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Fallen Gods - upcoming Norse saga-inspired roguelite from Wormwood Studios

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Of course Vince is right, which is why I listen to him! But my posts here aren’t about selling; the Codex already knows and trust me. I’m just trying to be candid about the game because trust is a two way street. My obligation is to exceed the trust placed in me and deliver more than what people hope for.
I bought Master of Orion III about 15 years ago. No matter how much you try, you won't come close to the level of disappointment I felt for that game. You know what I'll do if your game turns out to be crap? I'll shrug and go find something else to play. But I'll still salute you for trying to do something new.
 

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Master of Orion III was really depressing, especially because the early hype made it seem like a great leap forward. There's something weird/sad that it took so long (did it even happen?) for there to be an improvement of MOO2 that I never really engaged with the genre again.
 

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If this is going to be the art style of the game,
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I'm absolutely in love; it's fucking gorgeous. I assume that the details of the game are explained in the thread, but just in case I don't spot anything; is there a timeline for this game, and what kind of gameplay are you guys looking for?
 

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Getting the engine to procedurally generate worlds that look as interesting as that is not easy, but that is the art style and our generated worlds look pretty good (if not as good). I'm actually reasonably confident we will wind up close to that except (1) different mountains (I don't care for those, we have a different version in place) and (2) a lower density of locations, which is better from a gameplay standpoint.

We have six long updates about the game on http://wormwoodstudios.com/ and I've talked about it a fair bit in this thread and in a couple interviews linked off this thread. The closest comparison is the board game Barbarian Prince, but if you're not familiar with that, I'd say it's like FTL but in a Norse-ish setting, only with denser text.

It is hard to judge the timeline because I pay people very poorly on the understanding that they will work on the project in their scraps of time left over from supporting themselves at real jobs, because I myself work on it in the scraps of my time, because the coder is not particularly reliable, and because I am not particularly good manager on a project like this. We've been at it for several years. If everything went smoothly, I would think we could release in 2019, but I can't promise that.
 

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Yeah, the maps are easy on the eyes, layout of the level seems very inviting and the color scheme reminds of my childchood when I masturbated in grandpas cottage. But I digress.
 

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Just finished reading through all the updates + the thread, and this game seems to fill in all the aspects I thought FTL was lacking. Your writing is very pleasurable to read, and I always wanted just a little bit more lore for FTL so that I could really get a better feeling of the setting. The UI also looks great, fits in very well with the entire aesthetic. Almost wish I didn't see this thread until later, because now I'll have to deal with the anticipation. Good luck!
 

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ItsChon Thanks!

Circuit What a call! I hadn't thought of that, but I think you're right. I'm pleased that it has that similarity, since I love the Warlords franchise. Warlords I was one of my favorite games growing up, and Warlords IV was one of the first commercial games I worked on. To b honest, I still think the first is the best, as goofy and unbalanced as it may be.
 

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Getting the engine to procedurally generate worlds that look as interesting as that is not easy
The dev of Unexplored has some videos on Steam explaining the procedural generation algorithms he used. Maybe you could take some inspiration, that game had generated levels that were better designed than hand-made levels in many an RPG.
 

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I'm pretty sure I passed that along to the coder in days of yore -- when we've got the rest of the game done and revisit world gen, though, I'll nudge him on it.
 

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Fallen Gods Update 7: Followers has been posted: http://www.wormwoodstudios.com/2018/08/fallen-gods-update-7-followers.html

(Many thanks to Vault Dweller for his editorial suggestions. "You should write more," Salieri suggested.)
Fallen Gods Update #7: Followers


A troll of a man, with a rumbling roar to match, calls you out before the whole hall. “Wrestle with me, little god!” he growls, clearing a ring with a sweep of his arm. The clatter and chatter stop at once, and all eyes look to you and your scornful foe. “Let me come to grips with the great might of my skyborn lord.” His smirking lips speak just as loudly as his words, and the crowd can see how little he thinks of your kind.


A major part of Fallen Gods is winning men and women to your side in your struggle to clamber back to the Cloudlands. While few mortals are a match for a god, having their help means that you will not need to fight your foes alone, and their skills may mean the difference between overcoming an obstacle and being stymied in your quest.

