CRPGAddict

[TheGreatOne]

How was he even convinced him to play a Wapanese porn game?

Rance: Hikari o Motomete (Rance -光をもとめて-?, "Rance: Quest for Hikari") was Alice Soft's debut title[3] under its present name (however, there have been eroge made by the company preceding this title under the company name "Champion Soft" [4]). and was first released in July 1989 for the MSX. It was also later released in 1990 for Windows 3.x.

 

[thesoup]

So he basically got trolled by wikipedia to play a jap eroge?

 

[TigerKnee]

Well, a grand listing of RPGs from all countries wouldn't really feel the need to separate Rance considering it IS an RPG.

Albeit the first game is a very shit one.

 

[karnak]

I like to follow the guy's blog.
But I admit that some of his concerns are a bit odd. Namely his opposition to nudity (namely female breasts) on some games.

Sure, some of display of tits on a game can be gratuitous sometimes. But, unlike what many people think, the society of medieval europe was far less prudish than our global 21st century. Of course, the church would always condemn females showing their body. But then again church would condemn almost anything that didn't involve giving it money. SJW shall always be SJW.

I find it strange that a married guy, like CRPG Addict, can have such negative reactions to the exposing of the female body. He'd just need to ask his wife and she'd tell him that women are way more relaxed concerning nudity and sexuality than us men.

 

[octavius]

He's said he dislikes the nudity because it's "stupid" (or something like that), not because he's a prude. Personally I find the chain mail bikinis (not to mention scantily clad anime lolis) far more stupid that some (refreshing) nudity. I think it would actually have looked more stupid if those Amazuli women in Wiz 6 covered their tits. I did't even notice the pixies were naked before he pointed it out...

Also, he seems to project his modern day liberal values into the Savage Empire game. I thought the game was supposed to reflect the typical characters and stereotypes of the pulp magazies era of the 1930s?

 

[Tristan]

He saiid something to the effect of feeling like certain scenes of Wiz 6 were being privy to the dev's pubescent fantasy. That's a completely different thing to being anti-boob. It's not even making some sort of value judgment - it's simply him not liking it. Same way I feel about the Witcher TBH.

 

[Tristan]

Also, whenever someone evaluates anything, they're kind of restricted to viewing it through the lens that, you know, they possess. 'Projecting your views' is quite hard to avoid.

 

[Sceptic]

Also, he seems to project his modern day liberal values into the Savage Empire game. I thought the game was supposed to reflect the typical characters and stereotypes of the pulp magazies era of the 1930s?

It does, which is what makes his criticism a bit odd. Then again I've never found pixellated drawn nudity particulary titillating in either Wiz 6 or in Daggerfall, but maybe that's just me. At least he didn't focus on it too much.

 

[Grauken]

He saiid something to the effect of feeling like certain scenes of Wiz 6 were being privy to the dev's pubescent fantasy. That's a completely different thing to being anti-boob. It's not even making some sort of value judgment - it's simply him not liking it. Same way I feel about the Witcher TBH.

His argument would make sense if the nudity in Wiz 6 had been somehow titillating. Even as a teenager in pre-internet times there were better options than some mini-sized pixel boobs and to derive things about Bradley's personality from that seems awfully retarded. Maybe he has a very low threshold for that kind of stuff.

But it's not like that thing is the worst about CRPGaddict

His scoring is utterly useless and nearly every second time he realizes that it doesn't fit the particularly game at hand, and he's still going ahead. There's a sort of low-level insanity to his method

 

[Tristan]

From the source:

"but the graphics aren't good enough for anyone--not even the most Internet-deprived teenager of 1990--to find them seriously titillating."

"I don't have any particular objection to nudity in a game, but I don't like participating in some developer's juvenile self-gratification, and that's what this game's approach to female NPCs and enemies is beginning to feel like."

 

[Tristan]

CRPGAddict's scoring is nothing more than his personal attempt to quantify how closely a game cleaves to his own notion of the ideal RPG. If what a person wants is a game in the style of M&M/Ultima/Infinity Engine, then Addict's scoring will be a guide to how well a game scratched that itch for him.

 

[Grauken]

From the source:

"but the graphics aren't good enough for anyone--not even the most Internet-deprived teenager of 1990--to find them seriously titillating."

"I don't have any particular objection to nudity in a game, but I don't like participating in some developer's juvenile self-gratification, and that's what this game's approach to female NPCs and enemies is beginning to feel like."

I didn't remember that sentence, but given that, then his opinion makes even less sense to me.

 

[karnak]

Chester (I think that's the CRPG Add's real name) is quite an intelligent guy. I think he's a college professor if I'm not mistaken. And I like to read his posts, even though I dond't agree with everything he writes there.
Nevertheless, I think that the comments to some of his posts are way, way worse than any of his original posts. I wouldn't label Chester as a Social Justice Warrior. He doesn't sound like one. But some of his readers sure seem to be hardcore SJWs.

I'm also not gonna comment anymore on the issue of "nudity in video games". This post will close my opinions on the subject, since I honestly think that it's a stupid issue.
But, yeah. I think that if a creator wants to show full frontal (or partial) nudity on its creation, then let him/her do it. You don't like it? OK, then move along and keep quiet.

