Deus Ex Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Pre-Release Thread

[Metro]

Who cares? It's a trailer meant to cater to the mass market of derpies. HR was fine. Unless they totally ignore the improvements they made in Missing Link I doubt this will be a bad game.

 

[jcd]

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[Alfons]

Why the fuck would you use a shotgun or rifle? Even when out of cover it's more effective to just spray with the pistol, revolver or minigun. The weapons in HR were fucking terrible.

 

[WhiteGuts]

Never know when I might come up against heavy armor.

Or Manderley

 

[jcd]

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[CyberP]

You missed the point of the post. Regardless, Deus Ex games can be played without stealth, but that's only true if you're idea of playing is quick saving after every kill and being randomly killed by a single headshot.

 

[Alfons]

I don't see anything entertaining in peppering a fucker with 30 rounds or 50 pellets without getting any reaction out of him. Maybe we have a different idea of entertainment.

You missed the point of the post. Regardless, Deus Ex games can be played without stealth, but that's only true if you're idea of playing is quick saving after every kill and being randomly killed by a single headshot.

Ah, Cyber! Go ahead and enlighten me buddy.

 

[jcd]

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[Andkat]

I do hope they improve the AI's ability to actually conduct a basic sweep of a room, so that the mere fact of having a silenced pistol doesn't turn you into some kind of inexorable, undetectable angel of death. You could execute the entirety of the hit squad that comes for you at the corporate safe room in Hengsha without so much as a stray bullet in your direction.

It would also be nice if things like the rocket launcher and minigun weren't totally useless compared to more compact alternatives (explosive revolver, EMP grenades, etc.) in terms of both risk (having to expose yourself to spin up or aim) and raw efficiency. Between the taser, the silenced pistol, and the explosive revolver there was no reason to ever use anything that was not a pistol in that game.

 

[CyberP]

Pain animation always plays upon the first shot (unless interrupted/overridden by something, such as death), and after two seconds the timer is reset; they will play a pain animation based on hit location again when shot. Guaranteed reaction! The majority of enemies also have very little health and go down with 1-4 shots to the head (can be more), depending upon weaponry used and skill levels. I agree the instakill headshot was bullshit though, yet that only ever happened to two weapons: the rifle and the pistol, and only on realistic difficulty. Ballistic protection and ballistic vests notwithstanding.

Are you trying to tell me it's some super-hardcore game where my equipment choice has to be carefully planned? I could finish the game with pretty much any weapon I wanted, I pick the one that's the most fun to shoot people with, that's all there is to it.

Are you saying Human Revolution is super hardcore and DX1 is not? Ammo and most other resources are rather more scarce in HR, you cannot spam any old weapon ad-infinitum, and I think this is one instance of HR doing something better. Ammo conservation/management just makes for better gameplay, otherwise why even have ammo in the first place (beyond realism, of course).

That all said, DX1 is far more hardcore and uncompromising than HR, as a whole. There is nothing about DX1 that is popamole-esque, except the ridiculous vast amount of resources.
Edit: and health regen.

 

[Alfons]

This never happens in any Deus Ex game ever. Are you trying to tell me it's some super-hardcore game where my equipment choice has to be carefully planned? I could finish the game with pretty much any weapon I wanted, I pick the one that's the most fun to shoot people with, that's all there is to it.

WTF are you talking about? HR on the hardest difficulty is a shit show. Maybe unarmored enemies die quickly but who gives a shit? After a certain point every asshole in the game is armored from head to toe. Then, you have a choice 15-20 rifle rounds or one headshot? Hell, the big minigun guys die from 2 headshots. A big part that makes the shooting fun is the result. Take for instance, the BFG. One shot decimates almost everything on screen, awesome. How awesome would it be if it barely did any fucking damage? You can finish the game without weapons, that doesn't make it fun it just makes it easy.

