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Game News Copper Dreams Kickstarter Update #14: Dialogue System, New UI

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Apr 24, 2017.

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    Joe and Hannah have come through and published a new Copper Dreams Kickstarter update less than two weeks after the previous one. As promised, the topic of the update is the game's dialogue, which will feature an extensive NPC disposition system that determines what they're willing to tell you. Tim Cain would approve! Here's an excerpt:

    Disposition

    NPCs react to you in 1 of 3 ways, or what we call Disposition levels (DL), ranging from giving you no tags to ask about (Closed), some (Wary), or all they have (Open). DL table is pretty simple:

    Closed: no tags to ask about
    • DL 1 - 8
    Wary: a select amount of tags from their total
    • DL 9 - 16
    Open: all available tags and situational check tags
    • DL 17 - 24
    DL is a combination of NPC and PC personality modifiers, so both player characters and NPCs can dislike or like each other automatically. Which is to say if you make or find an unsavory character, they will be the ones lowering DL when talking to NPCs. Adversely if an NPC has poor social modifiers or background advantages/disadvantages they’ll be influencing the poor DL. So in this way the player is always trying to mitigate a low DL regardless of the one causing it, as they’re the ones trying to get information.

    Modifiers for Disposition Level:
    • +/- Advantages
    • +/- Disadvantages
    • Character Sex
    • Character Ethnicity Group (in our alternative world just East-Asian or Mix)
    • Logic similarities
    Creating the DL is sort of Superficial: the game! Importantly, it allows us to have pre set ‘randomized’ NPCs in the game that the player can always understand how to react to with the rules in place.

    Disposition Example

    So for a simple conversation example the player tries talking to a non-hostile thug stationed near a dilapidated building.

    A Closed DL would have the thug tell the player to shove off.

    A Wary DL would present a piece of dialogue with limited tags, like [building] and [gang] to then be able to ask about.

    An Open DL would give the player full access to the NPC tags, like [building], [gang], [trouble] and [missing], maybe allowing him to give the player warning that there is another gang nearby who is planning another raid on the area, and a few of the other guards went missing after patrolling through the building nearby. An easy cue for the player to venture into the dilapidated building with a little bit more caution.

    In this situation, to give the player a voice, you could explore the building and head back to the thug, showing him a CiWar dog-tag of a gang member found in it to initiate the idea that you checked it out.

    From outside combat you can use the same ‘SHOW’ action for an item to anyone to initiate dialogue about the item if they know anything about it or will react to it. For instance inconspicuously navigating a hostile base under cover and showing fake identification to every guard you see for good measure. You can also initiate a conversation with any of the other rolls we talk bout below, or new ones you can train for.
    Also in the update is a look at the game's new main UI, which now allows you to control all characters without having to switch between tabbed interfaces. It was supposed to include some combat as well, but that's been postponed until the next update. Hopefully it'll come out as quickly as this one did.
     
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    Just east Asian or mixed? Why does this world hate white people?
     
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    I can't speak directly for Whalenaught, but a lot of futuristic games have more of a blended race to represent the intermingling of the races over time with worldwide travel being so prevalant starting in the 20th century, etc.
     
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    Having everybody on the streets be East Asian specifically is a very cyberpunk thing:

     
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    Then everyone would just be mixed, instead of east asian and mixed.

    Unless this game world had a cataclysm that destroyed white civilizations.

    Miscegenation is not a forgone conclusion to human mobility, you just need to look at the US or Europe, both are populated by a majority white population, despite the millions of non white individuals that have coexisted within them for periods of hundreds of years, from native americans, to african slaves, to moors, huns, turks, arabs.

    Being the future, doesnt change the basic human drive to mate with their own. Thats why migrants tend to concentrate with their own when outside their country.
     
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    I'm looking forward to learning more about how that inventory system works - it looks sexy as hell.
     
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    Don't confuse the issue with facts!
     
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    It's a game with a setting for flavor. As Infinitron pointed out having a lot of Asian influence is very Cyberpunk from way back in the 80s when Cyberpunk really took off.

    But ultimately I don't know for sure... You'd need to ask Whalenought_Joe
     
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    my face when I read this update

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    We'll work on changing the game world to be much more inclusive. :greatjob:
     
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    Can we have everyone be descended from Scythians? They need more representation in entertainment.
     
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    There's a bit at the end of this that may give an explanation (to the general question)
     
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    WHY ARE ALL THE NPCS YELLING? IT'S STRAINING TO READ IN SAME-SIZE ALL-CAPS. IT MAKES IT HARDER TO GLANCE-READ NAMES AND STUFF.

    HOWEVER ALL CAPS WORK FINE IF YOU KINDA CAPITALIZE FIRST LETTERS FOR SOME REASON. I THINK IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL (SEE IT ALSO DISTINGUISHES NAMES IN A SENTENCE). STAGLANDS WAS UNPLAYABLE CUZ OF POOR FONT/TEXT CHOICE. PLEASE NOT AGAIN. HEED MY PRO TIPS.
     
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    I hope so, or at least release a white skin character creation DLC, dont want to be mistaken for a new Bioware.
     
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    PRO TIPS HEEDED, THANK YOU. WILL CHANGE IMMINENTLY.
     
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    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SCYTHIANS?!
     
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    I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DID MOUNTED COMBAT REAL GOOD. THAT WOULD BE COOL.
     
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    http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/blade-runner
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    It is not an unrealistic possibilty that in the future surface bilogical features can be altered to improve charisma stats.
    Of course it includes the skin color, so actually where is my RGB skin color?

    Think about the following situation:
    You are an agent where nobody knows your look
    and to infiltrate a racist organisation you alter your genes.

    Yes, bilogical features are just an equipment - and clothes make man.
     
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    How about an East Asian / Scythian blend. Everyone wins!
     
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    I don't think I've ever seen/heard of a physics based inventory. Will we have to fight with the zipper if we put too much stuff in the bag?
     
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    Generally, the intelligent animals (primates, dolphins, etc) traffic a lot between groups and try to avoid mating with their own. The dumber animals don't care, which isn't surprising, because inbreeding is part of what keeps them dumb. The drive humans face to "mate with their own" is mostly due to external pressures, like a lord forcing his peasants to stay on the manor lands, or "unintended complications" like language barriers.
     
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