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CKII is released.

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Trash, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Makabb Arcane Shitposter Bethestard

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  2. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    I've started a warm-up campaign with Nuernberg on 1.1.1337. Would you say it's a good strategy to bethrothe/marry off (patrilineally or matrilineally) everyone eligible during the first days of the campaign? I usually like to keep a few people unmarried, "in reserve", so to speak. This time however I married everyone I could. I took care not to take spouses with the ambitious trait.

    Keeping the family tree slim, or letting it spread both have their advantages and disadvantages. What are your opinions?
     
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    There is only one marital strategy:

    The Kwisatz Haderach
     
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  4. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    What does this strategy consist of?
     
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  5. Commissar Draco KKKodex WCDS Commissar Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Make as many children as possible and marry them off to distant heiress; while seeking brides for your heir in same duchy/kingdom/Empire; remember you are not RP state here nor a single ruler but dynasty... so having a few lands ruled by your relatives can be game saving when your main line is destroyed by plague or made destitute by foreign invasion. Breeding some super human is funny but A) He is not invulnerable and game with plagues can be brutal and B) its not game about map painting. Just avoid the perks which made your vassal disloyal and you can make Austria/HRE great again with medicare on average rulers. Game is not that hard unless you have misfortune to rule some duchy standing in the way of Turks and such as regular Jihad often gives you option to convert to retain lands (and yes now it can be fake conversation like one Bosniak Nobility did in XIV century).
     
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  6. TheEntitledOne Arcane

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    It consists basically in hunting for candiates with inheritable traits and then pray that the RGN God doesnt fuck you over anyway.
     
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    So, what I usually do.

    What actually worked out very well was how I kept one of my sisters unmarried, "in case of an emergency". I had to decline one offer from some Hansa bigshot, and in a few months the bigshot returned, this time with an offer of 250 gold dowry. This was just what I needed in order to fulfill my ambition to Build a War Chest, so it got me another +10% tax for 3 years. Money follows money.
     
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  8. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Coming back to Crusader Kings II after a year or so was like a crash course in development insanity. Who knew the new and improved 'game rules' window was not so much a convenience but a cautionary warning.

    Three hundred years into my jewish Abyssinian Empire game, I've finally converted most of the counties I own and rebuilt the Third Temple. I thought the reason why a bunch of heretics would surface now and again had something to do all the heretics within the Empire. Not so. Turns out half the Sunni Caliphate was secretly Shia. The Ummayads were Catholics all along and so was the Byzantine Empire. The Holy Roman Empire went heretic back and forth and I'm pretty sure the AI Pope is desperately trying to become a Jew.

    Quit when my perfect little Merchant Republic vassal went Sunni and wouldn't go back. Got tired of revoking half of my domain due to the Sunni psy-ops.

    Fucking hell.
     
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  9. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Classic example of the paradox problem of "if the AI has a button to push, it can either never push it or push it constantly". Seducers would seduce every available female in the realm, schemers would try to kidnap anyone and everyone, and cults constantly spam people in your realm to secretly convert until eventually RNG says they accept.
     
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  10. IDtenT Contact me for a good time Patron

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    It's almost like real life.
     
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  11. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Totally different. Rational people understand risk, paradox AIs just work on the logic of "as soon as a decision can be taken, take it". Programming some basic intelligence to tell the AI when something is a good idea to do is much harder than just setting "AI_will_take = 1 or 0", so Paradox doesn't do it.
     
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    Stupid me. After a year behind the closed fortress gates, while the Black Death raged, I opened them again to prevent getting the Depressed trait. In a year's time much of my family had died of plague as a result. Yet myself and my three oldest children (successors, gavelkind) survived. I was even cured once by my brother who was also the court doctor.

    The second time I got ill, I used the special response provided by my having the "Brave" trait, asking my brother to try some innovatove cure. I thought answers to events provided by traits always have better outcomes, lol. It turned out that it's a lottery and the healing method my brother tried was very bad. I died soon after. Now his three sons each rule one of the three counties I had manged to collect under my control, but I never managed to get a ducal title for Bavaria, so the character I'm playin as is again down to one county.

    Later, the emperor died of old age, and the title Duke of Bavaria passed to dead character's third son, so my 17 y.o. character is now subordinate to his 7 y.o. brother who is his duke. I guess this is still better than being a count directly subordinated to the emperor.
     
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  13. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Anyone has a direct download link to the mod When the Word Stopped Making Sense/WTWSMS?

    I'm playing Zoroastrian right now and I have realized a lot the value of having a big dinasty that breeds a lot. Unlike other religions you don't get the luxury of simply calling people from your religion out of relsewhere, so you have to breed your own good conseillors.
    Some advantages:
    - You can breed your own super-concillors, not to mention you can get foreigners with good congenital traits to come in and marry them off to your people to make their offspring superior, then later marry the best subjects into your direct line. Note: Quick and Genius now aparently conflict, so one diminishes the other's likehood.
    - You can marry your daughters and sons (mainly daughters) off for Non-Agression Pacts and Alliances with foreign kings
    - You can marry your daughters to your vassals to get relation bonuses and stop them with NAPs from joining factions.
    - One nice trick if you have agnatic-cognatic or the such, is to find some heir with fat claims angry at daddy or something, invite him to court, matrilinearily marry him to your daughters, then push his claim or kill all the other heirs until he rises to power. Because his marriage is on the mother's line, all his sons will be of your dinasty not his. If his title is inferior, then you can simply land him and push his claim andi inherit his land.