These “followers,” who together compose the god’s “warband,” are important thematically as well. While Norse sagas often focus on a single heroic figure, that hero is frequently defined by his relationship to his friends, family, and dependents. Thus, at the very outset,Beowulf’s skald tells us a young prince must “give[] freely while his father lives / so that afterwards in age when fighting starts / steadfast companions will stand beside him / and hold the line.” (Heaney Trans.) Interestingly, Beowulf ends with most of the king’s men running away from him, breaking the line, in his battle against the dragon. But even then, it is both thematically and tactically necessary for young Wiglaf to be there at his side to soften up the great dragon for Beowulf’s killing stroke.

There are sagas in which the protagonist is alone, but this is typically an abysmal and unusual situation—for instance, a consequence of being outlawed and cut off from human society, as in Grettir’s Saga or Egil’s Saga. The ordinary structure of these stories, reflecting the structure of the society from which they arose, is that a hero may outstrip other men and women, but he benefits from their wisdom, their rebukes, their shields, and ultimately their companionship. And from a narrative standpoint, they offer a chance for the hero to show his strengths and weaknesses in how he heeds or ignores that wisdom, bows to or refutes those rebukes, stirs or shakes the fighters who hold those shields, and wins or loses the hearts of those companions.

So too in Fallen Gods. Unlike many RPGs that make companions’ own goals, undertakings, personalities, and problems the focus of the narrative, Fallen Gods remains tightly focused on its titular protagonist. But unlike RPGs where companions are absolute non-entities, or where the hero has no companions at all, Fallen Gods uses followers as a means of enriching the god’s character and enhancing the player’s options. They will offer suggestions and reactions during events, and the player will be able to ask them to undertake tasks suited to their special skills. While followers do not have individual personalities, their sharply distinct classes (churls, woodsmen, fighters, priests, berserks, skalds, maidens, and witches) make them stand out from each other narratively, while also offering different strategic benefits at different costs.

Before going into detail about each class, it may be helpful to provide a framework for what kind of costs and benefits followers may present.

First, a follower must be located and persuaded to join the warband. Traveling to a location where the follower can be found (like a shrine or stronghold) can take days, and time is the player’s only irreplaceable resource. Once the player reaches the necessary location, the follower must be recruited. Some followers, like churls, will ask nothing; others, like fighters, will want gold; and yet others, like witches, will demand a much higher price.

Except for those that are “sworn,” a rare minority, followers must be kept happy or they will leave the warband. This requires feeding them every day; hunger eats the bonds of loyalty. Food costs either gold (if bought in town) or time (if gotten by hunting). The more followers you have (the warband can include up to five), the more food you need. Followers will also grow unhappy (and weakened) by status ailments such as being crippled (which halves might), cursed (which harms luck), or sick (which drains HP).

But even a healthy, well-fed follower will grow unhappy if the god errs. Few are fond of a god who flees or fails. And even success can be a matter of taste—the same wise restraint that impresses a priest may disgust a berserk, for instance. The player can gladden (and sometimes strengthen) a follower with the gift of an item, whether a lesser thing like a golden arm-ring or a great treasure such as Firebrand. But a gifted item is gone for good; the god can never get it back. Rest or a skald’s song can sometimes soothe the warband’s spirits, but the day thus lost cannot be regained, either.

Assuming the player can find and keep a warband, however, he gains an important edge inside and outside of combat. In battle, even a powerful god can be overwhelmed when faced with multiple foes. Followers are necessary to even the odds and prevent the god from being flanked or surrounded. And some followers, such as berserks, can do much more than merely soak up blows that would otherwise land upon the god: they can deal out death as well as their leader. Moreover, certain followers can help against certain types of foes (such as woodsmen against wolves) given their knowledge and skill.

Outside of battle, followers’ might and craft can provide the god with both generic benefits (such as the ability of a skald to raise morale, mentioned above) and special options inside of events. While events focus primarily on the god, his skills, and his choices, followers open paths in the choose-your-adventure-style events that otherwise would be unavailable—a maiden might be traded for a wurm’s wisdom; a witch might swindle dead men of their strength; a berserk might hoist a boulder too heavy for the god to lift; a priest might offer an old law to put a bitter feud to rest.

