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Emulation central - recommendations in 1st post

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by spekkio, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. spekkio Arcane

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    Newb-friendly list of recommended emulators + required files + other thingies. :obviously:

    PC gaming from the 1980-1990 era (DOS / Win 3.1) (open)

    PC gaming from the 1990-2000 era (Win9x + DirectX 7.0 + Pentium MMX + VooDoo graphics) (open)

    86box

    Regular and Optimized builds

    Bios pack (September 2017)

    PCem

    Official releases

    Bios pack (June 2016)

    Turorial for old PCem, 86box and new Pcem have slightly different UI

    Commodore 64 / 128 (open)

    Commodore Amiga / CD32 (open)

    Atari XL/XE (open)

    Atari ST (open)

    Nintendo Entertainment System (open)

    Mesen

    Official releases

    RetroArch - Nestopia UE core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble.

    Super Nintendo Entertainment System (open)

    RetroArch - bSNES-Mercury Balanced (casual use) or Higan (most accurate) or Snes9x (for rom hacks which work only on emulators) cores

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble.

    Nintendo 64 (open)

    m64p

    Official releases

    Project64

    Official releases

    Also:

    N64 All-in-One pack by Phantasmal
    N64 Configuration List

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble.

    Nintendo Gamecube / Wii (open)

    Nintendo Wii U (open)

    Cemu

    Official releases

    Useful things:

    CemuHook (extension)
    Cemu Graphic Packs (enhancement) Graphic Packs explained

    Consult the Compatibility list in case of trouble.

    Nintendo Game Boy / Game Boy Color (open)

    RetroArch - Gambatte core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Nintendo Game Boy Advance (open)

    RetroArch - mGBA (the best ATM) or VBA-M (still 2nd-best) cores

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble. Using shaders to reduce oversaturation is advised.

    Nintendo Dual Screen (open)

    RetroArch - DeSmuME core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble.

    Nintendo 3DS (open)

    Sega Master System / Game Gear / Genesis / 32X / Sega CD (open)

    RetroArch - Genesis Plus GX core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds
    Sega CD Bios pack - Genesis Plus GX core

    Kega Fusion

    Official releases
    Sega CD Bios pack - Kega Fusion


    Sega Saturn (open)

    RetroArch - Beetle Saturn core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Bios pack - Beetle Saturn core

    SSF

    Official builds

    Bios pack for older emus (SSF, Yabause)

    Sega Dreamcast (open)

    DEmul

    Official releases

    Bios pack - DEmul

    RetroArch - Reicast regular or Reicast OIT core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Bios pack - Reicast core

    NEC TurboGrafx-16 / PC Engine (open)

    RetroArch - Beetle PCE-Fast core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Bios

    Sony Playstation (open)

    RetroArch - Beetle PSX or Beetle PSX-HW core

    Official releases & Unofficial builds

    Bios pack - Beetle PSX core

    Consult the EmuGen Wiki in case of trouble.

    Sony Playstation 2 (open)

    Sony Playstation 3 (open)

    RPCS3

    Official builds

    Firmware

    Consult the Compatibility list in case of trouble.

    Sony Playstation Portable (open)

    Xbox (open)

    EmuGen Wiki


    Xbox 360 (open)

    Xenia

    Unofficial builds


    Tical's antediluvian computers corner (open)

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  2. spekkio Arcane

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    Let me start with stating the following:

    PPSSPP > Jpcsp

    :obviously:

    IMO two reasons are crucial: speed (all tested game work at ~100% speed) and quality of graphics (see below).
    Of course compatibility is still the most important thingie, so I decided to give some games a go:

    [​IMG]

    a) = PPSSPP 20131002 Win from http://www.emucr.com/
    b) = Jpcsp 3402winx86 from http://buildbot.orphis.net/jpcsp/index.php (compilations from emuCR don't work for me - compilation-related crash at startup)

    I went with default values for both emus, except x2 window size and filtering (linear for PPSSPP & anisotropic for Jpcsp). It also looks that PPSSPP uses enhanced internal resolution by default (probably that's why the screens look so much better).
    Both music and videos work much better in PPSSPP as well (without using external codecs or sth).

    1) Fat Princess - Fistful Of Cake (E) (was broken for a long time in Jpcsp)

    a)

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    b) game crashes at mission start

    :roll:

    2) Daxter (U)

    a)

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    b) graphical errors:

    [​IMG]

    :roll:

    3) Tekken - Dark Resurrection (U)

    a)

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    b) graphical errors

    [​IMG]

    4) Senjou no Valkyria 3 Extra Edition (J)

    a)

    [​IMG]
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    b) GUI borked

    [​IMG]

    5) Valkyria Chronicles 2 (U)

    a)

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    b) GUI borked

    [​IMG]

    6) Jeanne D'Arc (U)

    a) game no longer crashes in main menu...

    [​IMG]

    But units and some 2D elements are invisible...