I agree the instakill headshot was bullshit though, yet that only ever happened to two weapons: the rifle and the pistol, and only on realistic difficulty.

So you reply by saying that something is bullshit only to say it's true in a subsequent post. Duded, how fucking stupid are you? At this point it's not even an insult, it's a genuine question.

 

[CyberP]

Ah, Cyber! Go ahead and enlighten me buddy.

I know Deus Ex's game code considerably well at this point, as well as played the game perhaps way too many times, so I don't know what the sarcasm is for.

For fuck sake, do you faggots even comprehend the incline I bring to this franchise that has lost it's way? I am one of few fighting the good fight, but of course the drama of EM-produced popamole is more valuable to you.

So you reply by saying that something is bullshit only to say it's true in a subsequent post. Duded, how fucking stupid are you? At this point it's not even an insult, it's a genuine question.

Your points are always so hilariously relevance-deficient. So I'm not allowed to disagree with an overall argument you're making if I also agree with one of your points made, with the exception that you exaggerated said point (insta-kill headshots rarely happen)? Just get the fuck out of my digital space you little prick.

 

[jcd]

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[CyberP]

I have never noticed any weapons doing "barely any damage", against any enemies, maybe except the giant robots.

In shithead's credit the assault rifle is often criticized as being too weak...which is a fair point, though it was still certainly viable if you just unload on the head (or use the under-barrel grenade launcher, of course). Other than that though all the other guns were mole-poppers so to speak, yes.

 

[Alfons]

For fuck sake, do you faggots even comprehend the incline I bring to this franchise that has lost it's way?

I realize how much, zero. Judging by your moddb success others feel the same way

So I'm not allowed to disagree with an overall argument you're making if I also agree with one of your points made, with the exception that you exaggerated said point (insta-kill headshots rarely happen)?

You quoted a single point and went on to say that the point is true. On realistic when you're in close range you get dropped on regular basis from random headshots.

Why would I play it on a higher difficulty level if it doesn't make the game any more "difficult", and only gives the enemies more health? Doesn't make any sense. Might as well play on normal and kill everyone with 3-5 rounds.

I played on normal and hard btw. Never had any problems with dispatching enemies in any quantities. I never had to think particularly hard about my equipment choices, ammo is plentiful, pretty much every weapon is viable with or without mods. You don't need to specialize, you just keep on walking through the level and popping moles at your discretion. I have never noticed any weapons doing "barely any damage", against any enemies, maybe except the giant robots.

 

[Abu Antar]

I thought Human Revolution was decent but not as good as the first game. I am expecting another decent game. Just as long as it isn't a piece of turd like Thi4f.

 

[CyberP]

I realize how much, zero. Judging by your moddb success others feel the same way

You're such a cheeky little shit. Typical "lovable" Codexer rogue-type.

Of course popularity != quality, otherwise Minecraft is the Citizen Kane of PC gaming. And for the record I've had great success on Moddb in all but popularity levels.

 

[Sykar]

You are aware that all Deus Ex games could be played without stealth whatsoever?While I personally found the trailer overdone to no end this is kind of meaningless criticism.

You missed the point of the post. Regardless, Deus Ex games can be played without stealth, but that's only true if you're idea of playing is quick saving after every kill and being randomly killed by a single headshot.

Also what would have been so exciting to see in a pure stealth trailer? Jensen waiting in an air duct for 3 minutes?

Personally, I don't need an "exciting" 4 minute Michael Bay montage to be interested. A "stealth trailer" would be more about tension and the air duct tidbit says more about the stealth in HR than how "exciting" stealth is. In reality, you are missing the point again. I want a trailer that's representative of the actual experience, not some flashy shit that's supposed to make me interested.

Furthermore, they did show some stealth moments when he sneaks up on someone for example and stuns him with that weird taser from his fist, or going invisible after his smoke.

Knocking guys out from across the room, that's hardcore stealth.