In these ways, assembling a warband is both fun in itself and a critical strategic layer of the game. The player’s job is to plot a path to victory and decide what costs can (and must) be borne to make that path possible. To be sure, luck and experience both have a role to play alongside pure reason, but there is no single combination necessary for victory: Fallen Gods is about exploration, and the dynamics and possibilities unlocked by different followers is one of the things the player is encouraged to explore.

With that framework in mind, and without further ado, here are the eight classes of followers in Fallen Gods.

Churls

To watch two churls bicker and barter over a barrow full of food is worth a laugh, but your man has a low cunning that shows itself fit for such work. In the end, he brings you much more food than you ever would have won for your gold. This is as good a deed as he can hope to do on behalf of a god, and he beams with pride when you nod in thanks.

Modern English reflects the scorn that aristocratic speakers had for those who work the land: “villain,” “churl,” “boor,” and other words that once simply meant farmer or herder are retained now in a purely pejorative sense. Notwithstanding Sir Walter Scott’s clever observation about post-1066 England in which Anglo-Saxon was the language of the field and French the language of the feast, it turns out that most of our words for one who works the land are French (like “farmer” or “peasant” or “villager”). “Yeoman” did not have a fieldworker meaning until late in its life, and is too positive for the role occupied by farmers in our setting. Hence, we are left with “churl” (from ceorl), a word that fits the low esteem the fallen god has for this class of follower.

Because churls are men who live by dint of their hard work in the fields, they are sturdy enough folk. But they lack the gear or training of a fighter, and the narrow horizons of a farmer’s life mean that they are prone to fears and superstitions. To some degree, this benefits the god: churls can be recruited for free because they are so flattered to have a god’s attention. Thus, for a player looking merely for followers to stand in the line and support the god in battle (with unskilled blows from wooden clubs), churls are a cheap and easy option. They can be found in any of the three types of steadings (plains, forest, hills) or in towns.

But beyond filling out the warband, churls don’t do much. They have no special skills, and thus are seldom helpful in opening new paths in events. In battle, they can stand and fight, but many foes will make short work of them. And while they will freely join, they eat just as much as any other follower and thus are not without their cost. A god who leads only churls may find some strength in numbers, but he is unlikely to win his way back home.

Woodsmen

The woodsman hurries on his way, swift but silent as he stalks the deer. The woods hush in his wake, and no wind stirs the leaves on which he left his tracks. When he’s been gone for far too long, you take the same path and find him at its end, wordlessly staring at what he’s done. This is a kill such as all hunters crave, a last great beast bested in its home. And yet, he seems less glad than grim as he cleans the meat for your stock, and he takes no keepsake from its corpse.

Woodsmen are perhaps of even lower class than churls because they live on the outskirts of civilization, clad in skins, hunting and foraging like forest animals. In the world of Fallen Gods, there is deep fear of humans backsliding into a pre-civilized state, one associated with the Firstborn gods overthrown by Orm. Woodsmen are close enough to that line that, despite generally being decent and somewhat gentle beings, they are not wholly welcome outside of their own forest villages.

Nevertheless, they have several skills that make them highly desirable followers. First, their pathfinding ability ensures that a god with a woodsman in his warband will not get lost in even the densest forests. Second, their tracking ability means the god will bring in extra food when he hunts. Third, their archery can weaken enemies during the “skirmish” period before a fight, during which woodsmen, eagle fetches, and properly armed gods can attack, though when it comes to actual battle, they are somewhat weaker than churls. Woodsmen are also often helpful in events that involve finding or navigating a tricky path, hunting or following animals, or attacking a foe from afar.

Unfortunately, woodsmen are not as easy to come by as churls. Outside of occasional events (mostly in woods, anyway), they are found only in forest villages, which are often remote and take time to visit. And they demand gold for their hire. That cost is likely worth it, but as with everything in Fallen Gods, the player will need to make strategic and tactical judgments about the trade offs among resources.

Fighters

With a mighty howl, he hurls himself upon the gate with such a swing as should shudder the stones themselves. But it is the fighter himself who bears the brunt of the blow, burnt to ash before your eyes by the barrow’s wards. As his cinders smolder, you take your leave, having no wish to stake your life on this luckless bet.

