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Crispy™ Dominions 4 PBEM - Gateway and Archive Thread
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Dayyālu
Arcane
*Autism awareness*
Would you believe that you beat me by seconds in making a thread?
I'm in. Again, EA is good for me (even if it is my least favourite era).
Random pick I would not like much, but I'm open to suggestions. Thrones and Disciples (even small teams like 2-3 players) are ok for me. More Thrones than the last time would be an excellent idea, "12 and victory at 7" seem good. How many Level 2 and Level 1?
Mods? Awesome Heroes is good, and if someone wants to play Underwater Friends I suggest UW expanded, as the fabled UW patch will need some time to get out.
People! Be Divine and Join! Remember, We All Have no Fucking Idea of What We are Doing!
Would you believe that you beat me by seconds in making a thread?
I'm in. Again, EA is good for me (even if it is my least favourite era).
Random pick I would not like much, but I'm open to suggestions. Thrones and Disciples (even small teams like 2-3 players) are ok for me. More Thrones than the last time would be an excellent idea, "12 and victory at 7" seem good. How many Level 2 and Level 1?
Mods? Awesome Heroes is good, and if someone wants to play Underwater Friends I suggest UW expanded, as the fabled UW patch will need some time to get out.
People! Be Divine and Join! Remember, We All Have no Fucking Idea of What We are Doing!
Everyone gets offered 3 nations at random and picks one of them. One after the other and those picked are eliminated.
or, thesheep's suggestion:
Map: I say Realm of Rampaging Roaches.
Mods: Yes to Worthy Heroes.
This one? Is that one still relevant? Last update is rather old, I remember Illwinter doing some rebalance last patch.
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hoverdog
dog that is hovering, Wastelands Interactive
I'm in.
Disciples
preferably EA
preferably only horizontal wrapping if possible
semi-random (pick one of two/three randomized) nations seem fun
don't care about thrones
don't care about mods
Disciples
preferably EA
preferably only horizontal wrapping if possible
semi-random (pick one of two/three randomized) nations seem fun
don't care about thrones
don't care about mods
I'm in, too.
And I also vote for random. Why not let everyone who wants to join name a number of nations and he then gets a random pick from those.
I have no opinion on thrones or mods or disciples (I'm new anyway so it doesn't matter to me, yet).
Wrap around only west-east, please.
So, hoverdog would name two or three, I would name ALL OF THEM, etc.
We would only need to decide who does the rolling.
And I also vote for random. Why not let everyone who wants to join name a number of nations and he then gets a random pick from those.
I have no opinion on thrones or mods or disciples (I'm new anyway so it doesn't matter to me, yet).
Wrap around only west-east, please.
So, hoverdog would name two or three, I would name ALL OF THEM, etc.
We would only need to decide who does the rolling.
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Dayyālu
Arcane
Everytime I look at the picture, something new was added.
That is some pro art, man!
I especially like my thinking pose.
That is some pro art, man!
I especially like my thinking pose.
Gawd, I'll never finish my LP like this, but what the fuck. I'm in.
I vote for Worthy Heroes and don't mind against UW Expanded. Don't approve of other mods.
I vote for Worthy Heroes and don't mind against UW Expanded. Don't approve of other mods.
CaptainCoxwaggle
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I'm up for it if you have the space and willing to trust a newfag to not bail on you
I'd be up for it, though my inexperience will lead to a quick demise.
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If we end up doing a disciples game you'll most probably have a more experienced player on the team that will help you to ensure victory for your pretender, as opposed to using you and stabbing you later on a regular game, so don't be shy and join up the game even if you don't have any experience, the more, the merrier.
KoolNoodles
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East-West wrap.
EA(more sites are cool)
Disciples teams of two if doable, three otherwise(can't be more diplomacy and TALKING than last game right??!). This would also allow newbies to not get rolled(that said, one head honcho calling all the shots is boring, don't be that guy).
Randomish teams/nations or snake draft.
Thrones at an acceptable level to create tension/game end.
Mods = worthy heroes and MAYBE UW Expanded, but I've not much experience with it outside of SP, and I usually feel the more a mod changes the less balanced the game becomes. I say that, but then look at Dominions.
Mapwise, the random generator in Dom4 is not too bad, but you'd have to run it a few times to make it quasi-balanced(and it's sometimes hard to get the water provinces right), and do things like increase cave frequency if Agartha were in, etc.
EA(more sites are cool)
Disciples teams of two if doable, three otherwise(can't be more diplomacy and TALKING than last game right??!). This would also allow newbies to not get rolled(that said, one head honcho calling all the shots is boring, don't be that guy).
Randomish teams/nations or snake draft.
Thrones at an acceptable level to create tension/game end.
