegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    Agree with Aeschylus. Personally I find games filled with filler to have the opposite effect, because by the time I've found an item of great value or gotten to an interesting location, I'm already burned out by having to wade through hours of banal boring shit. When I got my first named weapon in Gothic 1 like 12 hours in, it was a big deal, whereas in Oblivion by then I'd be rolling in 20 different magical weapons with only minute differences between them all.
     
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  4. Lanceheadgender: ⚧ Liturgist

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    To make it clear, by "filler" I mean content that isn't explicitly tied to quests, active storyline, and has no explicit loot reward. So "filler" could mean a place that has interesting details that can flesh out the game world, the backstory; things such as culture, politics, religion etc. Such content isn't quest driven or objective oriented, but can be worthwhile by itself to explore. And it's important in a sandbox game.

    That last sentence says you agree with me. When everything is awesome, nothing is.
     
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  5. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    The truth hurts?

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  6. Lanceheadgender: ⚧ Liturgist

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    Considering decline (or incline) is relative, you have to specify what they are declining from and in what aspects and specifics, if your comment is to be taken seriously.
     
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  7. Aeschylusgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Swindler Patron

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    Uh, no. o_O

    See, there is quality trolling, and then there are just outright stupid/incorrect statements. Nice job attempting to cover your utter ignorance with the troll facade though.

    Incorrect. When everything is awesome, everything is awesome; claiming unexceptional parts are needed to accentuate the positive is the excuse of a lazy craftsman. Although I do think we're referring to slightly different things when we talk about filler.
     
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  8. werglegender: ⚧ Educated

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    G1/2 are what action RPGs look like when developers put real effort into making the game
     
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  9. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    I'm talking about all the AAA hiking simulators. For me, Gothic games look too much like those. Plus RT combat is something I don't like in CRPG's either.
     
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  10. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Hear hear. So you are saying that the 1st person Gothic games with RT combat do not look like all those shitty 1st person action RPG's that are the very definition of the decline of the previous decade? Gothic may be better than those, but it still is the same 1st person RT combat BS I cannot stand, at least not in RPG's.
     
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  11. Lanceheadgender: ⚧ Liturgist

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    I think we do mean different things by "filler". To make content that isn't related to player character growth (xp, loot etc.) but is interesting to discover and explore, has enough detail, and is logically consistent with the rest of the game world, it requires plenty of craftsmanship.

    And regarding the "giving weight to moments", I mean that in terms of pc growth. Because I assume that even players who enjoy the sort of "filler" I'm talking about, would very much want to make their characters grow more powerful, and they derive satisfaction from that.
     
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  12. Make America Great Again agentorangegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    Well, first of all Gothic is not 1st person.

    Gothic is also quite singular in what it does, I've never felt that anything declined into Gothic, Gothic is just an ARPG that takes full advantage of what 3D environments can do for both exploration and real time combat.

    Does the opposite of your standard hold true? Is every game looks like Fallout automatically a great game? Is every first person dungeon crawler as brilliant as Wizardry? Your argument holds no water. You're shitposting, fuck off.
     
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  13. I'm With Her Metrogender: ⚧ for prison Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Lady Shitposter.
     
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  14. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Oh please. Whether you look at his butt or not, it is still a 1st person 3D game.

    As I said, Gothic may be better than those shitty AAA-titles, but it also uses exactly the same 1st person real-time action approach. And that I cannot stomach.

    Yes, Mr. Oblivion player, your opinion must be the truly :obviously: one around here.
     
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  15. Make America Great Again agentorangegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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  16. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Yes, people with a different opinion must be shitposters by definition. Sorry for not participating in your circle-jerk.
     
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  17. Make America Great Again agentorangegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    It's not just that your opinion is shit, which it is, you express it in a cuntish manner. There's plenty of mechanical details you can criticize about Gothic: the controls, magic and melee being unbalanced, hp bloating and general overpowering of the player character in the endgame. But of course you wouldn't be able to pick any of that out, having never played the game, so you instead just say the game LOOKS SHIT.
     
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  18. Monocausegender: ⚧ Cipher

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    Dear,

    it is not. You're followed by a third party cameraman with an unknown agenda and a taste for voyeurism; he keeps watching your butt and records everything you do. Don't argue well-established naming conventions that have been there before video games started to exist.

    Sincerely,
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    No, it is not. Whole gaming community calls it third person... 3rd person.
     
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  20. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Now look who's talking. Telling people to fuck off and that their opinion is shit and THEN complaining that you don't like the manner I present my argument in?

    Who cares about mechanical details when it is the fundamental 3D RT action approach that I dislike?
     
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    How the fuck do you not know the difference between first person and third person?

    You don't read books, do you?
     
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  22. Mangoosegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    Nobody cares what you subjectively like.
     
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  23. Mangoosegender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    You mean games like Risen, Div2, and FNV? Deus Ex? Morrowind?
     
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  24. Make America Great Again cvvgender: ⚧ Arcane Patron

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    If you think decline means RT combat then you haven't understood anything since Oct 14, 2012.
     
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  25. Make America Great Again Lady Errorgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    This whole forum is about what we subjectively like. Or are there things that you "objectively like"? Jeez, continue your circle-jerk already.
     
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