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Iam actually very excited by the game.
ITs good to see a Russian RPG, and it looks to have Byzantine ARchitecture in there.
PLESE GOD, LET THERE BE BYZANTINES!

Shut the hell up about Byzantine already.

Yeah, maybe I should just shut up and marvel at the long standing impacts of the greatness of Canada.
The Byzantine Empire was in every way as influential as the Muslims and the Romans, perhaps even more so. The spread of Monotheisim, the architectual style that was cloned by the Arabs, the Venitian plunder of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade, and the diaspora of the Educated from Greece and Thrace to northern Italy all leading more than any other factors to the Renessanse.

Byzantine is an adjitive, that has come to mean both something of Byzantine origin or something overly complex of the rough equivelent of melodramatic.
You are reffering to the state of Byzantium, which would either be called the Eastern Roman Empire, Romania or the Greek (Hellanistic) Empire or the Byzantine Empire. Or you could be reffering to pre Constantine IStanbul, in which case it would be Byzantium.
dumbass.

There's a difference, dingleberry: I don't talk about Canada in every freaking post. I'm well aware that the Byzantine empire was very important and had a direct bearing on the modern world, but you don't need to mention it every time you post.

Yeah, well, this is how Ive always worked.
Find time and place in history.
Reaserch time and place in history.
Be obssessed with time and history.
It's a part of my psyche.

At least Craprunner isn't as fucked up as I am.

There's a new book which apparently gives very solid, reliable proof that China explored a good portion of the world before anyone else, and before they began their really long isolationist policy. Australia is included in that list, which will probably mean an eventual re-write of most of our history books . I think the book is 1411: The year China discovered the world, or something like that. Supposed to be really good, and I'll probably get a copy from somewhere.

Not to mention the trade by the Dutch of New Amsterdam (later renamed New York by the Britsh) for Surinam.

Or as me.

Sieg Heil and all that shit...

Well, I think most of us could agree that Lasse is the most fucked up.
Yeah, hes like you two only with babbon asses combined.
Anyway, Saint, could you ask about the presense of Byzantines in the next interview?

Craprunner,
Care to elaborate on your Byzantine fetish?
I'm getting kind of curious.
Have you ever been satisfied in that department?

The Byzantine Empire exsisted for 1,100 years. It's style of Architecture is amazingly apparent in both Western European (The architect of the Bascila in Rome designed it after a trip to Constantinople and Hagia Sophia), and unlike both the Greek and Romans styles is almost completly unique- the method of a square or rectangular area topped by a dome was more or less started by Hagia Sophia. The style of rule (god gives me a right to be king) was cloned in both west and east. The Byzantine Empire was the only empire in history to fully survive (and later prosper) while under attack on every front by Barbarians. The entire Renisansse was more or less a group of Greek Slaves being brought back to Venice after the Foruth Crusade.
Not only that, but they do not exsist any more and are largely considerd subhuman among most amature historians.

That's not exactly what I mean. I know the history of the Byzantine empire. I've even visited Istanbul a couple of times. What I'm fascinated by is your fascination with it. How can I best put this? It seems to me that you would have liked NWN if it had used a Byzantine setting.

The Byzantines were basically the ass-end of the Roman Empire. It was most definitely the post-apocalypse. And then came the post-post apocalypse of the dark ages.

Gibbon's ideas died 60 years ago, dumbass.
Give me some proff that they where not as advanced as the Roman Empire, and I will give you three facts that make them more advanced.
Yeah, if they where so "post apocalyptic" and useless than I suppose it would just be fine and dandy if all Hellanistic ideas where forgotten and the entire world would be forced to go on the Hajj, if you know what I mean?
My fascination?
I was born into a Mormon family, that gave me the ultimate ass end of family cultures. Sense I decided that Jesus did not go thru the Americas preaching war I have looked constantly for a culture that was older and proposed better morals and ideals. I also have an intrest in the Roman-Greek universe and Orthodoxy.

Arguabley it was Manzekirt, but the Comneni dynasty (most noteable under Alexius 1) was able to rebuild most of the empire in the east.
Ironically though, he called for the first crusade......
After the fourth Crusade however Byzantium's situation was always tetering on terminal. Paleologus managed to gain some presteige, and the remaining Comneni flourished in Trabizond (north eastern Anatolia), but the culture of Anatolia had changed, and a revival was unlikely.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846
THis book is generally held as the beggining of the Renissanse.

Whoa there CBR, don't go reading between the lines for content that isn't there. I said nothing about the Byzantines as being not as advanced. They were the extension of the Romans and that is obviously where the civilized went after Rome's fall. It was the last holdout at the time, that's why it was the ass-end. Unfortunately the fruit of their empire were from the final blooms of the Romans.

Not nessicarily.
The Romans barrowed more from the Greeks than the Byzantines barrowed from the Romans, if you look closely.
The Architectual style is somewhere between the Taj Mahal and St. Peter's Bascilla, their style of writing tends to be signifigantly more original than the Romans, with quite alot of puns (yeah, Saint would go insane if he read any of Psellus) and extensively more creative language.
Their govermental style is, while similar in some respects to the Romans is much more organized and militaristic than even the Ceaser dreamed. Also, while thier mostly merc armies may seem silly at first, they did not load up on say, Norman Calvalry as the Carthaginians did the Spanish and the Celts- instead they barrowed equally from everything succesful that they fought. In my view the Byzantine style of combat is somewhere along the lines of about as big a leap between ages as the School of MAnuvers is from the Phalanx.
Their Governmental style is unquiley Theocratical with several elements of a classic Paternal Autocracy and proved to be the foundations of all non English monarchies.

Bah, you don't judge a civilization on its frilly architectural styles or any other styles! There are a few major things that define a civilization; it's institutions and its infrastructure. There are others but I'm keeping it simplistic for the sake of argument. Rome had many institutions which gave it strength and flexibility. The system of government from the Senate on down had evolved to manage a large piece of real estate. The military and commerce were also unique institutions.

The infrastructure network of highways and water ditribution systems were incredible and were the two things that made the empire so great. The highways made for the rapid mobilization of the armies and also allowed for large volumes of commerce. Water distribution allowed for expansion and agriculture on a large scale. Clean water was something the Europeans had a difficult time with for a very long time.

If your talking Infrastructure, I would recormend you study the Thematic system.