Mods = worthy heroes and MAYBE UW Expanded, but I've not much experience with it outside of SP, and I usually feel the more a mod changes the less balanced the game becomes. I say that, but then look at Dominions.
Mapwise, the random generator in Dom4 is not too bad, but you'd have to run it a few times to make it quasi-balanced(and it's sometimes hard to get the water provinces right), and do things like increase cave frequency if Agartha were in, etc.
Johannes
Arcane
I can play if it's not disciples.
I vote against disciples too. Especially if you want to assign nations randomly - that's just pure madness.
(don't mind against random nations in a non-disciples game)
(don't mind against random nations in a non-disciples game)
Might as well explain my point of view.
Discipe games are different games. They demand serious-ass approach.
1. You can't play disciples with someone you know absolutely nothing about. It's a team game. So you end up playing in team with a newfag like me (3 month on the Codex), you try to contact me and discuss strategy (coz all normal players will do the same), and I'm like "Relax, dude. I'm a natural. Let's YOLO these motherfuckers. Also, how to I hire new commanders?" It's not fun to lose just coz of prick in your team.
2. You can't play disciples AND assign random nations at the same time - it's just plain damn stupid. That's the whole point: some nations are unbelivably great in synergy, others don't benefit from alliance at all, and some are even suffering from allience with each other. Let's take MA for some simple examples:
- You put Ermor and Pangaea together. How do they benefit, I ask you? They can't exchange gems (Pangaea has no use for death gems, Ermor has no use for any other gems up til midgame), they benefit from different global rituals, and Pangaea will struggle to survive if it starts as Ermor's neighbor. This is a BAD disciple combination.
- You put Agartha and Shinuyama together. Shinuyama searches for gems and sends all fire, earth, death and water to Agartha. Agartha amasses isane numbers of national summons and pwns poor Pangaea and Ermor. This is a gud combination.
- Ulm and Ashdod. Ulm has insane forging capabilities, but not very great thugs (black lords are nice, but not great) and next-to-none aviliable SC (not until late midgame, at least). Ashdod has insane thugs and SC (both summoned and recruitable), that would benefit greatly from artifacts, but not so much availiable forging possibilities. Also, Ashdod doesn't have much use for earth gems (Ulm can use them much better, at least). A gud combination.
- C'its can work nicely with UW nations, but not surface ones, coz of Miasma dominion.
- etc.
It's something that team-mates should sit and discuss, and develop together. Not be left for random, for fuck sake.
3. Disciples game should be played on hand-edited map. It's easy (just to take any existing map, edit custom starting points using in-game map editor; edit custom Throne placement; then send it to llamaserver - it'll be there in a second). Because:
- Disciple nations that share borderes are stronger than those, who start on opposite ends (if we speak non-wraparound);
- Some temperature Thrones can break the game for temperature-dependent nations. Throne of Winter is a game-over if it spawns next to Abysia's capital.
Map editing isn't hard, and should be done if you plan a serious monocled session, methinks.
All in all, I vote against disciples.
Discipe games are different games. They demand serious-ass approach.
1. You can't play disciples with someone you know absolutely nothing about. It's a team game. So you end up playing in team with a newfag like me (3 month on the Codex), you try to contact me and discuss strategy (coz all normal players will do the same), and I'm like "Relax, dude. I'm a natural. Let's YOLO these motherfuckers. Also, how to I hire new commanders?" It's not fun to lose just coz of prick in your team.
2. You can't play disciples AND assign random nations at the same time - it's just plain damn stupid. That's the whole point: some nations are unbelivably great in synergy, others don't benefit from alliance at all, and some are even suffering from allience with each other. Let's take MA for some simple examples:
- You put Ermor and Pangaea together. How do they benefit, I ask you? They can't exchange gems (Pangaea has no use for death gems, Ermor has no use for any other gems up til midgame), they benefit from different global rituals, and Pangaea will struggle to survive if it starts as Ermor's neighbor. This is a BAD disciple combination.
- You put Agartha and Shinuyama together. Shinuyama searches for gems and sends all fire, earth, death and water to Agartha. Agartha amasses isane numbers of national summons and pwns poor Pangaea and Ermor. This is a gud combination.
- Ulm and Ashdod. Ulm has insane forging capabilities, but not very great thugs (black lords are nice, but not great) and next-to-none aviliable SC (not until late midgame, at least). Ashdod has insane thugs and SC (both summoned and recruitable), that would benefit greatly from artifacts, but not so much availiable forging possibilities. Also, Ashdod doesn't have much use for earth gems (Ulm can use them much better, at least). A gud combination.
- C'its can work nicely with UW nations, but not surface ones, coz of Miasma dominion.
- etc.
It's something that team-mates should sit and discuss, and develop together. Not be left for random, for fuck sake.