    [​IMG]

    :decline:

    b) works fine, except fonts (SCO posted solution to this)

    [​IMG]

    :incline:

    7) Wipeout Pure (U)

    a) too much bloom (lighting is broken?)

    [​IMG]
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    b) white screen when ingame (even moar bloom?)

    :(

    8) Final Fantasy Tactics - The War Of The Lions (U)

    a)

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    b) too blurry with filtering on

    [​IMG]

    9) LocoRoco (E)

    a) loco dudes are finally round!

    [​IMG]

    :yeah:

    Just look at these chubby motherfuckers in high res:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    :love:

    b) yellow dudes are still square

    [​IMG]

    :(

    10) Silent Hill - Origins (U)

    a) graphics are totally broken

    [​IMG]

    b) works, but is unplayable due to heavy flickering and slowdowns

    [​IMG]

    11) Tactics Ogre - Let Us Cling Together (U)

    a) looks tight as fuck

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    b) right part of the screen is broken (flickering)

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    tl;dr

    PPSSPP wins.

    :thumbsup:

    [/objectivejournalism]
     
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  3. funkadelik Arcane

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    Can you play Patapon?
     
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  4. spekkio Arcane

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    AFAIR it worked on older versions of PPSSPP. Will check tomorrow.
     
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  5. Hellraiser Arcane

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    Trying to play Advance Wars: Days of Ruin in DESUDESUEMU DeSmuME, running on my not that good laptop:

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    A (probably autistic) hot chick is found. She's probably jailbait though.

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    Rubinelle shells in the night.

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    Manboon machete rape gangs lurk after ITZ. Storyline has strong parallels with Cleveology, manboons roam world after ITZ rapin' lootin' and killin', sociopathic faction of hyperinteligent hominids plot something sinister bearing parallels to melonheads, only Captain Blakemore Brenner and his followers don't act like manboons and can resist the manipulation.

    No fancy filters, just 2,5x magnification. Still experiencing major slowdown at times which is why I'll probably stop playing around chapter 10. I may continue on my more powerful desktop. Hopefully the slowdown can be solved with just raw CPU power rather than the developer optimizing his emulator.

    Also playing a few SNES games lately, making use of a gamepad that has recently become available to me (I also use it for DESE DESU DEE ESSU), analog sticks are actually quite good in emulated 2D titles:

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    F-Zero in ZSNES with 25% scanlines and interpolation, upscaled to whatever the res in this shot is, hi-res mode 7 is on. Doesn't look all that great on screenshots (I think the only F-Zero game to look good on those is GX/AX), but it's still quite fun and feels rather fast. US NTSC version of F-Zero of course as that one ran at a higher framerate.

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    Super Castlevania IV on same settings, looks much prettier.

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    Super Metroid, pretty nice.

    Biggest advantage of using 25% scanlines and interpolation over HQ, super eagle or other filters when upscaling is that text and other shapes are accurate without looking too low res. Not ideal but text doesn't look funky. It also IMO more or less matches the NTSC filter without the "fuzzyness" or "noise" of a TV screen that makes text unreadable and causing eye-strain (at least for me). I found it to be the optimal solution, close enough to what you would see on an actual TV if you had an actual SNES hooked up, while still being upscaled and not pixelated as fuck on an LCD monitor with resolution far superior to that which the SNES did output. Looks very good even on my desktop's 21 inch (or 22 inch? I forgot) widescreen LCD monitor. Of course it would be better to just use TV-out and hook up the PC to a CRT TV to get the closest to authentic visuals, but both TV-out and CRT are pretty much dead tech as of a few years ago.

    Here's a comparison of ZSNES filters using Chrono Trigger, settings other than filters were unchanged, scanlines set to none in all but the interpolation+25% scanline shot:

    No filters, no scanlines:


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    Interpolation and Scanlines 25%:

    [​IMG]
    2xSai Engine:

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    2xSuper Sai:

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    NTSC filter:

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    Super eagle:

    [​IMG]
    HQ filter:

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    Other than interpolation and NTSC the filters have trouble with correct representation of curved shapes. In some games it isn't noticeable, but in games that use text some fonts, menus and dialog boxes may look really funky. I had this problem with Front Mission's text which is why I originally experimented with filter settings other than HQ.

    I also have Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2 screenshots but they're on the desktop so I can't access them at the moment. DKC looks really fucking good since Rare pushed the SNES to the limit without using any fancy chips inside the cartridge IIRC. It's not just that everything was pre-rendered CGI, they managed to fit all those highly-detailed animated in sprites within just a few megabytes due to some fancy compression without chopping down animation frames.
     
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  6. Athelas Arcane

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    I've found that Scale is the best filter. The other ones like HQ, Sai and Eagle have too much of a smushing or blurry effect.
     
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  7. dnf Pedophile Dumbfuck Shitposter

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    Does PSP emulation have good peformance with Core 2 Duo or not like the PS2 and gamecube?
     