Also, the trailer of HR had just as little stealth elements in it and was just as violent showing Jensen killing multiple people with his various augmentations.

So fucking what? Does the fact that the trailer for the first game was full of shit makes this full of shit trailer any better?

Of course there's always the chance that it's an accurate trailer, if it is then......

I'll never get how you people get so worked up over fucking trailers. Trailers almost never represent a game accurately. Heck some do not really even depict the game properly, remember this trailer?



Their main purpose is to garner attention. Nothing more.

 

[Ulminati]

Some of you guys have a real eye for detail. All I remember from the trailer is this:

In all fairness, you could play all the DX games as actionny shooters. Rocket launcher and GEP guns in DX all the way!

 

[Alfons]

I'll never get how you people get so worked up over fucking trailers. Trailers almost never represent a game accurately.

Who the fuck got worked up? I was just responding to what yo wrote.
It's just a shitty trailer. All trailers might be shit so the standards are low, but that doesn't make this shitty trailer or any other shitty trailers any less shitty.

 

[Xenich]

I liked HR so I am lloking forward to this,if the improve their product like they did with the Missing Link it will be good

I never played Missing link and I missed my opportunity to as I refuse to buy the directors cut for obvious reasons. Though when missing link came out, I was under the impression that it dumbed the game down, destroyed the stealth game and turned it into a FPS confrontational shooter of running down corridors killing things. True? Not True, exaggerated? What?

Missing Link is the only piece of DLC that I've ever seen that wasn't a cash grab made by interns.

It is included in this, which will go on sale for $10 soon enough: http://store.steampowered.com/app/238010/

Did they patch the directors cut up to the same level that the original game was though? I read that the directors cut was a botch version rushed out for a cash grab due to the fact that they used a much older build of the game that has extensive bugs and issues.

 

[Xenich]

I liked HR so I am lloking forward to this,if the improve their product like they did with the Missing Link it will be good

I never played Missing link and I missed my opportunity to as I refuse to buy the directors cut for obvious reasons. Though when missing link came out, I was under the impression that it dumbed the game down, destroyed the stealth game and turned it into a FPS confrontational shooter of running down corridors killing things. True? Not True, exaggerated? What?

Missing Link is the only piece of DLC that I've ever seen that wasn't a cash grab made by interns.

It is included in this, which will go on sale for $10 soon enough: http://store.steampowered.com/app/238010/

Did they patch the directors cut up to the same level that the original game was though? I read that the directors cut was a botch version rushed out for a cash grab due to the fact that they used a much older build of the game that has extensive bugs and issues.

They didn't.

Well, that figures. I guess I can always look for a pirated DLC version of missing link. Pretty fucking stupid that I have to resort to that because they are unwilling to sell the DLC individually.

 

[Infinitron]

Well, that figures. I guess I can always look for a pirated DLC version of missing link. Pretty fucking stupid that I have to resort to that because they are unwilling to sell the DLC individually.

I wonder if this still works: http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/il/en/pc/games/action/deus-ex-human-revolution-the-missing-link/

 

[Gozma]

Jensen does have a similar thing going on - he seems sort of insecure around all the genius scientists he wanders among for much of the game, the ex-cop with his Criminology degree from "Phoenix University".

Was that us reading into it? I do remember thinking that was a neat angle (particularly with the Megan Reed girlfriend bit - you could almost read into the writing that she was condescending to her blue collar ex she'd depended on as a callow grad student, then ditched - but the writing never really sealed it). Did anyone ever throw it in his face? It seems like it could have been hiding in the dialog battle with Sarif.

 

[Xenich]

Well, that figures. I guess I can always look for a pirated DLC version of missing link. Pretty fucking stupid that I have to resort to that because they are unwilling to sell the DLC individually.

I wonder if this still works: http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/il/en/pc/games/action/deus-ex-human-revolution-the-missing-link/

Hmm, yeah, if so that is cool. Is this a legit site though?