3. Disciples game should be played on hand-edited map. It's easy (just to take any existing map, edit custom starting points using in-game map editor; edit custom Throne placement; then send it to llamaserver - it'll be there in a second). Because:
- Disciple nations that share borderes are stronger than those, who start on opposite ends (if we speak non-wraparound);
- Some temperature Thrones can break the game for temperature-dependent nations. Throne of Winter is a game-over if it spawns next to Abysia's capital.
Map editing isn't hard, and should be done if you plan a serious monocled session, methinks.
All in all, I vote against disciples.
Wraparound maps sucks, btw. But I can deal with it if everyone insists.
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I get your points but your examples are... bad.
Ermor and Pangaea work together because both use turmoil/luck/magic scales, dont mind sloth either. You make Pangaea the pretender and avoid Ermor cancer dominion, this way you get one nation with full benefits (Pangaea) and one nation recruiting indies with excellent national summons (Ermor). Ermor usually doesnt get any gold because it kills its population so its a refreshing way to play it, helps with the otherwise horrible research too - provided you can find some indies to do that for you. Luck/turmoil/magic also showers the team with gems, as you pointed out Pangaea has no need for death so it can ship those to Ermor while Ermor gives back nature/earth. Not the best team but it works as long as you dont make Ermor pretender.
Shinuyama is easily a candidate for the worst MA nation so it pairs badly with anything. Shinu is also a turmoil nation while Agartha benefits from order a lot. Shinu has no sacreds while Agartha has very good summonable statues and will like a bless that Shinu can hardly use. I'd pair Shinu with other turmoil nations instead.
Ulm and Ashdod work together, both order nations that can benefit from similar scales. Not a huge synergy but it works.
As for Ctis you can not make it the pretender and this way avoid miasma while keeping all of their good parts like very good mages. Of course you give up their income bonus too.
Ermor and Pangaea work together because both use turmoil/luck/magic scales, dont mind sloth either. You make Pangaea the pretender and avoid Ermor cancer dominion, this way you get one nation with full benefits (Pangaea) and one nation recruiting indies with excellent national summons (Ermor). Ermor usually doesnt get any gold because it kills its population so its a refreshing way to play it, helps with the otherwise horrible research too - provided you can find some indies to do that for you. Luck/turmoil/magic also showers the team with gems, as you pointed out Pangaea has no need for death so it can ship those to Ermor while Ermor gives back nature/earth. Not the best team but it works as long as you dont make Ermor pretender.
Shinuyama is easily a candidate for the worst MA nation so it pairs badly with anything. Shinu is also a turmoil nation while Agartha benefits from order a lot. Shinu has no sacreds while Agartha has very good summonable statues and will like a bless that Shinu can hardly use. I'd pair Shinu with other turmoil nations instead.
Ulm and Ashdod work together, both order nations that can benefit from similar scales. Not a huge synergy but it works.
As for Ctis you can not make it the pretender and this way avoid miasma while keeping all of their good parts like very good mages. Of course you give up their income bonus too.
Grimwulf seems to have some points.
Though I think the Ermor/Pangea example is not true, as in Disciples games provinces are immune to people killing dominions of other allies.
I would rather have random than disciples if we have to choose.
Then again, dealing with the cards you are dealt is the whole point of random nation selection.
So some people have a better perspective due to staring locations and synergies, some seem to be assed due to wrong throne in wrong place (is that even possible, btw)?
Again, that is the whole point of randomness. To make things more interesting than a perfect balance would.
It's what makes it fun. The thrill of the gamble
If we wanted perfect balancing, we should play chess.
I also disagree that you should decide upon nations with the most synergies in a team. That would only lead to most teams playing the same/similar nation combo, I guess.
I'd say it would be best if everyone just played the nation he wants to for whatever reason and then discuss strategies after nations are selected.
Though I think the Ermor/Pangea example is not true, as in Disciples games provinces are immune to people killing dominions of other allies.
I would rather have random than disciples if we have to choose.
Then again, dealing with the cards you are dealt is the whole point of random nation selection.
So some people have a better perspective due to staring locations and synergies, some seem to be assed due to wrong throne in wrong place (is that even possible, btw)?
Again, that is the whole point of randomness. To make things more interesting than a perfect balance would.
It's what makes it fun. The thrill of the gamble
If we wanted perfect balancing, we should play chess.
I also disagree that you should decide upon nations with the most synergies in a team. That would only lead to most teams playing the same/similar nation combo, I guess.
I'd say it would be best if everyone just played the nation he wants to for whatever reason and then discuss strategies after nations are selected.
hoverdog
dog that is hovering, Wastelands Interactive
We could have hand-picked nations, but randomly assigned teams 
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