Like churls, fighters are bland followers that lack special non-combat abilities and almost never open new paths in events. But unlike churls, they are of great help in battle. As noted, while the god is strong and good with a sword, he can be overwhelmed when outnumbered by foes. Many followers (churls, woodsmen, priests, maidens, and skalds) can stand in the way of enemy blows, but are unlikely to overcome serious threats and can fall relatively quickly. Not so for fighters. They are the classic Norse warriors, steadfast in the shield wall and deadly with their battle-axes.

Contrary to popular culture, not every Norseman was a skilled fighter, and in Fallen Gods, finding these men is not as easy as knocking at the first door. Good warriors tend to seek out the halls of lords who can dole out golden rings and other rewards. In our game, that means that they can be found in towns (ruled by thanes) or strongholds (ruled by jarls). They are also found in hillsteads, reflecting the raiding culture of those hardy folk. Enticing fighters to join means offering gold of your own, though there is no ongoing “upkeep” cost other than food. Certain events can also yield fighters as followers. While not as common as churls (who are, after all, commoners), they are not hard to come by.

Priests

Priests keep the craft of death as fighters the skill of killing, and your man shows himself steadfast in this ugly work. He lays the blackened bodies so that they seem at rest, then sets atop their flesh such leaves and roots as will make the smell less foul. Into each ear he sings a few soft words, and then he bids all four to find the hush that lies beyond the Singers’ reach. As he ends, a third son steps forth from the shrubs where he had hidden. He came home too late to die beside his kin, but hoped their killers might come again. Though he has had no such luck, he says perhaps his song set him on this path to meet a god, and he offers to go wherever this new road leads.

Priests are the opposite of fighters: they can be recruited only in a single location (shrines), but they join for free; they have little battle prowess, but significant use outside of combat; and in contrast to a warrior’s stoic attitude, their mindset is driven by a strict code of laws that they are quick to trot out as necessary.

As a historical matter, we know very little about the role of priests in pre-Christian Norse society because what little we hear of the pagan faith is filtered through the eyes of terrified victims, hostile converts, or confused travelers. Our priests are inspired by what we know of pagan goði, the monks who played such an integral role in bringing literacy and Christianity to the Norse, and the roving lawspeakers who helped settle disputes in Scandinavia. In Fallen Gods, they are those entrusted by Orm to teach men right from wrong (by Ormfolk standards, at any rate). While they freely share knowledge of the law, they are more tightfisted with other lore, such as how to read runes. And, like holy men in many cultures, they practice the healing arts.

For practical purposes, the last point means that priests can help recover HP more quickly than by resting (thus saving time) and can remove the “crippled” status ailment (which halves the strength of one so afflicted and thus reduces a fighter to less than the level of a churl in combat, and a churl to an utter weakling). Their broader range of knowledge shows itself in events, where they can offer up legal solutions to problems that would otherwise come to violence, figure out the meaning of ancient signs, and perform religious offices such as burial services.

Alas, as Henry II complained, a “turbulent priest” can make a leader’s life difficult. One reason a priest will join the god for free is to keep an eye on him. These followers are perpetually chiming in with advice on how the god should (or should not) handle a situation, and are equally eager to chide him if he does not follow this guidance. A priest whose advice is ignored will become increasingly unhappy until he simply leaves the god’s side, requiring the long journey back to a shrine if the god wishes to replace him. Moreover, priests are of little use in a fight (or a hunt), and their presence in the warband displaces other more practically helpful followers. Thus, despite being “free” to hire, they, too, have their costs.

Berserks

The two great men come to grips, both empty handed but each with strength enough to deal death with limbs alone. All about, the others watch, first with shouts and then with breathless awe as sinews swell and sweat gleams across the fighters’ skin. The raiders’ leader has never met a foe he had to fear, and he wrestles well. But your berserk has the bloodlust upon him, and he feels no blows or bites or butts as he wraps the other up in a crushing hug. The sea-reaver’s ribs crack, then his back snaps and he falls limp but still alive, until with a stamp your man stops his moaning. The winner raises his own hands high and roars his pride, while you take the food and gold stolen from the shorelands and send the raiders on their way. Your oarsmen beam with glee as they row on toward town.