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  8. SCO Arcane In My Safe Space

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    It's a simpler machine, sure. Even my craptop from 2006 does it. Besides, it's all high level emulation here. Sound occasionally will not work outside of windows for now - which versions are cheating by downloading a compiled dll from sony for it; without a license - (it will soon, the reversed codec is about to be merged in ffmpeg).

    On both emulators you need the official PSP fonts to play some games, so if your fonts are broken somehow, you know what to do.
     
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  9. meanwhileInPoland Arcane

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    i tried locoroco but have some shitty graphic artifacts on half of my screen and tactics ogre freezes after first battle where you can command your hole team:rage:

    that was always my fear with emulation. that i invest 20+hours in playing some old shit and than encounter game breaking bug or some other shit
     
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  10. Gragt Arcane Patron

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    Heh, zsnes …
     
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  11. SCO Arcane In My Safe Space

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    The git version of PPSSPP has a better splines/bezier options that 'fixes' those artifacts at the cost of speed, speed baby.

    You do know how to compile don't you :troll:

    Anyway, playing Phantom Brave now... cute. Game has nice ideas, but movement precision/ease of use is one of the worst i've ever seen in a TJRPG. Especially since characters can jump on top of objects/enemies then need to attack and can't :lol:
    edit: :lol: wtf, you're encouraged to kill neutral characters in this game apparently with no consequence whatsoever.


    BTW, this is probably the last generation, except possibly NDS that will be easily emulated, all subsequent ones are DRM'd up the ass, so their proprietary hardware will not be friendly to reverse engineering.
     
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  12. yes plz Arcane

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    Yeah, I've never liked those filters either. I'd much rather my game look pixelated than look like someone redrew the graphics with smudgy watercolors.

    Also, how's Dolphin these days? I've never been able to run most Wii games on it at high, stable speeds and my computer is fairly decent.
     
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  13. ghostdog Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    People still bother with zsnes ? snes9x is much better. Normal scaling filter is the best IMO. snes9x has up to 4x normal scaling filter, but 3x is enough for 1080p :

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    And if you want the old TV experience:

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  14. SCO Arcane In My Safe Space

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    A retard troll at the debian maintainers 'deprecated' snes9x for zsnes even though if anything had to be deprecated it was zsnes since at least snes9x has a recent linux release that is actually ABI portable.

    Result: no snes9x on official ubuntu repositories.
     
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  15. spekkio Arcane

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    You have dynamic recompiler enabled?

    http://buildbot.orphis.net/ppsspp/index.php

    :nocountryforshitposters:

    You mean 3DS? And how about WiiU (not that it has any games) - is it really that different when comapred to itz predecessor?
     
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  16. Lerk Learned

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    My GF wants to play The Last of Us and since my PS3 got bricked last year, I really don't want to shell out for another (especially since nextgen is right around the corner)

    You bros know is there a functional PS3 emu out there that would allow this game to be played? Last time I dicked around with emus was to get Zelda OoT and MM running, which was like...10 years ago, maybe :obviously:
     
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  17. spekkio Arcane

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    No, and chances of an PS3 emu appearing in the near future are close to 0. Various reasons, but mostly what SCO wrote above.
     
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  18. meanwhileInPoland Arcane

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    it will come out short after first xbox emulator:troll:
     
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  19. Lerk Learned

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    Figures, but cheers for the info.
     
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  20. spekkio Arcane

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    Pon.

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    Works great on PPSSPP, including sound during FMVs (missing on Jpcsp):

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    :obviously:

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    On Jpcsp the game works fine as well:

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  21. Hellraiser Arcane

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    I tried both with on and off, it's an issue either with the CPU (Intel Core i3-380M) or Intel's crap integrated graphics.

    Anyway yes, I know Snes9x has better compatibility. Yes I know it has better sound. Yes I know it emulates the SNES more accurately. Issue is I get weird shit on my laptop if I even dare to press ESC to bring up the top menu once, probably due to lol intel integrated graphics:

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    Screen goes black at first, I move a bit and most of the image reappears but a lot of the stuff is missing as seen above. I'm guessing all the elements that don't change frame or position and thus are not redrawn. So don't hate on me for using zsnes bros, it's intel's fault. :M

    Also I think interpolation+25% scanlines in zsnes looks better than TV mode+scanlines in snes9x. Probably because I can't change the ammount of scanlines, but that could just be my brain and eyes failing me.
     
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  22. Krraloth Liturgist Patron

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    PSP emulator looks good but I sadly don't meet the reqs.
     
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  23. spekkio Arcane

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    Really? That's too bad, Soldier.
    I don't think there are steep.

    My specs:

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  24. Krraloth Liturgist Patron

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    Eh commander, the laptop has not dedicated video card and not even an HD to boot.
    Need to get a better laptop but I need money but I need a job.

    edit let's try again:

    My laptop has a shitty integrated video card. Awesome to play old classics, but I can emulate at best a psx.
     
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  25. SCO Arcane In My Safe Space

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    Lololol, buy a android phone, PPSSPP works there.
     
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