    Then you have to think between your law. The good thing about Salic Law is that your daughters are pure alliance fodder and you won't ever have foreign rulers coming for you with claims. On the other hand, no female rulers in case you have no male heirs.

    When I played Celtic Tanistry as Britanny, I kept people of my dynasty landless, to avoid one of them becoming a powerful dangerous Tanist and getting my vassals to vote for them. On one hand, my dinasty ended up with a lot of land in France, but that backfired when my dinasty almost died off because I wans't paying attention to breeding

    Did you get the latest patch?

    Things are better than the insanity of before.
     
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    The most interesting games i have are Paulician- Zoro games - they tend to work together against the major powers
     
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  15. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    To be fair, I stopped buying DLCs back in Charlemagne so I can't hunt for Secret Societies. But from the looks of it neither will the AI. First time the Ummayads turned Catholic and my humble King of Carthage helped them against a Sunni rebellion was awesome. The fifth wasn't so awesome.

    Be me. Restore Zoroastrian Persia. Never marry within the family. The next three generations under Primogeniture are inbred.

    Legit as fuck.

    Also my first son the last three playthroughs was a spawn of satan. I feel like the game is trying to tell me something.

    ALL YOUR MALE KIDS DYING IS GREAT WHEN YOU ARE A MERCHANT I GOTTA SAY.

    Back to my Irish Cathar Great Heathen Army.
     
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    I've never had spawn of Satan happen. It sort of makes me sad seeing all the crazy things it has led to.
     
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  17. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Wait what, without M&M you can have societes being on the map without being able to be part of them or hunt them? Damn, that's some retarded design.

    LOL!
    Are you sure you aren't getting cucked over and over by your relatives?
    I'm surprised you're getting inbred, actually. Zoroastrians and Messalians get the hidden "Divine Blood" modifier, which gives -5x chance to get the inbred trait, but +5x chance to get the Lunatic trait instead. I don't remember getting inbred in my zoro games, and I inbreed as often as I can, often having my wife and most of my concunbines be relatives, generally sisters and nieces (or nice-looking prisioners with good stats).

    I see a lot of lunatics within my zoro dinasty, and I know this because I often have to kindly tell them not to kill my family. Crazy fucks.

    I exiled then killed my last spawn of Satan daughter, because she was killing my male heirs. Fucking hell, that messed up my strategy
     
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  18. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    More like high stewardship.

    eh.

    The King might be the only person trying his damndest to save the dynasty from going full retard, yes.

    Yeah, kill me.

    I did that the first time, but then the second Spawn of Satan got exorcized in Rome. Meaning you've got a nearly immortal god who can materialize french nannies and ancient witches at will. Very nearly converted to Zoroastrianism because why the fuck not at that point.

    :positive:

    More in Delterius' adventures in CK2:

    the Merchant Republic of Cathar Ireland has waged so many Holy Wars across the Isles that Catholicism is now a heresy of Waldensian. Damn you HRE.

    My Genius + Attractive Son married a Genius girl from West Francia. When I become him I realize he's gay and she's chaste.
     
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  19. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Man, you tell me. I have to tell these retards to BREED, damnit. I need more commanders and good stewards.

    Wait, you can do that?!
     
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  20. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yep!
     
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  21. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    How can I learn this power?
     
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  22. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Its a really rare event that for some reason always happens to me when I'm on pilgrimage. So... cross yer fingers!
     
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  23. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    I have to say, I think the East will get a lot more interesting now. Persia having smaller Kingdoms probably means more interesting eastern politics, perhaps Zoroastrians have a chance now (at least in Old Gods start, Zoros in Charlemagne are weirdly in far worst straits).
    Khuttal and Fergana being their own duchies is interesting, now it means that any kingdom in the region will be far stronger and have more civil trouble. Also, more complex Tarim Basim rather than it being the obligatory "Kill weak-ass Tocharian Buddhists to get more land to Kill Muslims" free conquest land, especially when one considers that with Tibet included, Buddhists will become far stronger now, so you can't just beat on punny-ass Budhists anymore.

    If I remember right, I think Tibet is unified in Charlie start, they were actually quite strong then, to the point they had recently sacked the Chinese capital a few years ago, so its going to be an interesting new player.

    Is Afghanistan too small on this map or its just me?

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    One thing I didn't like: Where the hell is Oman? It has been a major center of Ibadism since the 8th century and from what I know, I think a Kingdom of Oman title would be deserved. As it is, there's an huge Yemen but no Oman. Weird.
     
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    Afghanistan might be a tad on the small side there in terms of geography, though one has to bear in mind that the kingdom de jures don't strictly correspond to modern borders. I mean, parts of Sistan and Khorasan there would be a part of modern Afghanistan.
     
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    Could be, but Kabulistan/Afghanistan/Bactia is pretty close to being the modern borders anyway. Feels like this is going to screw over the Zunists even more than they already are screwed.

    Question: Is tehre any point to playing the marriage game with certain religions that can just Holy War pretty much everyone on sight, like heresies, or Zoros?

    That offmap empire mechanic is very cool, I could modders getting some serious mileage out of it.
     
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