The defanging of berserks (or “berserkers”) in modern depictions (whether in the X-Men or the Vikings) is a shame. The berserks of the sagas are not brooding anti-heroes whose violence, if excessive, erupts primarily against the wicked. Instead, they are at best brutes and bullies and at worst subhuman madmen who dress and behave like animals (for instance, by gnawing on their shields). To analogize to Marvel characters, they are more Carnage than Wolverine.

In this regard, it is telling that berserks are also called úlfhéðinn (“wolf-coats”). One of the worst legal punishments meted out in Norse cultures was to be declared outlaw (outside the protection of the law); an outlaw, like a wolf, was called a vargr. Wolves may today have various noble qualities to them but in darker ages they were banes of civilization, flock-destroyers and predators that might hunt anyone who strayed too far into the night or wilderness. Among the worst traits the sagas can ascribe to a man is “wolfishness.” And in the Völuspá, the world’s last gasp before it “goes down” is “a wind-age, a wolf-age.”

As noted, in Fallen Gods, the boundary between man and animal is particularly important because the old Firstborn gods, like the Great Wolf Amarok, are associated with beasts. Some, including Amarok, made a deliberate effort to degrade humans down to a bestial level. Wolf-men are Amarok’s men; their atavism is not just anti-social and against the law but unholy to boot.

But with this taboo comes immense power. Berserks are by far the mightiest and hardiest fighters in the warband. This helps not only in combat itself, but also during events, when they can assist the god by performing feats of strength. And on top of their striking power and health, they are immune to poison, sickness, and fear.

Of course, this very fearlessness means that they won’t retreat (such that if the player flees a fight, he loses any berserk followers) and can hardly restrain themselves when lying in wait. Further, they are contemptuous of a god who shows discretion, let alone cowardice, in the face of foes. If a berserk’s respect is lost, he will soon leave the warband altogether.

Thus, berserks are both hard to find—like witches, they can be enlisted only during events, never through ordinary recruitment—and hard to keep. And they tend to heighten the danger to the god even while helping him overcome it, for they may force fights the player would rather avoid.

Skalds

The skald sings of Fraener, wingless, grounded, put to another sort of flight, hunted and hounded across the land by Orm and his band, a ragged wanderer, sinking ever lower. Then comes the dragon’s hidden shame, how dread drove him to wear a man’s skin and live like a beggar among those he loathed. As he learns of his brother’s breaking, glee gleams in the wurm’s eyes: long has he lusted for Fraener to feel fear and fall far, to share the shame he showered on his kin. He pays for this pleasure with lore of his own, learned perhaps when he still lived among the clouds, or else dug up in his long days below the ground.

Fallen Gods owes much to the skalds whose well-wrought tales and sagas preserved the history and values of their people until the craft of writing could make a permanent record. Thus, although skalds play a relatively minimal role within the sagas (with the occasional exception such as Kormáks saga), I knew from the outset that they had to be in our game.

Our skalds are singers, tale-tellers, and keepers of cultural lore. This set of skills can be surprisingly useful: the world of Fallen Gods is full of powerful, unhappy beings who can be persuaded or pacified by a well-chosen allegory or aphorism. Even within the warband itself, skalds can use music and sagas to lift flagging spirits. Alas, these musicians are not warriors: they are among the weakest of combatants, incapable of dealing or withstanding much damage.

Skalds’ willingness to follow the fallen god arises from two impulses: their practical interest in being paid by powerful leaders for their flattery and their desire to witness deeds of derring-do in order to compose their own original works. The former means that a god must give some gold to enlist a skald (one can often be found at a stronghold, where they are playing second fiddle to the jarl’s court poet). The latter means that the god can keep his own skald happy by resolving events in ways that are well-suited to tale-spinning. Heroism is one useful trait in that regard, but skalds also enjoy irony and uncanniness.

Maidens

As the maiden gazes at her own fair face within the stone, her lips shape unspoken words and her eyes shine with tears. Whatever she sees holds her spellbound for a long span until, at last, she looks away and takes your hand, leading you through the maze while still lost in thought. To the end, she says nothing of what she saw.