Does the fact that I like to see naked women in the media makes me a "pervert"? OK, then I assume that I am one.

Oh, and sorry for showing all this gratuitous nudity here, folks.

 

[Mustawd]

I would say pic #2 definitely makes you a pervert. :D


Seriously, let's not get too caught up in what we're comparing here. While I agree that the nudity in Wiz 6 is no big deal, let's not confuse it with anything but a cheap attempt to pander to the thousands of nerdy players the game was intended for. Either that, or the guy just had bad taste. Either seems possible, but the nudity doesn't really add anything to the game that non-nudity would not.

As to the addict's own reasoning...yeah it can be pretty retarted. Just play the game dude..stop trying to meta think the shit out of it and guess the devs intentions on every minute detail.

 

[karnak]

I would say pic #2 definitely makes you a pervert. :D

(...)

As to the addict's own reasoning...yeah it can be pretty retarted. Just play the game dude..stop trying to meta think the shit out of it and guess the devs intentions on every minute detail.

Pic#2 is just a mother breasfeeding her child. There's nothing "dirty" or unnatural about it. I sucked on my mother's tits when I was a baby and I'm not going around raping women or little boys.

As for the rest of your argument: it defines exactly what should be the rule concerning every game. Just play and enjoy the experience.

Since I can't officialy Brofist I can only give you this:

 

[Tristan]

Neither Chester nor Chet are his real names. I've not seen any arguments against nudity per se in video games by either him or in the comments there.

 

[karnak]

As I stated previously, I'm not going to indulge further in this "nudity in games" crap (OK, just this last post).

But it's interesting to note that this issue is strongly related to mostly cultural (instead of personal issues). I've noticed that nudity in games never seems to raise any sort of question in Europe (excessive violence, maybe - sex, no). On the other hand, it seems that it's a very touchy subject in USA.
I can be wrong (since I haven't found any specific sales data) but I think the Witcher games have found a bigger audience in Europe than they have in the States. I've seen plenty of americans commenting on the excessive use of boobs and "sex trophies" in the game, deeming it gratuitous or stupid. I've never seen any european (apart from UK) bothering to comment on the "naughty" side of the game.

I'm not stating that such or such thinking is right or wrong. But it seems clear to me that, in America, people have more difficulty in dealing with the subject of nakedness in the media. Maybe it's related to the country's puritan origins, I don't know.

In fact I'd be really interested in hearing opinions of female gamers on the "nudity" subject. So far, after all these years, I've only managed to see comments made by male gamers. I'm really curious to know how a woman sees her gender being displayed on videogaming.
If any fellow female gamer wishes to voice her opinion I express my gratitude in advance.

 

[Tristan]

The Witcher is made by Czechs or something isn't it?

 

[karnak]

The Witcher is made by Czechs or something isn't it?

Poles.

 

[Mustawd]

In fact I'd be really interested in hearing opinions of female gamers on the "nudity" subject. So far, after all these years, I've only managed to see comments made by male gamers. I'm really curious to know how a woman sees her gender being displayed on videogaming.
If any fellow female gamer wishes to voice her opinion I express my gratitude in advance.

Not sure what female gamers would say, but I know that it'd be slightly weird to see tons of male nudity in the same fashion which we sometimes see female nudity.

And it sometimes just comes down to taste as well. Something like say, Game of Thrones, has plenty of nudity. But it's at least relevant to the context, and is somewhat geared to a mature audience. On the other hand, a game like Duke Nukem 3D can rub you the wrong way if you were to play it for the first time today.

In fact, that was some of the criticism of Duke Nukem Forever when it finally did come out; Basically that the immature jokes and overall mindset had not aged well in today's gaming environment. Not saying Wiz 6 comes to these levels, but maybe CRPGAddict's reaction is kind of similar.

That being said, it's still kind of a dumb reaction. That's like me complaining about Duke Nukem 3D not being mature enough for an adult audience. Of course it wasn't. It was never meant to be, and frankly it's dumb for me to assume so. Which goes back to the fact that Wiz 6, a game made in 1990, has boobs. Are they a bit tasteless? Does it remind us that we're playing games designed for young teenage boys? Does it break some of the immersion? Sure. But it's in the game, so just move on with your life and enjoy the game.

 

[Mustawd]

The Witcher is made by Czechs or something isn't it?

Poles Potatoes.

 

[octavius]

I guess I feel the same way about the stupid and not even remotely exciting sex scenes in Game of Thrones, that CRPG Addict feels about the nudity in Wiz 6. Or all those nude mods where the models always have silicone tits (I guess those modders have never seen a real woman naked), and the stupid cliched female "armour" that revals more than it protects.

Personally I feel that the nudity in Wiz 6 makes sense. Naked (if you look closely) pixies, and it makes sense for Mermaids and Amazulis to be topless. But of course one could always argue why these are the only (I think) females DW Bradley incuded...

 

[TigerKnee]

Naked (if you look closely) pixies, and it makes sense for Mermaids and Amazulis to be topless. But of course one could always argue why these are the only (I think) females DW Bradley incuded...

Damn furries

 

[TheGreatOne]

I'm really curious to know how a woman sees her gender being displayed on videogaming.

 

[rezaf]

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