The sagas are replete with canny, comely young women who inspire, ensnare, inflame, and otherwise wield influence over the men around them. This runs the gamut from the unnamed daughter of Halfdane in Beowulf (“a balm in bed to the battle-scarred Swede,” as rendered by Seamus Heaney) to the proud and scheming Hallgerður in Njals Saga, whose husbands wind up dead for their marital shortcomings. (No balm she.) While such women may not be “shield-maidens” in the vein of Hervor in The Saga of Hervor and Heidrek(Hervarar saga ok Heiðreks), neither are they passive bystanders in the sagas or our game. And though Norse myths and tales abound with female “prizes” chased and even traded by men—such as the Völsunga saga’s Brynhild (who, incidentally, is girded in what may be the first exploitative female fantasy armor: chain-mail “as tight as if it had grown to her skin”) to Freyja, pursued endlessly by gods, giants, and dwarfs throughout the Prose Edda—anyone familiar with these stories knows how well these women hold their own.
Thus, the maidens of Fallen Gods are by no means averse to cutting an enemy down with a dagger, though they are more likely to wield their wits or tongues as weapon. Typically, they are instigators rather than perpetrators of violence because they expect the god to be bold and not to shrink from danger, threats, or insults. Gods who fall short in this regard, or who show themselves greedy or petty, will have a hard time keeping a maiden from leaving.

While in the warband, maidens are not only able to help in fights but also in healing the god when he rests, as basic combat care is a common talent among the saga women who are invariably patching up both wounded men and tattered social fabric. They are also adept at spotting and exploiting the vanities of men, and monsters, that the god may encounter in events.

Witches

An unholy howling rouses you from your rest, and in the dark you spot a loathsome bulk astride the balking hermit. Hag-ridden, he cries for help, a call only half-heard with all the caterwauling. Before your mind can make head or tail of this unseemly tupping, the witch leans down and seems to suck the very sound, and life, from his lips. She turns to you and spits, muttering that she’s sprung you from a wizard’s trap. Striking a light, you see scattered tools and runes that do indeed bespeak black spells. You leave the dead man and his hut without waiting for the dawn.

Because witches were discussed extensively in a prior update, their character will be mentioned only in summary here: they are mighty, wicked beings devoted to upending the world’s orderly operation. Their interest in helping the god is perverse: they want him to return to the Cloudlands because the other gods want him out. They are most pleased with the god when he causes chaos, overthrows law, or shames the great.

All said, witches are likely the most powerful followers. Not only are they deadly in fights (albeit somewhat weaker than berserks or the best fighters), they have extremely useful skills outside of combat. Witches offer one of only three ways to lift curses (the god’s soulfire skill can do so at the cost of a soul, and the Skinbound book can do so at the cost of a day), a status ailment that causes the god to fail any luck roll and to suffer a penalty to allrolls. On top of this basic ability, witches open a host of interesting paths in events, using their unique abilities to overcome obstacles in surprising ways. Moreover, like the god, they can grow in power through the souls of others, but their use of souls is much darker than his—more akin to vampirism than worship. They particularly enjoy draining the strength from powerful men, like wizards, or from the young and beautiful, like maidens. Thus, they can grow even more powerful if the player permits them to indulge in such feasts.

But while witches can be very useful, their cruelty and perversity offends other followers. They thus cause persistent unhappiness and can completely destroy the warband’s morale when, say, eating a baby or defiling a shrine. The player is put in the difficult position of giving way to the witch’s unholy wants and alienating his other followers, or denying her wishes and driving her off. Because finding a witch is very difficult to begin with (often requiring a trek into the heart of a deep marsh or overcoming a tricky challenge) it may be hard to give her up once that high price is paid.

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Winning in Fallen Gods, or even just exploring its maze of paths and uncovering its secrets, will require assembling the right warband for particular challenges ahead. Such strategy will involve a mix of common sense (e.g., adding a woodsman before exploring a vast forest), in-game information gathering (e.g., finding out about a cave before attempting to delve its depths), and specific experience (e.g., knowing from having encountered certain events before that a certain follower would be helpful). As the player learns about the game’s lore and rules, he’ll become better at that kind of strategizing.

But Fallen Gods is different from more punishing rogue-likes that require the perfect combination of tools (and luck) to win. Our focus is more on ensuring thatevery combination of followers (and god skills and items) yields new and interesting opportunities for the player to engage with the game and make satisfying choices. You may not win every time, but our hope is that some new path will open or some new wrinkle will be found on an old path, such as a priest’s forlorn commentary on a witch’s misdeed, or a berserk’s catastrophic rush to battle that spoils a well-laid ambush. By wrangling with this cast of characters, the god—and, more importantly, the player who controls the god—will be able to show himself as not only a hero but a leader, for better and worse.

NEXT UPDATE: Anatomy of an Event



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I’ve previously mentioned King of Dragon Pass, a classic game with some similarities toFallen Gods. Recently, the developer (A-Sharp) released a successor called Six Ages: Ride Like the Wind. In some ways it is the anti-Fallen Gods—progress is incremental, rather than chunky; there is no single player-character on whom the narrative and action is focused; the relationship between cause and effect is often opaque; choices often seem nuanced and subtle rather than bold and stark.

But in other ways, Six Ages may illuminate some aspects of how followers work in Fallen Gods; they play a similar role of providing advice and commentary during events, offering unique solutions to challenges, and giving passive and active bonuses for certain actions.

More importantly, Six Ages is one of the finest examples of a created mythology that I can think of (rivaling Tolkien’s famed work and certainly exceeding my own). It is not merely that the mythology is compelling; it’s that it feels real, the way mythology is at once very strange and deeply connected to our relationship with the world. And the way the player engages with the mythology directly (through ritual reenactments and retellings) and indirectly (by understanding the cultural implications of his actions in events) is unparalleled by anything I’ve seen other than King of Dragon Pass itself. In this regard, and others, it also captures the perils and pleasures of being a leader in a premodern society.

For now the game is only available on iPhone, with the attendant annoyances and benefits that brings, but it should come to computers next spring. I highly recommend it.
 

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For a second I was expecting supplying the berserkers with drugs and mushrooms everyday to be an element, but I guess that would be too cruel on top of all these responsibilities. :lol:

Good update regardless, it's nice to have an overview of the followers. Neat-looking sprites too.
 

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While I'm aware of the drug-induced theory of berserkers, in Fallen Gods the status is more of a permanent mania than an induced state -- that's more in line with the sagas, I think, and more interesting in terms of how it fits with our lore.
 

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Excellent update. I didn't think I would be up for reading a big block of text and was preparing to skim past it, but I quickly got interested and read through the whole thing before I even knew it. A good sign for things to come I suppose.

The main problem I usually see with games like these is the eventual exploring of all options before the game is actually finished; so after your fifth or sixth reset, you're playing through the same early/early-mid game. Any plans to make sure the game manages to stay fresh and avoid this issue?
 

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Well, the "early/early-mid" game is going to be very different every time, I think, because of differences in (1) spawn location; (2) map topography; (3) god skills/fetch/starting item; (4) encounters (i.e., transient events that appear and vanish as you travel); (5) locations (i.e., fixed events that remain on the map); and (6) dungeon "stacks" (i.e., the events that you have within dungeons). A god with a wolf, wild heart, foresight, and bow of bones who spawns in the middle of a forest next to a woodstead (i.e., where he can get a woodsman right away) will have a whole different sets of advantages than a god who spawns under different circumstances.

That said, this is super academic because the game isn't playable in that way yet -- the danger (and it's profound) of this game is that we can't really play it until it's content complete, by which point the content will limit the adjustments we can make to gameplay. That's one reason why I'm warning people not to get too excited.

This is true even of the writing. I am confident that in a Pepsi Challenge, the writing will do fine for a certain subset of the market (like, people seem to enjoy the game text we include in the updates). But I don't know what the experience of reading node after node after node after node will be. (To be clear, you'll never just sit there reading nodes, there's always choices, fights, exploration, etc. interspersed -- but in a given playthrough you'll still have at least a few dozen nodes.) Will the tone be right? Are the nodes too long? By the time we get to the point where we can answer that question, any kind of general change to the text style will be unthinkable -- it has taken me years to write, revise, and get VO recorded for what we have right now (in part because of stylistic shifts that occur over time).

It's true of the art, too. For instance, the art I commissioned for combat limits what we can do (we have only jumping, attacking, and dying animations, and only in one direction (which can be flipped, obviously)). We might be able to expand the art, if the artist remains interested, if the spice budget allocations continue to flow -- but there are limits there, too.

So, yeah... The game may have real problems, including the one you mention and many more. But I hope it won't!
 

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I really love the pixel art in this. So...restrained? I like the fairly muted palette, I like how it's not super stylized. It's hard to say what it reminds me of, maybe some of those old shareware RPGs? (in a good way!)
 

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Many retro games, despite calling back to a certain piece of hardware, will still take note of modern technology and color palettes. The artist seems to be taking the hardware limitations of late 90's DOS games in mind, and trying to get the best result with a somewhat more limited pool. Granted, one can't say if an old DOS computer can run Fallen Gods, but it's still a nice approach.
 
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Great artwork, narration and music!

The profound truth is that the heroic sagas depict the fractious nature of human civilization rather well. It's a great idea to mould the character classes and their roles in the sagas' image. It is true to the Babylonian spell that most people don't understand each other, and judge another by how useful one is. Except for the bonds people form, and even these are tested by time and circumstance. The entire setting with the wild lands contrasting with civilization trying to stake its claim is a masterstroke and the types of followers you can recruit match it perfectly. It seems the protagonist in FG is truly lonely, if you discount the fetch. It may well be that this will turn out to be a strength of FG, not only because it is at the opposite spectrum compared to recent Bioware and Obsidian fare.

Apparently you have distilled some lessons from Heroes of Might and Magic and Weird Worlds. The former excels at multidimensional exploration. It's not only the realm you explore, or the narrative, but mostly you explore the different dimensions of the mechanics to arrive at a winning strategy and the randomly generated map makes each playthrough new. Multidimensional exploration is also the key feature in Dead in Vinland and Hero-U, and there are quite some fans who enjoyed these games tremendously. Maybe you could make a mental note to join hands with them some time, as these games most likely share the same audience, and a joint marketing may work well for all.

I wouldn't worry too much about the amount of nodes or text. The key is to tell people upfront what gameplay they can expect. Not doing that is possibly the cardinal sin which InXile is guilty of in the case of ToN.

Maybe it will be helpful in the long term if you add a subtitle that stresses the exploration aspect, something like Fallen Gods — Explore Thy Realm!
 

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Just wanted to drop in and mention that I'm a big fan of the soundtrack, I've been playing it on loop on soundcloud. It's very soothing whilst I bash my keyboard in my own fits of frustration.
 

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Big Wrangle No hope of an old computer running it, as it's being made in Unity. (Sigh.) But the pixel artist, Dan, is definitely inspired by old school games, not for their ugliness (as some retro games seem to be) but for their beauty.

Neanderthal Awww. :)

Quantomas Thanks for the kind words, and generous comparison to HOMM. Not sure if we'll live up to it, but I did adore HOMM and its map design is certainly an influence. In terms of the nodes, my concern isn't that players will be turned off by the quantity itself. (I'm sure many players will be, but that's the nature of the game.) My concern is that the style of the nodes may work well in limited quantities but not in large quantities -- like italics or all caps or Pepsi in the Pepsi Challenge. :)

Bantichai Thanks -- Anders is great!
 

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Quantomas Thanks for the kind words, and generous comparison to HOMM. Not sure if we'll live up to it, but I did adore HOMM and its map design is certainly an influence. In terms of the nodes, my concern isn't that players will be turned off by the quantity itself. (I'm sure many players will be, but that's the nature of the game.) My concern is that the style of the nodes may work well in limited quantities but not in large quantities -- like italics or all caps or Pepsi in the Pepsi Challenge. :)
I see. But judging by the samples you provided I am certain it will be a blast. It's like LOTR which had much more quality narrating and acting like you find on stage, and I always wanted more of it! (Actually I was a bit disappointed that the third movie focused so much on the battles.)

I understand that you want to keep things manageable, but your writing would also be a great fit for a full-blown HOMM game.
 

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The recent follower update is the first I have not read to the end (and I do not intend to), because I consider its contents to be essentially spoilers for the game. I would rather discover all the types of followers on my own rather than read about them in an update, including recruitment locations and methods.

I understand that MRY wants to build up hype for the game and show the work that went into designining all of this and maybe this works for some people, but for me presenting two types of companions in detail, with note that many more will be included in the game, would have been enough. As it is, reading the whole of the update would discourage me from playing Fallen Gods, rather than enourage, since many of the potential surprises and discoveries awaiting in the game would be ruined.
 

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